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1 | Making Light of Sin | Jer 8:11 | DocTrinsograce | 237087 | ||
"As stewards of the gospel of Jesus Christ, we do no service to men by making light of sin, skirting around the issue, or avoiding it altogether. Men have only one problem: they are under the wrath of God because of their sin. To deny this is to deny one of the most foundational doctrines of Christianity. It is not unloving to tell men that they are sinners, but it is the grossest form of immorality not to tell them! In fact, God declares that their blood will be on our hands if we do not warn them of their sin and the coming judgment. To seek to preach the gospel without making sin an issue is like trying to heal the brokenness of people superficially, saying, 'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace." --Paul Washer | ||||||
2 | Making Light of Sin | Jer 8:11 | Jesusfriend | 237092 | ||
I would like to bring the attention of the reader to the fact that Jeremiah is talking about God's people, not some worldly pagans who make sport of mocking God. In fact those who heal only lightly are the leaders of the church at the time, the shepherds of the flock. We as Christians are to stand firm as a rock against these false teachers, especially the ones who say that when we are "saved we can sin but it will be forgiven before we actually commit it. And also those who say that God's TEN commandments are "nailed to the cross". Why would something God wrote with His finger be "nailed to the cross". The "laws contained in ordinances" were what was "nailed to the cross". The laws that Moses wrote in a book, not those written by God Himself. There was a special place for the "book" of the law which Moses wrote. Deuteronomy 31:26 tells us: "Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee." Yes God gave Moses the "ceremonial law" which has all the information they needed at the time to survive the wilderness and to lead the people to Jesus through the sanctuary, until the veil was torn from top to bottom, then the sanctuary service was no longer needed, neither was the rules and ordinances that were given for their safe plight through 40 years of wilderness. 2 John tells us that the "law" that we are to obey is the one that we have had from the beginning, that we follow after His commandments, and His commandments are not grievous. Jesus also came to show man that the TEN commandments can be obeyed. Moses proved it, Daniel proved it, and a host of other examples in the bible. Anyone who says man can never stop sinning is a liar from the devil. | ||||||
3 | Making Light of Sin | Jer 8:11 | DocTrinsograce | 237094 | ||
Dear friend, Your post makes me mindful of something I read about Charles Haddon Spurgeon (1834-1892): Once a young Spurgeon heard a visiting preacher declare the teaching of sinless perfectionism, from the pulpit. Along with the explanation, the preacher demurely, and repeatedly, claimed that he himself had achieved this holy status. The idea was fascinating to Spurgeon. If this doctrine were true, it was worthy of diligent study and personal application. Imagine being perfectly righteous in thought, word, deed, and nature! Imagine never sinning either by comission or omission! Imagine loving God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, with all your mind! If nothing else, just imagine living in complete compliance with that great command! Spurgeon was excited but, being a thoroughly canny individual, needed to verify this teaching. The next morning Spurgeon went to see the preacher at his hotel. Spurgeon found him dressed for the day, and sitting at breakfast. He approached the table where the preacher was eating, and -- without a word of explanation -- poured an entire pitcher of milk on the man's head. Spurgeon was disappointed to report that the theology of the visiting preacher failed the test. I have not authenticated this anecdote, but something I do know is that sinless perfectionism -- also known as moral perfectionism or holiness doctrine (not to be confused with Pentecostalism) -- is not a teaching held by Christendom at large. It's first appearance in church history came from John Wesley ("A Plain Account of Christian Perfection" published in 1767). Regardless of its origins, sinless perfectionism is singularly held to by a very small percentage of Protestants. Therefore, those that hold to that position represent a very tiny fraction of Forum participants. Indeed, I can think of only one long-time Forum member who believes in sinless perfectionism. Nonetheless, I am certain that he would not have the temerity to condemn the rest of us as "liars from the devil" due to our differing position on the view. On the contrary, he is man of exceptional amicability. Ours is a Forum comprised of diverse Bible believers. Our host, the Lockman Foundation, has spelled out the basis by which we enjoy the benefits of using our Forum accounts. (See the Terms of Use.) In that spirit we welcome you to our diversity. It is an easy thing to affably tolerate someone coming into our midst and saying to most of us "Raka!" (Matthew 5:22). But you should be encouraged to demonstrate your position in more than just words; e.g., at least honor the terms as spelled out by our gracious host. This would prompt us all to consider the sagacity and Biblical basis of the position, rather than to quickly relegate it to the same category as Spurgeon's itinerant preacher. In Him, Doc |
