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1301 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 203961 | ||
Bless you too, my dear Hatless. :-) I'm well pleased to have lightened the load a little. God bless John |
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1302 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 204015 | ||
Dear Tamara: I’ve not been here at the forum all that long, indeed, I’m rather a newcomer. But I have noticed that most all the regulars seem to try to keep their questions answers and notes somewhat concise, (short) and comprehensive, (to the point and understandable) this seems to be the normative practice of convention. I’m not saying it’s a rule, of course, but it seems to be the polite thing to do. I’m sorry if you are (and you seem to be) offended by my reference to the length of your post, I’m sorry but almost all of your posts are long, and forgive my frankness but it is hard to keep someone’s attention when, as you said yourself, they are just too darn long. Now, your original question was: Should women wear hats? Well, here’s the verse: 1 Cor 11:5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. OK since you apparently feel it necessary to be pedantic about the issue of wearing or not wearing a hat, consider this. Paul says, “ While praying or prophesying” My question for you is. Do you, when you sit down to a meal and say grace (praying) do you make sure that you are wearing a hat? Or even when privately speaking to the Lord (praying, do you wear a hat? And, as an outspoken women (you seem to be) and seemingly one who is not ashamed of the gospel. Do you always wear a hat when sharing or discussing scripture (in a broad sense but nonetheless considered prophesying) and when you sit down to your computer to share and teach here at the forum: do you wear a hat? It is also a convention here at the forum, and by the way mandated by our gracious host, The Lockman Foundation, to use scripture references when posting notes and answers, something that with all your verbiage, you have glaringly failed to do. (at least for the most part) Please do so in the future. THIS IS NOT A CHAT ROOM The call, indeed the motto here at the forum is, Sola Scriptura! So please Keep that in mind when posting hear at the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the terms and conditions by clicking on, "Terms of Use." at the top of the home page. Please do so. Now, my dear Tamara, if you really think it so important to be pedantic, then, how about these scriptures. 1 Tim 2:11-14 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. How are you doing with that one? I hope you can see my point my Sister, we can sure get bogged down with trying to keep rules that are just an external view of who we really are, and God don’t give a hoot about what we look like on the outside, but cares ever so much and ever so deeply about what we look on the inside. “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.” Ps 51:17 I'll let you have the last word on this matter, If you feel it necessary to keeping this going, but I'm hanging my proverbial hat on the rack! :-) I really cant see how this is substantively efficacious for building up the Body of Christ. We can go on and on until it all seems quite superfluous. Shalom and God bless John |
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1303 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 204239 | ||
Amen | ||||||
1304 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 204247 | ||
You got me Brother, Lionheart, I don't really see one. Like I tried to lightheartedly say to our Sister, if you think it honors God to do it, then do it, and God bless you. But I think you, or should I say Scripture, (Rom 14) hit the proverbial nail on the head! Lets not dispute over the matter. God bless John |
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1305 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209214 | ||
Dear peacebestill: I found your post very insightful. Tamara is quite an interesting subject, can you give me more insight? I too am interested in how she may have been misunderstood. You seem to have an inate sence about things. :-) John |
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1306 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209245 | ||
Dear peacebestill: Thanks, but you know, the way I see it, (and I mean no offense) some people, feel the need to just chew, and chew, on the Word of God, until there is pretty much nothing left, but mush. God bless John |
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1307 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209249 | ||
Oh. So that must be why they called that one guy Muchi. :-) | ||||||
1308 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209318 | ||
Thank you peacebestill. I guess I can only hope then to someday reach the depth of such wisdom and piety. Prov 10:19, Eccl 5:3, Eccl 5:7, Eccl 6:11 Peace John |
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1309 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209347 | ||
Defense; in the guise of repentance, is not repentance. It is self Justification. John p.s. I'm very sad that you had not learned your lessons, early. :-( |
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1310 | Let This Post Stand For A While. | 1 Cor 11:5 | stjohn | 204240 | ||
And Amen, I like your screen name by the way :-) | ||||||
1311 | gifts of Spirit in Heaven | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 204111 | ||
Um, Ah, I think you may have missed the point. "And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God." 1 Cor 2:1-5 |
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1312 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 210984 | ||
