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741 | The Trinity and being tormented forever | Rev 14:9 | mark d seyler | 161072 | ||
Hi Towanda, Regarding eternal torment, this is quoted from a post I wrote to someone asking the same question: The common expression of "forever and ever", is (transliterated): Tous aionas (accusative plural) ton aionon (genitive plural). This is literally translated "to the ages of the ages". Aion, or "age" comes from the root "aei", meaning continued duration: "always", or "ever". Examples are 1 Peter 3:15 "be ready always to give an answer", and Acts 7:51 "ye do always resist the Holy Spirit." This is the phase used to describe God's eternal nature: Re 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore (tous aionas ton aionon), Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Rev 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever (tous aionas ton aionon), This is the same phrase used to describe the torment of those who worship the beast: Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever (tous aionas ton aionon): and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. This is also what describes the torment of the devil, the antichrist, and the false prophet: Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever (tous aionas ton aionon). Torment, from "basanismos", also appears in Rev 9:5, in the plague of "locusts" from the pit. They are given power to torment 5 months. During this time, people will not be able to die. This torment is not anihilation. It is torment. In the same way, the unredeemed will experience everlasting punishment. Regarding Matt 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell," the word translated "destroy" is from the Greek "apollumi". It is variously translated as perish, destroy, lose, and to be lost. Again going to Thayer's Lexicon, he defines this as "to destroy, to render useless, to kill, to perish, to be lost, to be ruined, destroyed." This is the word used in Luke 15:4 of a lost sheep. It is used in Luke 15:8 of a lost coin. It is used in Luke 15:24 of the prodigal son "he was lost, and is found." From these examples we know that apollumi is not neccessarily speaking of complete and total destruction, since in each of these instances that which was "apollumi - lost" was later found. As much as I would like to think that those who reject Jesus will one day no longer exist, will no longer be aware of the agonizing consequence of their choice, I do not believe that is what the Bible teaches. Just as the redeemed experience everlasting life, the unredeemed experience everlasting punishment. As the LORD lives forever and ever, so also the smoke of the torment of the unredeemed ascends forever and ever. There is much more to this discussion. If you wish to read many objections to the doctrine of eternal torment, and answers to those objections, the entire thread begins with post 156647, and especially in the posts between myself and SBoone. I hope this helps! If you need more information, let me know. Love in Christ, Mark |
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742 | The Trinity and being tormented forever | Rev 14:9 | mark d seyler | 161079 | ||
Hi Towanda, Regarding the Trinity, or the triune nature of God, I would like to again direct you to the archives, and esp. to a post written by CDBJ, 73314. Another pair of posts I recommend to you were written by Tim Moran, 76339 and 76344. These were written specifically regarding the impact of the doctrine of the Trinity on the JW teaching. And I'd like to step up on my soapbox for a moment, to say to everyone, there is an amazing amount of information and good teaching in the archives! As always, check it out according to scripture, but I encourage everyone when you have a question, try the search function. If you don't find what you are looking for, please ask. We don't want anyone going away hungry! :-) Love in Christ, Mark |
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743 | The Trinity and being tormented forever | Rev 14:9 | mark d seyler | 161254 | ||
Hi Towanda, Here is some information on the triune nature of God. I hope you find this useful. - Mark Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning, Elohim. . .” Elohim is the plural form for “God”, which is a very strange way to speak of Him. In Deuteronomy 6:4 we read “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.” In Hebrew, this is “YHWH Elohim, YHWH echad” – echad means to be unified. First used in Genesis 1:4 “and there was evening, and there was morning, one day” – a day made of two parts that were unified. Echad is used of one object or person, but is also used of compound unities, such as the first day. Echad is used of the married couple “the two shall become one (echad) flesh” “YHWH Elohim (Plural God) YHWH unified” This leads us to the doctrine called The Trinity, or Triune God. God identifies Himself as YHWH, but also is called the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these are separate and distinct persons, each are God, and yet we know the “LORD is One.” Perhaps the clearest picture of our Triune God is at the baptism of Jesus. Matthew 3:16 “And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 2 Samuel 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us). Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit Each are called God: Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Each acts in the same capacities as God: Creating: Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? Colossians 1:16 (of Jesus) For by him were all things created, Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. Psalm 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created. John 1:3 (of Jesus) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Gives to us eternal life: Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Raised Jesus from the dead: 1 Corinthians 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit: Everywhere at once (omnipresent): Jereriah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. Ephesians 1:23 (of Jesus) Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. Psalm 139:7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Saves us: 2 Thessalonians 2:13 God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Titus 3:5-6 according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. So we find in the scripture that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are each individuals, each are God, and that there is only One God. There are many ways people use to try to describe or understand this doctrine (teaching) of the Trinity, all fall short. |