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4 | Making Light of Sin | Jer 8:11 | Jesusfriend | 237100 | ||
Doc, I don't know how you came to that conclusion reading my post. The bible, which all Christians should take as the only means of true salvation is the only place I get my information. You will very rarely hear me quoting anybody but scripture. I have spent my life studying the bible. I have read many famous Christian authors to my utter disappointment, but on the other hand reading Christian authors gives one the assurance that following man will not lead us to God. I am not saying that reading other Christian writings outside the bible are bad, BUT! we must have our priorities straight and match every word we read about God to His loving word, not the other way around. There are many places in scripture where we are admonished to be perfect, not in a man made sense of "I will sin until I die and still be 'saved'", but in a "he that sinneth is of the devil". I have one question for you sir, When you ask for forgiveness from God during a whole night of praying on your knees before God, or even just a short prayer of forgiveness, how many sins do you have left? Are you not sinless at that moment, if you say you are not sinless at that moment you do not believe Jesus promises and therefore your faith is presumption which has been handed down by man and not God's word. Spurgeon was a great author, but he along with the majority of professors of Christianity are in great error on the most important subject for any Christian, which is "what must I do to be 'saved'". It matters not who preaches the error, it is still error. Jesus did say that the majority of Christians will be lost, and this is the reason. There is nowhere in the bible that tells me I can not ever stop sinning, but it does say that if I do live without sinning and brag about it then I am sinning. I will never say that I am sinless, because a Christians life is all about others not self. When self is dead, which is what baptism is all about, there is no sin. There is no half death either. Most people who are baptised are burried alive, and come out of the water the same as they went in. The thought that we can never overcome all sin in our lives is from the devil not God nor His word. Please read all the overcome verses in Revelation. What must we overcome to receive these blessings? a couple sins? or all sin in our lives. Remember only few followed Jesus when He was alive, and He promised that only few will be "saved". |
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5 | Making Light of Sin | Jer 8:11 | DocTrinsograce | 237101 | ||
Hello, friend... So many faulty presuppositions here, I scarce know where to begin. I guess I will just deal with a couple major ones, for the sake of the many silent readers. Because some have fallen into the left hand ditch of an unbiblical libertinism does not require a leap into the right hand ditch of an unbiblical legalism. An unbiblical error is still an error. When people abuse a truth, it has utterly no impact on the validity of the truth. If not, every truth would stand in jeopardy! All religions in the world are about man finding ways to connect to God. Christianity is the opposite: It is God redeeming a people for Himself who cannot help themselves (Titus 2:11-14). Nothing we do can make God love us more or love us less. Yes, we are saved by works, but not human works. God's own work. Look back through all those "overcome" verses you cited -- look even outside of Revelation. Who is doing the overcoming? People??? I trow not! A few years ago I had the pleasure of hearing Conrad Mbewe speak. Many others over the centuries have expressed the same thing, but I think that Pastor Conrad says it in a very clear fashion for the modern ear. He said, "I think that the number one principle in seeing through the subtlety of error is learning to handle truth in its biblical context. As someone has said, 'A text without a context is a pretext.' -- it is a lie! It is often pretty clear to any discerning mind when a text has been wrested our of its comfortable context in order to say what someone else wants it to say. When I listen to many preachers today and they state something which makes my hair stand on end, I will often wait for them to prove it from the Bible. I often find that all I need to do is dig around the verses they would have quoted and I find that there has been a gross misapplication of Scripture. The Holy Spirit was saying one thing when He inspired the sacred writer, and the preacher is saying something totally different. "When the context is not able to help, the second principle is that obscure passages of the Bible must be interpreted by those passages of the Bible that are more perspicuous. In other words, Scripture does not contradict itself since its primary author is the Holy Spirit. So, if a false teacher quotes Scripture to suit his situation but it contradicts the clear teaching of another passage of the Bible, it should send all the warning signals that you are in danger and ought to tread carefully. Is that not how the Lord Jesus handled Satan when he tempted Him using the Scriptures in Matthew 4? Jesus simply referred to other Scriptures that were clearly being violated by the meaning that Satan was putting upon the Scriptures he was quoting. We should do the same!" See post #158836. In Him, Doc |
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