--"Cessationism is the view that the “miracle gifts” of tongues and healing have ceased—that the end of the apostolic age brought about a cessation of the miracles associated with that age. Most cessationists believe that, while God can and still does perform miracles today, the Holy Spirit no longer uses individuals to perform miraculous signs. The biblical record shows that miracles occurred during particular periods for the specific purpose of authenticating a new message from God. Moses was enabled to perform miracles to authenticate his ministry before Pharaoh (Exodus 4:1-8); Elijah was given miracles to authenticate his ministry before Ahab (1 Kings 17:1; 18:24); the apostles were given miracles to authenticate their ministry before Israel (Acts 4:10, 16). Jesus’ ministry was also marked by miracles, which the Apostle John calls “signs” (John 2:11). John’s point is that the miracles were proofs of the authenticity of Jesus’ message. After Jesus’ resurrection, as the Church was being established and the New Testament was being written, the apostles demonstrated “signs” such as tongues and the power to heal. “Tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not” (1 Corinthians 14:22, a verse that plainly says the gift was never intended to edify the church). The Apostle Paul predicted that the gift of tongues would cease (1 Corinthians 13:8). Here are 6 proofs that it has already ceased: 1) The apostles, through whom tongues came, were unique in the history of the church. Once their ministry was accomplished, the need for authenticating signs ceased to exist. 2) The miracle (or sign) gifts are only mentioned in the earliest Epistles, such as 1 Corinthians. Later books, such as Ephesians and Romans, contain detailed passages on the gifts of the Spirit, but the miracle gifts are not mentioned (although Romans does mention the gift of prophecy, the Greek word translated prophecy mean “speaking forth” and does not necessarily include prediction of the future). 3) The gift of tongues was a sign to unbelieving Israel that God’s salvation was now available to other nations. See 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 and Isaiah 28:11-12. 4) Tongues was an inferior gift to prophecy (preaching). Preaching the Word of God edifies believers, whereas tongues does not. Believers are told to seek prophesying over speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:1-3). 5) History indicates that tongues did cease. Tongues are not mentioned at all by the Post-Apostolic Fathers. Other writers such as Justin Martyr, Origen, Chrysostom, and Augustine considered tongues something that happened only in the earliest days of the Church. 6) Current observation confirms that the miracle of tongues has ceased. If the gift were still available today, there would be no need for missionaries to attend language school. Missionaries would be able to travel to any country and speak any language fluently, just as the apostles were able to speak in Acts 2.As for the miracle gift of healing, we see in Scripture that healing was associated with the ministry of Jesus and the apostles (Luke 9:1-2). And we see that as the era of the apostles drew to a close, healing, like tongues, became less frequent. The Apostle Paul, who raised Eutychus from the dead (Acts 20:9-12), did not heal Epaphroditus (Philippians 2:25-27), Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20), Timothy (1 Timothy 5:23), or even himself (2 Corinthians 12:7-9). The reasons for Paul’s “failures to heal” are 1) the gift was never intended to make every Christian well, but to authenticate apostleship; and 2) the authority of the apostles had been sufficiently proved, making further miracles unnecessary. The reasons stated above are evidence that the sign gifts have ceased. According to 1 Corinthians 13:13-14:1, we would do well to “pursue love,” the greatest gift of all. If we are to desire gifts, we should desire to speak forth the Word of God, that all may be edified."-- From... http://www.gotquestions.org/cessationism.html Another Recommended Resource: Are Miraculous Gifts for Today - Four Views edited by Wayne Grudem. |
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1313 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 210990 | ||
--" First Corinthians 13:10 says: “But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.” “That which is in part” refers to the gifts of prophecy, knowledge and tongues (vs. 8-9). What Paul is saying is that there will be a time when these sign gifts will cease because something better (the “perfect”) will replace them. There is some debate as to what the word “perfect” refers to. The two most common views are the completion of the Bible and the glorification of believers in heaven. There is a difference between how prophecy and knowledge come to an end, and how the gift of languages (tongues) does, as indicated by the Greek verb forms used. (Prophecy does not mean forecasting or telling the future. The gift of prophecy in its true biblical definition means simply “speaking forth,” or “proclaiming publicly” to which the connotation of prediction was added sometime in the Middle Ages. Since the completion of Scripture, prophecy has not been a means of new revelation, but is limited to proclaiming what has already been revealed in the written Word.) Prophecy and knowledge are both said to “be abolished,” the verb indicating that something will put an end to those two functions. What will abolish knowledge and prophecy, according to verses 9 and 10, is “that which is perfect.” When that occurs, those gifts will be rendered inoperative. The “perfect” is not the completion of Scripture, since there is still the operation of those two gifts and will be in the future kingdom (Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17; Revelation 11:3). The Scriptures do not allow us to see “face to face” or have perfect knowledge as God does (v. 12). The “perfect” is not the rapture of the church or the second coming of Christ, since the kingdom to follow these events will have an abundance of preachers and teachers (Isaiah 29:18; 32:3, 4; Joel 2:28; Revelation 11:3). The perfect, therefore, must be the eternal state, when we in glory see God face to face (Revelation 22:4) and have full knowledge in the eternal new heavens and new earth. Just as a child grows to full understanding, believers will come to perfect knowledge and no such gifts will be necessary. On the other hand, Paul uses a different word for the end of the gift of languages, thus indicating it will “cease” by itself, rather than being abolished by something, as it did at the end of the apostolic age. It will not end by the coming of the “perfect,” for it will already have ceased. The uniqueness of the gift of languages and its interpretations was, as all sign gifts, to authenticate the message and messages of the gospel before the NT was completed (Hebrews 2:3, 4). “Tongues” was also limited by being a judicial sign from God of Israel’s judgment (Isaiah 28:11, 12). Tongues was also not a sign to believers, but unbelievers, specifically the unbelieving Jews. Tongues also ceased because there was no need to verify the true messages from God once the Scripture was given. The Bible, not the sign gifts, became the standard by which messages all are to be verified. Tongues was a means of edification in a way far inferior to preaching and teaching. In fact, chap. 14 was designed to show the Corinthians, so preoccupied with tongues, that it was an inferior means of communication (vv. 1–12), an inferior means of praise (vv. 13–19), and an inferior means of evangelism (vv. 20–25). Prophecy was and is, far superior (vv. 1, 3–6, 24, 29, 31, 39). First Corinthians 13:10-12 declares, “but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.” When shall we see face to face? When shall we know fully, even as we are fully known? This will occur when we pass from this life and enter God’s glorious presence in Heaven. First John 3:2 tells us, “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.” It is when we are glorified in Heaven that we will truly have put childish ways behind us."-- http://www.gotquestions.org/perfect-1Corinthians-13-10.html |
