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1 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | JCrichton | 137814 | ||
"I would like to narrow our discussions to one or two topics and search the scriptures to prove our point." Hi, Steve! I think that your suggestion is a point of excellence! In-depth study of Scripture can yield much... Though I must still disagree with the conclusions you've drawn on God's complete control of existence: "In verse 10 even Job admitted that good and evil come from the hand of God." From your reasoning we must all believe that Peter is Satan since it is Scripturally stated by Jesus: But he turned and said to Peter, 'Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle in my path, because you are thinking not as God thinks but as human beings do.' (Matthew 16:23) Clearly, Jesus does not confuse Peter with Satan... it is simply a matter of language: Peter is holding on to human intellect and thinks that by protecting Jesus from an untimely end he is serving His Lord! Jesus admonishes his lack of understanding and warns him that he is behaving not according to God but according to Satan! Again, Scripture supports the notion that Yahweh lied to Adam and Eve and that the Ancient Serpent told them the truth! (Genesis 3:1-16; and 5:5) The truth is that Adam did die and he took all of us with him! Yet, if we use only the Scripture cited (Genesis 3:1-16 and 5:5) we can come to the wrong conclusion that God lied and that Satan told the truth--we know from Jesus that Satan is a liar, the fathe of all lies; and we know from God's Word that He is Truth! God Bless! Angel |
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2 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137969 | ||
Hello Angel, Thanks again for your reply. I was trying to narrow our discussion to one point and that is does God lead us into temptation. The scriptures in Job clearly say that He does through Satan. If you would like to comment on the one subject, “Does God lead us into temptation” and provide scriptures that support your position I would like to hear from you. I’m sorry but I fail to see where Jesus calling Peter Satan has anything to do with our discussion. When you look at Jesus further discussions about Peter and Satan in Luke 22:31 "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you[1] as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers." Satan asked to sift Peter. Ask who? God. Satan asks God to sift all of us. God either gives his permission or tells Satan no. This is the relationship between God and Satan. Satan asks who to temp and God gives His permission. God does not do the tempting, Satan does with God’s permission. Notice what Jesus did when Satan asked God to tempt Peter, “But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail.” Jesus had to pray for Peter’s faith. This is where we come in when God allows Satan to tempt us, we decide to give in to the temptation or to say no to Satan. That is the part we play. We are in control of the situation when we are tempted by Satan. We have the choice of resisting, as the scripture says, or giving in to it. James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. How does God lead us into temptation? By giving permission to Satan to tempt us. God has the control. Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when eat of it you will surely die." Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." From looking at the scriptures you cited in genesis I believe that God told them that they would die if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They ate of the fruit and they died. Satan told a lie by saying they would not surely die. When you read those scriptures, how can anyone reach a conclusion that God lied? I can’t understand the point you are making. Please notice the last part of Satan’s statement, “Knowing good and evil.” Up till that time Adam and Eve only knew the goodness of God. After their temptation by Satan, similar to how Satan tempted Job and Jesus, they knew evil. Evil comes from Satan but with God’s directing as shown in the book of Job. God tried to protect them from evil by telling them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but they gave in to the temptation and became knowledgeable of evil. And with that knowledge came death. Just like we today give in to the temptations of Satan. One last point, are you saying that you do not believe the scripture in Job2:10 that says good and evil come from the hand of God. After the example given to us in the book of Job can you say that Satan is in control of all the evil and not God. You are saying that Satan acts on his own and is in control of this earth and not God? God’s will be done. Steve |
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3 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | JCrichton | 138022 | ||
Hi, Steve! We have two very distinct perspective of looking at God and Scripture... you ask me to reply to your conception that God leads us to temptation and that God creates evil... I have! I have offered one example of Scripture after another... you simply just do not see it! If you go back to my very first post on this particular thread and read through the final one (previous to this reply) you will find that my statements are based on Scripture... I will breakdown for you the passage on Peter being called Satan: In his quintessential spontaneity Peter jumps in on Jesus' remark and he replies not with words conforming to God's Will but words, though with good intentions, in his finite human understanding--words that would serve Satan's purpose rather than God's... Jesus admonishes Peter and He calls him Satan! This of course is Scriptural... not only that but they are Jesus' own words! The fact that Peter is called Satan by Jesus in this particular Scriptural passage does not mean that Peter is Satan or that Jesus has somehow mistaken Peter for Satan... My attempt was to prove to you that Scripture does have a particular language which can be confusing if taken out of context or if interpreted apart from the all other Scriptural text. I cannot make any simpler... I cannot offer any enlightenment aside from Scripture... Since you will not see beyond your position, and I will not be able to offer any Scripture that will not be ignore or misinterpreted, I see no point in a continuance of this thread. God Bless! Angel |
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4 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 138036 | ||
Hello Angel, Your right, I do not see how you can come to the conclusions you have with the scriptures you have used to prove your point. And you will not see how I came to the conclusions I came to with the scriptures I used. God must deal with both of us I'm afraid in His own way. Believe me when I say a appreciate your replies. The Bible is a source of never ending discovery and I believe all questions can be answered within its covers. God's will be done. Steve |
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