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1321 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211130 | ||
"But it will take a commitment to do some study with an open mind." "with an open mind" As Mark Twain said, "I'm not repeating myself, I'm quoting myself." :-) No one is trowing the baby out with the bath-water or denying that God gifts His Children today, or that He does not still move in miraculous ways. And there is NO shortage of Scripture on this subject as you have seen at the links you visited, but one has to know and be willing to apply them, instead of just looking for something to argue about or make fun of. I certainly don't see anything "hilarious" about any of this. Your claim that there is no Scripture to back this up is quite unwarranted; perhaps some are just unwilling to apply it? Tim, I would take you up on your challenge, but I already know plenty about this doctrine espoused by some, and learned it from those who are quite qualified to express it. But thanks anyway Tim. Again, no one is saying that God does not move in giving gifts, or moving in miraculous ways today, we here all seem to agree on that, so please, stop injecting that into your argument or accusing others of saying that. :-( God bless John |
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1322 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211133 | ||
Dear Tim, Is there a specific Scripture that says that God is a triune God? We all know there isn't, so I would say your contention that there is no specific Scripture to hold up against anti-cessationism is rather just an unwillingness to take all the evidence into consideration. Is History Subjective? IMHO sir, to say that cessationism is subjective is to say that History or even that God is three persons is subjective, because just as Scripture is full with the Fact that God is Three, the teaching on cessationism is rife with Scripture also, as can be seen at the sites cited if we are willing to see it and accept it for what it is. Unfortunately the space provided on this site does not do it justice, but I fear you're using that fact to foster and 'unfairly' build up your argument. :-( At this point, Tim, IMHO you are pushing doctrine. I think perhaps it may be time to put this one to bed, if you don't mind, sir. Once again: (boy am I getting tired of saying this) NO one is saying that, "Gifts of the Spirit" are no longer in effect today, at all. So please get off your hobby horse. God bless John |
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1323 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211145 | ||
Jeff I guess I'm not being clear, I did not say there was no Scripture that points to God being a triune God or that there was not very much, at all. What I said was there is NO specific Scripture that says it clearly and definitively and yes you're getting off subject that was not my point at all either. What I was doing or trying to do (but not very well I guess) was do a comparison. I have used this logic with you in pasts posts and it didn't go over, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised if it doesn't go through this time either. Forgive me if I don't try to explain it further, at this point I'm at a loss. And yes it is a struggle, I struggled with this for close to a year, so keep on struggling, but first and foremost, what finally gave me my answer was God, through prayer, and Lots of it !! God bless John |
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1324 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211157 | ||
Oh my Jeff. I think this is really going nowhere fast, and just a little ridiculous too. If you don't like my comparisons you don't have to, there's nothing I can do about that so maybe we should give it a rest? You seem to not like quit a few of them anyway so like I said why should I expect anything new? Do you know the adage about doing something the same way and expecting different results? Well Im just not good enough to come up with a new idea so I'll just leave it alone. But maybe you could help me out a little bit and not be so critical of my comparisons? sorta like cookies, If you don't like um, don't eat um. As I tried to point out this is not a good format to decide which is correct, it is just not that easy, please go to monergism.com and enter spiritual gifts you can read all you like. Then if you want more you can poke around in other places, but I personally don't think this is a good place for it. I do hope you don't think I based all my inspiration on prayer alone? As I also tried to point out, which evidently, was overlooked, I did not do that at all??? And just because someone says it aught to be easy to point to a passage doesn't mean it is so, sometimes we need to look at History as well as Scripture (i.e. what was happening and when it was happening) which I believe is a valid way of building doctrine. You can have the last word if you need to Jeff, but I think I'm done here. I believe you've been given some good advice and I do hope you find your answers. :-) By the way, I still think there has been a lopsided amount of doctrine pushing here, so I guess we can agree to disagree on that issue. :-) God bless John |
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1325 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 212090 | ||
Ah, actually the Bible does address this. Jill 1 would be perfectly justified in pulling up stakes and pitching her tent elsewhere. Many believe that adultery is the only reason for divorce, but this verse seems to dispel that belief. It would be imperative to say that Jill 2 is being immoral, to say the least! And Jill 1, it would seem, would be sharing in that immorality by staying in that relationship, and would be wise indeed to leave town and not to even look in her rearview mirror! Matt 19:9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." John p.s. you make a good point, and I would agree that the Bible doesn't seem to have answers to all our questions: even some of the questions it raises. But maybe that's more our fault, and not the Bible's. |
