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1341 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205533 | ||
Hi Tam: I think maybe you should put on your glasses my dear friend. Check the user name a little closer...... No matter though, the original poster (sdbinns) will get your reply, but may be wondering who John is! :-) God bless John |
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1342 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205536 | ||
Hi Tam: Just to get a better perspective of the sine gifts, read, 1 Tim 5:23 in the contexts ch 5 and ask yourself.... If these miraculous (sine gift's) were still in practice in Paul's day, even at the time he wrote this: Why would he say what he said to Timothy? Then take a look at Gal 4:13 God bless John |
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1343 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205543 | ||
Gal 4:13 but you know that it was because of a bodily illness that I preached the gospel to you the first time; NASB Which happens to be the most trusted translation from the original Greek. So I can, and I do. |
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1344 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205546 | ||
Hi Tam: there's nothing to indicate in Scripture, that that particular illness was the infamous, "thorn in the flesh". Remember too that I never said that these gifts were not necessarily given today. I certainly do believe in miraculous healing! But given the type of circus sideshow charlatan activity we see so much of, I am more the a little skeptical, and that they are not as prevalent as some would have us to believe. I happen to think that anyone who has such a gift today, would do so under the strict direction of and guidance of the Holy Spirit, who by the way is not one to bring attention to Himself, but only to point to Jesus. I believe if and when they are used, they are used with utmost discretion. Not the kind of nonsense we see on tv. I also believe that If God wants to heal illness, He will heal it, He doesn't need healers. Even in those places and in countries that have so much sickness, the greater need still is to preach the Gospel, for it is the sick and broken spirit, that truly needs healing. Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. I'm getting down off this soapbox now, so if others want to discuss this, go for it, but I'm done, if you please. Shalom and God bless John |
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1345 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205549 | ||
Correction: my quote: "there's nothing to indicate in Scripture, that that particular illness was the infamous, "thorn in the flesh". Actually after closer inspection perhaps it was the "thorn in the flesh" Which some believe is some kind of blindness, as He mentions, they showed such kindness that he believed they would have given their eyes to him. Nonetheless, blindness is indeed a physical illness. Shalom and God bless John |
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1346 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205551 | ||
Hi Brother: Yeah I know what it means, it is cristal clear! It's as simple as cake, and a real pie walk, or something like that. :-) You got me Brother, you got any ideas? God bless John |
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1347 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205557 | ||
I know ya did bro, it was just an afermation. And I agree, It seems like it has been a discoard from the very start. Our friend apperently thinks he has some info, that we don't, and I wish he would just say it, and get over with it. (How about it Jim, (lookinforacity)? Why don't you just, out with it?) Thanks Lionheart, God bless John |
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1348 | what about doing the work Jesus did ? | 1 Cor 12:28 | stjohn | 205563 | ||
My dear sweet Sister, Tamara, I am so sorry, but huh? Tamara, let me please make this very, very clear.... I DID NOT POST, THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, .... So, how and where did I change my mind? Tamara, dear Sister, I answered jim and Lionheart, on what I considered a side issue. Tamara, will you please stop, reflect and read the whole thread, what I said, and what others said, who said it, and what it was about, before you post, please? Maybe you should get some rest, Tamara, you did say you have trouble sleeping. I love you too, dear heart.... Shalom and God bless John |
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1349 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215018 | ||
Hi Julia Marie, Not every one receives the same gifts. "There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills." 1 Cor 12:6-11 Paul tells us not everyone gets the same gifts, and it is God who decides who gets what. NOT us. "All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way." 1 Cor 12:29-31 Paul tells us it does not edify the Body of Christ. "So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church." 1 Cor 14:9 Paul tells us to grow up. "Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord. So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?" 1 Cor 14:20-23 Paul says, it just makes us look like we are crazy. Think about it... Kind of selfish, don't you think? John |
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1350 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215130 | ||
Hi Tim, I agree with you about MacArther, using a bad example to disqualify tongues. He really does a bad job on that one! But I have to agree with him that there are two kinds, genuine, and counterfeit. The one is useful in communicating the gospel to people of a different language, or tongue, (1 Cor 14:22a "So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers;" -Just like on the day of Pentecost- and I believe the only "legitimate" reason to speak in tongues.) and the other kind, which seems is nothing but ecstatic gibberish, that only serves to edify the one who thinks he is being spiritual by going along with a deceived crowd who says you gotta have it, to show the evidence of the Holy Spirit's baptizing. I've been there and it ain't pretty. Some were telling me I needed to practice speaking in tongues, and then the Holy Spirit would see my faith and soon take over for me. Talk about a bunch of hogwash! I almost fell for it! John |
