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1241 | Government? Ministers for Christ? | Rom 13:4 | stjohn | 215715 | ||
Dear Doc, Very well said brother! Thanks for a first-class post, Doc. John |
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1242 | The Final Analysis | Rom 13:8 | stjohn | 201601 | ||
"People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered; ...Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; ...Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; ...Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; ...Be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; ...Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; ...Be happy anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; ...Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough; ...Give the world the best you've got anyway. You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway." Adapted from Mother Teresas enlarged and framed sign, hung in the front lobby of her Nirmala Shishu Bhavan, the children’s home in Calcutta. |
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1243 | The Final Analysis | Rom 13:8 | stjohn | 201604 | ||
Amen my lionhearted Brother: If I may add though, at the end of the day, truth be told, He, is the only one who really knows for sure! :-) Jeremiah 17:9 Though I know we can say for certain, "my name is written in the Lambs Book of Life", it is only because He is faithful and true, and His word can be trusted above all things. He says so, so, I know it's true. Thank you Brother for being here along with the many others at the forum, to help me along in my growth and knowledge of our Lord and His Word. The joy of fellowship I find here is beyond measure. I truly don't know were els I could find so much devotion to the righteous exposition His Word! :-) A really big thanks, and God bless to one and all! John More from our dear Sister, Mother Teresa: "There is always the danger that we may just do the work for the sake of the work. This is where the respect and the love and the devotion come in - that we do it to God, to Christ, and that's why we try to do it as beautifully as possible." Let us pray that we can be as faithful as she was, too the nth degree! ...Priceless indeed! |
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1244 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216401 | ||
Dear Tim, In that case, what is it that God is giving? Is He giving the "same" (i.e. 'perseverance' and 'encouragement') that describe Him? Or, is He giving us our thoughts? ("to think among one another") I'd say that the former would be the one that only makes sense since He certainly doesn't give us our thoughts. Aren't we free to think as we will? Are we made by our creator as robots wherein our thinking can or will be programed by God? To do that, He would be taking away our free will. James 1:17 John |
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1245 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216404 | ||
I'll take your first answer, thanks! :-) Not to beleaguer the point, Tim, but I think you should think it over, as textually or otherwise, the second one, just doesn't make sense. Unless, you would qualify it to include only the "Unity" of thinking, as "one" of the gifts, along with, perseverance and encouragement. James 1:17 :-) John |
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1246 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216408 | ||
Thanks Tim! That was indeed my concern, as you answered the question saying that perseverance and encouragement were not gifts, without qualifying the statement, because we know, at least we should know, they are gifts. Seems like a bit of nat straining but I think it's important nonetheless. And, again not to beleaguer the point to death, but I still think the verse can be taken either way without compromising it textually, or grammatically, since the text though it is a translation from Greek it is not written in Greek and does not 'necessarily' have to follow the same rules of grammar. In other words, it's a matter of opinion how the sentence should be dissected. But that brings us back to nat straining, doesn't it? After all, Tim, just look at all the different ways the verse has been written in the translations. Certainly, we are not more qualified to do the job. :-) John |
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1247 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216410 | ||
Oh my! Tim, in your other post you say translation is very difficult, and now you say: "any first year Greek student should be able to translate this verse. It is not a difficult verse at all" I like to know, which is it? Is it hard, or is it easy? I would imagine that a translation of the Bible from Greek by a first year student would really be something to read! :-) So, if it's so easy, why so many different translations? Obviously there are many more qualified then the likes of us that disagree on just how precise the Greek is on this verse. Could it be that interpretation "does" play an important part? :-) John |
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1248 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216414 | ||