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744 | is the mark of the Beast in our minds? | Rev 14:9 | mark d seyler | 169658 | ||
The Bible gives no indication that the mark of the beast is symbolic for anything else, nor does it offer any interpretation were it to be symbolic, therefore, since the Bible presents this mark as, in fact, a mark on the right hand or forehead, I believe it will be an actual mark on the actual right hand or actual forehead. If Mr. Murray choses to allegorize what the Bible presents as literal, then he is in disagreement with the Scripture. I am not familiar with his teaching, but teaching verse by verse means nothing if he is not teaching what the verses actually say. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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745 | How do you come to your conclusion of pe | Rev 17:10 | mark d seyler | 181862 | ||
Hi Brian, I am the same as you in that I also wish to know and understand all that can be known and understood about the Bible. While I think that it is possible John was speaking in the same manner as Daniel in personifying kingdoms, the fact remains that while Daniel was using symbolic language that could be applied however the originator of the symbol (God) intended, and then explained these symbols using words of both individuals and corporate groups (kings and kingdoms), John used plain language identifying kings, without additional explanation that these kings were actually kingdoms. I would need to see the textual basis for interpreting "kings" as "kingdoms" before becoming dogmatic about it. The fact that someone can put together a list of empires that seems to fit the bill does not carry the same weight as Inspired Scripture, nor does another's inability to compile such a list of persons. If it's kingdoms, it kingdoms, no matter whether or not someone can, correctly or incorrectly, name 7 kingdoms, and by the same token, if its kings, its kings, regardless of someone's ability or inability to name them. Not to mention, each of those empires Seiss names had a ruler who displayed particular characteristics that could qualify them for this dubious honor. Nero, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Hamon (by virtue of the signet), Pharoah at the time of the exodus, Nimrod (I'm not as familiar with the Assyrian rulers, although given their extreme brutality, I'm certain it came from somewhere!) One that was not yet at John's time, that would continue for a short time may have been Hitler. These rulers displayed insane animosity towards the people of God, as well as extreme pride, again to the point of insanity. Personally, I think these 7, and the eighth, are specific rulers with a particular agenda against God's people. Love in Christ, Mark |
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746 | HOW MANY KINGS | Rev 19:16 | mark d seyler | 177886 | ||
Hi jlmrr2000, Several times the Bible refers to "kings" of certain areas without actually naming them or telling their number, so it is impossible to really say. Of course, Jesus is named King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. Love in Christ, Mark |
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747 | will there be anouther angel rebellion | Rev 20:10 | mark d seyler | 177788 | ||
Hi oneratliff, The Bible does not, to my knowledge, specifically say that there will not be another angellic rebellion. But neither does it say there will be. But this we do know - that no such possible rebellion would have the same affect on mankind as the current one has had. Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. Mankind, redeemed, restored, will no longer sin, and will be beyond sinning. But I think that there is a strong indication that there will not be another rebellion as there was in the past: 1 Corinthians 15:25-26 For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet; (26) the last hostile thing made to cease is death. If the last hostile thing that is made to cease is death, then all others must be previously ceased, and none more may occur after this. Death is the last. So based on this I do not believe that there will be another rebellion among the angels. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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748 | In Rev. why the need for healing | Rev 21:2 | mark d seyler | 178166 | ||
Now those are some good questions! Who are these nations? Where do they come from? Why do they need healing? The Bible doesn't tell us these things. But it's very provocative to think about, wondering what God may have in store for us in the ages to come. There is a similar passage in Ezekiel 47:12 "By the river on its bank, on one side and on the other, will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither and their fruit will not fail. They will bear every month because their water flows from the sanctuary, and their fruit will be for food and their leaves for healing." If I were to speculate based on the plainest reading of this passage, well, I probibly shouldn't! :-) Love in Christ, Mark |
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749 | Jesus or Immanuel | Rev 21:3 | mark d seyler | 164484 | ||
Hi Noveta, Immanuel means "God with us". Jesus, from Jehoshuah, means "God is salvation". Jesus has been called Immanuel by His people, the Church, though I don't know if that is what Isaiah was prophesying. I suspect this prophecy will be fulfilled when God makes His home with man (Rev. 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,) As far as "historical evidence" that Jesus existed, the Bible is that evidence. History is comprised of the writings and other expressions of people (such as art). While there are no known paintings or sculptures of Jesus - He was only a poor carpenter, after all), there is a body of writing about Him that is collected together in the Bible. It was written contemporaneously to the the people who knew Him, and would not have been perpetuated if it had not been true. Simon Greenleaf has written some very good material on the evidentiary value of the Bible towards proving the claims it makes. There is a mention of Jesus in the history written by Josephus, although some agrue that it was added later. People who want to agrue will do just that, no matter what you present them with. I would recommend to you "Halley's Bible Handbook". I has a very readable section on the historical background of the Bible, as well as a treasure trove of other information. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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