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1 | 2 | 1 Chr 21:1 | pepper2 | 76317 | ||
In 2Samuel chapter 24 verse 1"Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah." In 1 Chronicles chapter 21 verse 1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited DAvid to take a census of Israel." Why does one say the Lord and the other Satan?? | ||||||
2 | 2 | 1 Chr 21:1 | Ray | 76416 | ||
Hi pepper2, Welcome to the forum. I don't mind talking about the subject again and here with you. But I would have you look at it with the idea of looking at the personal pronouns. As you have said, 1 Chronicles attributes Satan as provoking David to number Israel. And in seeming contradiction 2 Samuel says that "he [KJ], "He [NKJ], moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah." So you are asking which account is correct? I think that it is a good question for I do not believe that it can be both ways. I believe that Satan moved David to number Israel just as 1 Chronicles says. But I believe that there is no contradiction if you understand the pronouns correctly for 2 Samuel 24:1-3. 1) I go with the NASB version for 2 Samuel 24:1. That version has instead of the "he, or He [NKJ]" the use of the pronoun "it". This is saying that it was not the Lord, but rather David's perception of the "anger" of the Lord that caused him to number the people. Satan provoked David perhaps by using self-righteousness, pride, taking on the vengeance that is the Lord's alone, or perhaps causing David to judge or find fault with the Lord's servants. The use of the "it" takes away to my mind the contradiction. God did not tell David to number Israel but Satan provoked him to "see who is on the Lord's side". I believe that they came up with different numbers, just as we would come up with different numbers if we counted the people that we thought were Christians today. 2) I believe that another look at pronouns could give an explanation of why this numbering was a sin. Not only was it an indication of the judgmental attitude of David; I believe that it shows David's pride. I would have you look at the pronouns for 2 Samuel 24:3. It talks of "the Lord your God add to the people". It talks of "my lord the king", and again "my lord the king". Joab is saying "why does my lord the king delight in this thing?" Next, look at the pronouns in 1 Chronicles 21:3. "May the Lord add to His people", "my lord the king", again, "my lord the king", and also the question, "Are they not all my lord's servants?" This additional question is where I see the sin and pride of David. For I submit to you all that this should read with an upper-case pronoun. "Are they not all my Lord"s servants?" In other words, Joab is saying, "David, don't go thinking more highly of yourself than you ought to think. These are not your people and you are not their Judge." Or, "Why are you [and Satan] seeing how many people you can find guilty? 3) For application to our lives I would say that we should be servants of Christ. Not people of this church or that minister to be counted as believing in this or that. We are servants of Christ and that is what we boast in. And we boast in our weaknesses so that Satan can not buffet us. We know we are sinners and we will not exalt ourselves. But with God's grace we have the power of Christ dwelling in us. 2 Cor 12:9 From the heart, Ray |
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3 | 2 | 1 Chr 21:1 | pepper2 | 76564 | ||
Thank you Ray, this is what I was thinking but just not sure. This is my first time on any kind of web site and really not sure how to use it. I study the Bible daily, and each day I find I am understanding more and more. Everyone here seems so knowledgable and I have so much to learn. Thank you again, In Christ's Love, Pepper2 |
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