Tim, first of all thanks for the time you have taken to explain your views on Bible translation. I appreciate it and, I learn a lot from you in understanding what was being said in the original Greek language. But, Tim, you still haven't really answered my question of why so many different translations of that verse. Obviously, Tim, not all Greek scholars agree with you, my friend. I for one, not too often but at least in this case, happen to like what the NIV has to say and am open to a broader meaning of this verse when taken in the context of the whole council of Scripture. Please don't think I'm being lose with my doctrine, I hope you know me better then that! :-) "You also wrote: If I understood you point about Greek grammar though, you seem to have been saying that the English translation does not have follow the Greek rules of grammar. If that were the case, we would no longer be involved in translation of God's Word, but simply writing what we wanted to say." Nowhere, do I mean to imply that we should just say what we want to say. I'm sorry, Tim, but thats not really a very fair statement, and it's a little bit disparaging too, if I may say so. :-) Tim, not all of the Greek in the Bible is classical (as you know) and follows the hard and fast rule of grammar; (as I hope you know) Case in point: Doctor Luke, for instance, writes very well, but, Peter is quite hard to translate (according to what I've read and from scholarly advice from trusted sources) because his grammar is somewhat lacking. And that of course is not the only case in scripture, (and I'm not saying the verse in question is written badly either, but it has been translated differently, so it must not be all that clear to all the translators. So, my contention is: interpretation is also very important when precise grammatical interpretation isn't so easy, simply because precise grammar is not always used in Scripture. Keeping the understanding that the context of the whole council of scripture comes very importantly into play, as well, when translating the Bible, we should be very careful not to make blanket statements about how translation should be done. Sorry if I'm going on and on, Tim, but you didn't seem to be grasping what I was trying to say. Probably my fault, because of my bad grammar. :-) Sometimes, just like on this forum, we need to try and look past bad grammar to find what is being said. :-) Thanks for your time, Tim, I know you are busy. John |
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1249 | Perseverance and the word given here? | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216448 | ||
Hi Bro. Smith, I was doing some more research on this verse and I think Tim was right on his interpretation in translation, though he just slightly misspoke in saying that perseverance and encouragement are "not" gifts, but only meaning that they are not the gifts spoken of in this verse, and what he later qualified as gifts spoken of in other parts of Scripture, which was my main contention though I still think this verse is somewhat ambiguous about just what are the gifts, as sometimes, (though inspired) the grammar of Scripture is not always perfect and, therefore a bit of a challenge at times, and I think John Gill hits on this idea as well. John Gill starts out by saying on Rom 15:5 where he writes of Paul: "he puts up a prayer to God for them, that such a temper of mind might be in them, which would be for the glory of God" Although perseverance and encouragement are spoken of as gifts in other parts of Scripture, in this particular verse the focus is more on the oneness or unity of mind between the two parties, Gentiles and Jews. Gill then goes on further in explanation and in the context of this chapter regarding the unity of all Christians, to say of verse 5 in Romans 15... Ver. 5. Now the God of patience and consolation,.... These titles and characters of God are manifestly used on account of what is before said concerning the Scriptures, and to show, that the efficacy and usefulness of them, in producing and promoting patience and comfort, entirely depend upon God the author of them: from exhorting, the apostle proceeds to petitioning; well knowing that all his exhortations would be of no avail without the power of divine grace accompanying them. The words are a prayer. The object addressed is described as "the God of patience", because he is the author and giver of that grace: it is a fruit of his Spirit, produced by the means of his word, called the word of his patience." I hope that clears things up a little bit and answers your question. But as for me; I don't really know "how" He gives us perseverance, but I know He does! :-) John |
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1250 | Two ways of thinking! | Rom 15:5 | stjohn | 216556 | ||
Tim, I hadn't ever noticed that in verse 4 of Romans 15 before. What a powerful illustration of the power in God's Holy Word! Speaking of Romans 15, I really enjoyed out discussion on verse 5, It caused me to dig a little deeper, and I must say I learned a thing or two, too. Thanks! :-) John |
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1251 | Greeting kiss motive | Rom 16:16 | stjohn | 200141 | ||
