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1 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Searcher56 | 100592 | ||
Scripture ... Luke 23:39-43 ... shalor, The Baptism Regenerational camp has another answer ... but the TRUTH is that this man was saved and wasn't baptized ... nor did he do any works. Searcher PS Read the other threads for this verse |
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2 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Ken hepting | 100628 | ||
[The Baptism Regenerational camp has another answer ... but the TRUTH is that this man was saved and wasn't baptized ... nor did he do any works. Searcher] I believe this also but what does it say about baptism? If one believes baptism [part of that which] saves them, which one is it? |
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3 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Searcher56 | 100632 | ||
I believe baptism is not needed to be saved ... but we should be baptized ... because it is a command (Matt 28:18-20) | ||||||
4 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Ken hepting | 100639 | ||
I believe as you do Searcher, but one baptsm IS necessary. I want you to know which one is. If I tell you you may might forget...:0) All the other "baptisms" are a result of this one. | ||||||
5 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Searcher56 | 100641 | ||
When we are saved we are baptized by the Holy Spirit, inwardly ... it is automatic (Romans 6) ... then we have the option of the outward baptism. | ||||||
6 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Ken hepting | 100663 | ||
[When we are saved we are baptized by the Holy Spirit, inwardly ... it is automatic (Romans 6) ... then we have the option of the outward baptism.] I'd have an easier time of this if you said we received Christ and Him by means of the Holy Spirit at the time of new birth; Our being born again. [See John 20.22] But that isn't a baptism into something but a receiving of a divine nature. Jesus then baptises us with the Holy Spirit per Acts [2] for the purpose of becoming His Church. Are we baptised into the Body of Christ at the new birth? I believe so but Paul in Romans 6 links the two as normal Christian experiences. The first one as a necessity to being a part Christ and the second unto the ability to becoming a son. See: John 1:12 (NASB-U) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, Unfortuately not all seek to become...Only to be saved. |
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7 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | srbaegon | 100665 | ||
Hello Ken, Searcher is correct. To add to the Scriptural support I would give: 1 Cor. 12:13 (ESV) For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body? Jews or Greeks, slaves or free?and all were made to drink of one Spirit. We were all baptized. It is completed. Not one is left out. Your interpretation of John 1:12 as a gradual process from belief to sonship is invalid. Steve |
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8 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Ken hepting | 100680 | ||
[We were all baptized. It is completed. Not one is left out. Your interpretation of John 1:12 as a gradual process from belief to sonship is invalid.] Nope..From glory to Glory He changes us. 2 Cor. 3:18 (KJV) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. "When any person is converted to God, then the veil of ignorance is taken away. The condition of those who enjoy and believe the gospel is happy, for the heart is set at liberty to run the ways of God’s commandments. They have light, and with open face they behold the glory of the Lord. Christians should prize and improve these privileges. We should not rest contented without knowing the transforming power of the gospel, by the working of the Spirit, bringing us to seek to be like the temper and tendency of the glorious gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and into union with Him."....Matt. Henry Notice Henry is saying "when a person is converted"...Not just saved. A saved person is made innocent. Now he must be made pure. Surely his theology is ok in your estemation? I think you are invalid, Steve. You don't know what imputation and impartation mean. If you do then you should see that one is immediate and the other as you can handle it. |
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9 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Hank | 100689 | ||
Ken hepting - Your quote of Matthew Henry is correct. He said, "When a person is converted to God, then the veil of ignorance is taken away." Matthew Henry did not add "...not just saved." You did. What do you think Matthew Henry meant when he said "converted?" A few clear sentences will do better than a long string of murky ones, Ken, if you please. --Hank | ||||||
10 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Ken hepting | 100693 | ||
That's right, I did. That's how I read him in an objective way. You read him your way. I think I'm right and have proven it so in my own life. [What do you think Matthew Henry meant when he said "converted?" A few clear sentences will do better than a long string of murky ones, Ken, if you please. --Hank] I'll do my best, Hank. Converted can't mean "just saved" because too many "saved" aren't. Is that deep enough not to be "murky"? Too many "saved people" who claim to be His Church are going to be in for rude awakening at Rapture time. It might well be the "Greatest Awakening". If you still think I'm wrong about that consider that Jesus is coming for Church without "spot or wrinkle".....Know any? |
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