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1326 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 212093 | ||
Are you being serious-!? | ||||||
1327 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 212095 | ||
Quite simply, it, is a choice. What can you show me in Scripture about it that is not sexually immoral? This is a form of homosexuality, and the Bible is very clear about the immorality of this practice. Are you going to put me to task, to look up the verses in the law for you, or do you think you are capable of doing that for yourself? | ||||||
1328 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 212131 | ||
but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love. So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. Eph 4:15-19 |
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1329 | God does not want us "unaware." | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 219263 | ||
Dear teacher... Welcome to the forum! I noticed that you have your website in your user profile. Though it is not part of the forum proper it is still accessible to all registered users of SBF as part of the restricted area and therefor in the public view. Thus, unfortunately, it is solicitation and not abiding with the Terms Of Use, and is therefor in violation of the Terms of Use we all agree to when we registered to this forum. Would you please be so gracious and kindly remove it? Thank you! :-) -Terms Of Use- * You agree not to post, email or otherwise transmit any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, "junk mail," "spam," "chain letters," "pyramid schemes," or any other form of solicitation. John |
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1330 | Gos Can Speak! | 1 Cor 12:3 | stjohn | 219287 | ||
Dear teacher, All one would really have to do to discover that God speaks is, read the Bible. It's histories are copiously rife with the truth of God speaking. God speaks throughout the Bible. The Bible starts out with God speaking in Genesis 1:3 ("And God said")... And ends with Him speaking in Revelation 22:20, where Jesus Christ testifies of Himself: "Yes, I am coming quickly." Where, pray tell, does it say in the Scriptures that the Corinthians discovered that God can speak? Pardon me, sir, but the important thing the corinthians discovered was that they were so far out of orthodoxy that, Paul wrote them several chapters admonishing them for being too worldly, and for their idolatrous, drunken, incestuous, childish behaviors and dissension of many kinds. And that they should grow up, and be adults in their thinking. (1 Cor 13:11, 14:20) If you read First Corinthians in context -without putting all your eggs in the "spiritual gifts" basket- you might just see that there is much, much more to be learned here then, child's play. John |
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1331 | Gos Can Speak! | 1 Cor 12:3 | stjohn | 219295 | ||
CDBJ, Yes, and unfortunately I believe if Paul were to visit some congregations today, he'd sadly find the same thing. :-( I guess some are just going to continue to insist that they will remain ignorant babies, only interested in selfishly edifying themselves :-( John |
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1332 | All Don't Have The Same Ministry In Lord | 1 Cor 12:5 | stjohn | 219346 | ||
Peter, can you show us please where in the scripture is says that varieties of ministries are, divisions? Can you be more specific in what you mean be these, divisions? And just out of curiosity, Peter, can you explain why you refer to yourself in the third person and what purpose it serves? Sorry, Peter, but it seems very odd, and it's quite confusing to those who read your profile. John |
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1333 | All Don't Have The Same Ministry In Lord | 1 Cor 12:5 | stjohn | 219348 | ||
Thanks for the clarification, Peter. So if you believe what you say then why the big enfaces on tongues? And how, pray tell, can it be a gift, if you teach it? That seems very much to me that you would be taking it and picking it for yourself. What do you tell those who just don't learn it? Are they half-baked Christians if they don't get the gift? Did they learn it on the first Pentecost when it first came to be? Or did the Holy Spirit just give it to them? John |
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1334 | All Don't Have The Same Ministry In Lord | 1 Cor 12:5 | stjohn | 219356 | ||
Hi Justme, Thanks for your thoughts and concerns, it is much appreciated. I am cognizant of Mr. Martell's teaching, I've visited the website in question and read all that was available there. Everything has been taken into consideration, Justme. Thanks for your concern for proper orthodoxy and adherence to the TOU gracing our pages. John |
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1335 | All Don't Have The Same Ministry In Lord | 1 Cor 12:5 | stjohn | 219359 | ||
Dear Justme, Though I may not be quite as upset as you are, I do tend to agree with you. At the very least, someone speaking about themselves in the third person (quite fondly by the way) may reveal a disturbing personality disorder not associated with the Christian walk. Known in psychology as, NPD or, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it reveals an unnatural unhealthy focus on ones self with undue praise and adoration. Very, very unlike what should be expected and indeed expressed by a humble Christian, walking after the image of our master Jesus Christ. John |