oh yes, Azure, that certainly would explain the way Chinese translate the verse, in that case it makes good sense to do it that way. Very interesting by the way. I too am actually aware of the problem you referred to. I remember listing to an interview with the evangelist Billy Graham, wherein he said that he made a point never to even have an interview, or counsel a member of opposite sex in a private setting, so as not to have even a hint of impropriety or to give any a opportunity to accuse him of immorality. It is indeed sad, to see some, especially in a leadership role, to misrepresent our Lord in such a way. Thank you for your response Sister Azure. God bless John P.S. not many here greet with kisses ether, though some do, they are usually related, with close family ties. As Sister Val pointed out, we usually just want hugs! :-) |
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1252 | Greeting kiss motive | Rom 16:16 | stjohn | 200167 | ||
Dear Val 1963 does bring back memories! In my case however, I'd rather not mention the dark past. :-( Although it wasn't then, Leaning on the Everlasting Arms, is one of my favorite songs, now! By the way, I was still watching a black and white set until just a few years ago. I couldn't see getting rid of the thing as long as it still worked! So did someone say I'm cheep? :-) Thanks Sister Val! I really appreciate your contribution here at SBF. God bless John |
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1253 | Christians living together outside of ma | 1 Corinthians | stjohn | 194076 | ||
Amen Azure. Shalom John |
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1254 | Any elders in Corinth? | 1 Cor 1:1 | stjohn | 206427 | ||
Hi Thomas: I think Brother Steve, makes a very good point! I agree, and a big, AMEN! I think that Paul, was indeed chastising the elders. This is just my opinion, and I have limited experience, (I wont get into details here), but I've seen first hand, elders as those actually responsible for extra-biblical, and in fact, anti-scriptural, childish behavior. My suggestion is, since the elders, or overseers/deacons, (even Pastors, if we indeed apply the message to our present condition), whoever, are usually responsible for the behavior in congregations. (I'm not removing responsibility from all, or any, parishioners; of course we all have to take responsibility for our own actions.) Perhaps paul though, was addressing them, (the elders) even more so, than the general population at these Churches. Personally, I'm quite convinced, that he was! Just my two cents Shalom and God bless John |
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1255 | sharing our faith to unbelievers so hard | 1 Cor 1:18 | stjohn | 199433 | ||
God bless your heart Doc! Brother, you are soo much nicer then me! :-) |
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1256 | sharing our faith to unbelievers so hard | 1 Cor 1:18 | stjohn | 199452 | ||
"For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"-- and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. 2 peter 1:16-19 You see Jman? Peter said that the Scripture, is more sure then his even being an eye witness to the transfiguration! Don't you see it-?? Somehow Brother... I fear... you don't... sad... very.. very sad..... |
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1257 | sharing our faith to unbelievers so hard | 1 Cor 1:18 | stjohn | 199457 | ||
Well, that's, quite impressive, but I haven't seen any evidence of your wonderful qualifications from most all of you numerous posts. Frankly and respectfully, I've not seen what you are espousing to. I can only suggest that you go back and read your Bible again. By the way, it has sunk in all to well my friend. You don't get it. I have been reading your boasting, for quite some time now, and frankly, my friend, I'm quite weary of it. Please, stop. 1 Cor 1:25-31 God bless John |
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1258 | sharing our faith to unbelievers so hard | 1 Cor 1:18 | stjohn | 199462 | ||
Way to go Jman! Just like a man to take his ball and go home! Brother I pray that God gives you a new heart and you stand for the Word of God like a man of God should! | ||||||
1259 | sharing our faith to unbelievers so hard | 1 Cor 1:18 | stjohn | 199481 | ||
My dear Brother Tim, If I have sinned, I have sinned against God, if this is so, then for that, I am deeply sorry! Your Brother in Christ John |
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1260 | sharing our faith to unbelievers so hard | 1 Cor 1:18 | stjohn | 199490 | ||
Dear Tim. let him know what? That what I said is what I hold to be the truth? I don't think I would be being honest if I did that. Brother I am deeply sorry that Jman (Bruce) has left angry and hurt, and If you would like to fault me then you may treat me like the dog who eats scraps under the table, but it is God that can speak to Bruce and bring him back into fellowship. I did not chase him away, and I am not the one who can bring him back. Brother if you would like to talk to me about this mater please do so via email. As I have said it is God who has been sinned against, if there be any whom have sinned. I take NO pleasure in seeing a brother in distress, but if you have to play the man on the moral high ground to make me look bad you may do so, I am of no repute. Brother I don't think this is the place for too much discussion and I know you don't ether, so if you would like to continue the talk, please drop me a line. :-) God bless John |
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