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1314 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211024 | ||
Allow me to jump in here if I may please? Tim, no one has said that God cannot or does not perform miracles. But He does not give the gift of performing those miracles to individuals today as He did in the early Church. If you think you know someone who can do these things, I think they can be used at their local hospital or emergency-room. The evidence is overwhelming that the kind if stuff we see performed by "individuals" who claim to be healers, is a ridiculous sham compared to what the Prophets, Jesus, and the Apostles did. You would do very well indeed to, steer clear of them and, their false teachings, and stick to the Word of God, that has the power to save, without any help from assinine charlatans! God bless John |
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1315 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211029 | ||
One would indeed think rightly, that such a man, born blind, then recieved sight, would be renown! | ||||||
1316 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211072 | ||
I happen to think that they are pretty good Tim, or I wouldn't have posted them. If you would like to address the proof's the "address" for that is, http://www.gotquestions.org/index.html But I doubt if you will get any further with them, then you did with me. |
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1317 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211074 | ||
Dear Jeff, Scripture say at least 51 times that the Sun rises or sets though we know full well that it does not do anything of the kind. So I would contend that just because we don't see specific verses that say certain gifts are no longer in use as they are no longer needed, we can still use common sense or wisdom to see that historically these things are indeed true. At least we know that some of the gifts are still needed, wisdom, being one of them. I believe your reference to believing rational arguments should be held onto. there is nothing wrong with using our noodles. :-) God bless John |
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1318 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211082 | ||
Jeff, the only thing I can say is that I was first involved as a new Christian in a Church that taught that all the gifts were still available, I had no other doctrine to go on, but something just wasn't right. Only after many, many months on my face in prayer and in His book in prayer did I come to the conclusions that I have come to. Please believe me friend, it tore me apart, because I so loved these people and still do, but It was NOT the teaching of man nor common sense but the Holy Spirit that led me to the truth. Once I'd come to this I eventually after a great deal of sadness and loneliness, happily found I was not at all alone but in the majority of orthodox Christians, many of whom have shown me through good old common sense we can still come to the same conclusions. But Jeff Scripture is indeed the bases of my conclusions, and though I cant point to a single verse and not only the entire counsel of 1 Cor where Paul is saying only not in so many words to the Corinthians to, shut up and grow up, where it comes to at least one of the gifts, but to the whole Bible. Jeff there are so many men of God that I so admire that have also come to these same conclusions that I would be wroth to even try to count them, men who have demonstrated to me that they are being led by the Holy Spirit. Take it for whatever you think its worth my friend I've nothing else to add. By the way Jeff Im as staunch a defender of sola Scriptura as just about anyone here on this forum and I think you know that, if you don't may I inform you it is indeed so. So I vehemently agree that we should indeed be holding onto truth shown to us through His Holy Word. God bless John |
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1319 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211113 | ||
I don't really have that problem, but the format here does present a problem because you keep insisting that there needs to be a single passage or even perhaps just a few, but that's not the case. However if you are willing to learn, may I suggest these links, that the Doc has posted. But it will take a commitment to do some study with an open mind. :-) http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1856.htm http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cessgifts.html http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/1856 also www.monergism.com, and enter "spiritual gifts" in the search box. There is buy no means a shortage of Scripture Tim as you will see if you willing to visit these links. I have reservations that any of it will fall on ears willing to listen as you seem to be pretty firmly entrenched, but it's worth a try I guess. God bless John p.s. I think His kid has a question for you up top. |
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1320 | Am I ignorant | 1 Cor 12:1 | stjohn | 211114 | ||
Oh yeah, By the way Tim, if you really read my post you might not miss the fact that I was not in the majority at the Church I mentioned, but I was indeed the "odd man out" without a single ally. But I was the only one willing to actually spend the time to really study these things and not just skim over a few passages for proof texts. I must have read and reread 1 Cor 12-13-14 a Hundred times! But thanks for the advice anyway. :-) God bless John |
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