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1351 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215135 | ||
Hi Vintage, If I may just step in here for some clarification of the verse in Romans that many use to bolster the legitimacy of speaking in tongues. Lets take a 'careful' look at it in the NASB, if you please. Romans 8:26 "in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;" What does it say about the groanings that the Holy Spirit intercedes with? Does it say the Holy Spirit speaks words? No, it says the groanings are 'too deep' for words. That means, no words. You cant have a language without words. So this verse actually means the opposite of what you and others are saying it means. Lets look at it in the KJV. v 26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." It says the groanings, "cannot be uttered." That would not mean that the gronings are some kind of language; because they what? Because they 'cannot' be uttered. Now the meaning of utter is, to send forth with the voice, or, to articulate, pronounce, or speak words. This verse clearly says that, speaking words or utterance to express these gronings, cannot be done because they are too deep for words. Now you may say: how can the Holy Spirit intercede without words? Verse 27, and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. Because; "He who searches the hearts" (God the Father) "knows what the mind of the Spirit is" (God knows the mind/thoughts without words) "because He (the Holy Spirit) intercedes for the saints according to the will of God." The Holy Spirit knows the will of God, they are in perfect communication as two persons of the God-head and of the same mind. No words are needed because, the Holy Spirit already knows the will of God. I hope that helps John |
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1352 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215136 | ||
Hi Mike, You ask: "Why would God give me the supernatural gift of speaking in French if nobody in the room speaks French?" Okay: Why would God give you ANY language, that no one in the room speaks? You see what the problem is? He certainly wouldn't, would He? Now that would surly, as you have said yourself, not make sense. John |
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1353 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215138 | ||
Hi again, Mike, If I may just add this to my last post for your consideration. Paul says, that someone must interpret the tongues. Now what does that mean? How do you interpret a tongue or language? Let me offer you this. In order to interpret a language, you must be able to speak and understand that language. Right? So what Paul is saying is, that someone in the room must be able to understand that language. So that language, must be known to that person, though it may not be known to the others in the room. What he is saying is, not that the language is totally unknown, like gibberish, but that it is unknown to all but the one it is intended for, in order to give the Gospel to someone who speaks a foreign language, just like on the day of Pentecost. That is, as no one will argue, the legitimate gift of tongues. I hope that helps John |
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1354 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215147 | ||
It seems to me the whole thing you related to me was completely pointless. If wish to quote John 3:16 to my Church I'll do in in english so everyone will understand and be edified. Sorry, but that stuff is nothing but childish showing off. Very frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be in a situation like that. God doesn't have anything new to add to His word. So why on earth would He give someone something to say that we should already know in the first place-!? Sorry Searcher but thats nonsense. John |
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1355 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215148 | ||
Dear Mike, I'm very sorry if you take this the wrong way, but God doesn't have any new revelation to add to the complete cannon of Scripture. If you want to edify your brethren then read and teach it to them in english, and stop playing church to make yourself look like you're spiritual or that you have arrived at some lofty hight of Christianity. 1 Cor 14:20 We do not base our faith on experience, (Heb 11:1) there are many, many people in many religious circles and pagan cults that can boast of the same things you are boasting about. (2 Cor 11:14) Be very careful not to rely on some spiritual experience. I've been there in churches just like the one you describe my friend, and fraud abounds! "So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church." 1 Cor 14:12 John |
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1356 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215149 | ||
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1357 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215153 | ||
Dear Mike, God has never stopped confirming His Word, but the confirmation of God's word is the Word itself -the Holy Scriptures- not speaking in tongues. I would urge you to stop focusing on the one gift and, focus on higher things, like preaching Christ and Him crucified. 1 Cor 2:1-2 John |
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1358 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215154 | ||
Oh, okay Searcher, I'm sorry I missed that point. :-( Thank you for clarifying that for me. :-) John |
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1359 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215155 | ||
By the way Mike, Paul makes it very clear that this gift you speak of is, not for edifying the Church, but only edifies the individual. So you are misinterpreting and misrepresenting what the Scriptures clearly teach by, saying it is for edifying the Church. And God has no need to confirm what is already given to us in the written word. John |
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1360 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | stjohn | 215157 | ||
Dear Mike, I don't see how you can say that speaking in tongues can lead anyone to Christ when, it is written: "Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?" 1 Cor 14:23 How does that glorify Christ? Thats not a hammer... it's a nut. John |
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