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1336 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 187104 | ||
Hi steve, Just a few thoughts on this. First of all I believe in miracles and healing. But much, if not most, of what we see today, compared to the multitudes that were healed during the laying of the foundation of the Church, are, I believe, a faded shadow of what was in that day. I am of the belief, that our business as followers of Christ, is to preach the Gospel. Look at the emphases in this verse please. Matt 11:5 the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.. Notice how the emphases is on the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM. I see in this the spiritual sight that is given by the Holly Spirit, in the preaching of the Gospel. And look at this please. 2 CorĀ 12:7 Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me--to keep me from exalting myself! What are the revelations? May I say they are the Gospel. And why did not Paul have the power to just heal himself? And in another place he advises Timothy to take a little wine to aid him in an ailment that he had. Why didn't he just heal him? We need to examen ourselves very carefully, that we do not exalt ourselves, if the great Paul had to be careful. And then we have these freighting verses. MattĀ 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Well, personally I think I'll just take it to the Lord in prayer, and if He wants to heal me then Praise the Lord! But I'm not going to a healer! I think we need to be very careful in this sort of thing. God bless. John |
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1337 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 187212 | ||
Hello Steve, Amen brother, and thanks. I don't think I missed that point in your first post, i.e. being mindful of what the gifts were given for in the first place. I thought you did a good job of getting that across. at least I think this is what you are saying i.e. to prove without a doubt that Jesus was/is the Christ, and that the apostles were his chosen to preach the gospel of salvation. And please don't misunderstand me, I wasn't saying that Paul had the gift of healing, as I don't believe that is something that 'anyone' can take hold of, because it is God that does the healing, and always did, and always will. And please note that I didn't answer the questions, but I had thought that they would provoke the right answers. I guess I didn't do so well on that one. I didn't miss the gist of the verse, I just didn't do a very good job of getting the point across, as I had thought that the verse had done a good enough job on its own. And may I say that I greatly appreciate your desire to deepen my understanding, I'm proud to know you my friend. I also agree wholeheartedly that matt 28:20 is sadly neglected. However, I do believe that if we are preaching the Gospel, and proclaiming it with joy, that the other ranks 2'd. I do, and I will always, put the preaching of the good news of Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross number one, and I believe, if we don't do that, then the rest is for nothing. Thanks again brother, and may I add, I agree with what was said about the 3,000 on the day of Pentecost that heard and believed being one of the (greater works) that Jesus was talking about. Sorry I don't remember who posted that, but I agree totally with that statement. And I would like to add that I too share your joy, in sharing and learning God's word with my brothers and sisters, it is indeed an honor and a privilege. Thank you, to all. God bless. John |
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1338 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 187219 | ||
Dear Van, My friend, if you are not focused on Christ, and Him crucified, and preaching that, you have missed the point of scripture altogether. You have a long way to go if you are thinking you can save people by healing their bodies. It is the (spirit) of man that needs healing! What you are suggesting is nothing more then pious nonsense. And may I say, to seek signs and wonders at all, is scripturally off base. My young friend, I hope that you take the advice that is being offered to you here and get off this pious nonsense, as it does not win souls. (Only) the work of the Holly Spirit, in the hearts of men, that have heard the Word of the good news of Christ's work on the Cross, one sows seeds of faith, and others water, this, will get them saved! And may I say, that it is (your faith) that has diminished-!! Anyone who seeks signs and wonders, does (not) have faith in the gospel to save! Grow up my friend. I hope and pray that you receive this in the spirit in which it was intended and that is love for you as a fellow believer and love for the truth of and in God's Word. God bless my friend. John |
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1339 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 187223 | ||
Thank you brother! I hope we can have many hours of faithful study together, with everyone here at SBF I'm so pleased to have found it!!! Rom 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! Amen my friend. :-) God bless. John |
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1340 | What is the Gift of God in Ephes, 2:8,9 | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 219205 | ||
Excellent point, CDBJ, and I'd have to agree with you on that. So, nix the Scripture reference, but I still think the gift of God spoken of here in Ephes 2:8-9 is faith and I suppose grace would be considered a gift as well sense it's something we get that is unmerited. That would be a gift too, by definition. What's your take on it, Brother? John |
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