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1201 | Two Natures or One? | Rom 6:6 | stjohn | 210091 | ||
Question: "Just why should a christian bother getting baptised today?" "Answer: Christian baptism, according to the Bible, is an outward testimony of what has occurred inwardly in a believer’s life. Christian baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. The Bible declares, “Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life” (Romans 6:3-4 NIV). In Christian baptism, the action of being immersed in the water pictures being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection. In Christian baptism, there should be two requirements before a person is baptized: (1) the person being baptized must have trusted in Jesus Christ as Savior, and (2) the person must understand what baptism signifies. If a person knows the Lord Jesus as Savior, understands that Christian baptism is a step of obedience in publicly proclaiming his faith in Christ, and desires to be baptized – then there is no reason to prevent the believer from being baptized. According to the Bible, Christian baptism is simply a step of obedience, a public proclamation of one’s faith in Christ alone for salvation. Christian baptism is important because it is a step of obedience – publicly declaring faith in Christ and commitment to Him, and identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection." http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-baptism.html |
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1202 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209251 | ||
Hi Mr KcabmI4: I'm Sure Tim will answer you tomorrow. But if I may, I'd just like to add one thing, and direct you to a good website, to answer many questions. I'm not trying get you to leave by any means. I want you to stay and study with us, but I just want to give this as an extra resource that will help you a lot. You are asking from what you read from Tim's post; can we lose salvation? Well, the short answer is, no. There is no conceivable fraction of forever. John 3:16 says we get eternal life in Jesus. So what part of eternal can we lose? None! Eternal is forever! http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-salvation.html and... http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-10-26.html and... http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html I hope you enjoy Gotquestions.org it is a wealth of sound Scriptural answers, to some of our many questions. I hope this helps you, as much as it has helped me. God bless John |
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1203 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209314 | ||
Amen :-) | ||||||
1204 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209316 | ||
Hi brother Jeff: Um, are you sure you meant Romans 15:31 ? :-) John |
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1205 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209319 | ||
Amen brother Doc, and never mind Wesley, Finney, and Parham managing the feat! That great man of God, Paul the Apostle, never attained it this side of the grass either! :-) For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:14-25 But then, we have the previous chaprer to contend with; don't we? :-) "The apostle having cleared the law from the charge of being the cause either of sin or death, and taken the blame to himself, proceeds to give an account of the struggle and combat he found in himself between the flesh and spirit; "that which I do, I allow not". That which he did was evil, since he allowed not of it; but this is to be understood not of any notorious crime committed by him, and repeated again and again; nor of a sinful course of life, for before his conversion he was not a profane man, but externally moral; and after his conversion, had his conversation in the world by the grace of God in righteousness and holiness; a vicious course of life being contrary to the grace of God implanted in him, and the doctrines of grace professed by him; but of internal lusts, the workings of corruptions in his heart, and which are real actions of the mind, together with the various frailties and infirmities of life: when that apostle says that what he did, ginwskw, "I know not": his meaning is, not that he was utterly ignorant of them, of their nature and operations; that he was insensible of their motions, and unconcerned about them; for his sense of them, and concern for them, are expressed by him in the strongest terms, "I know", "I find", "I see", "O wretched man" --John Gill Slogging along...:-) John |
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1206 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209396 | ||
Dear Tim: The law of God reveals to us the exceeding sinfulness of sin. Without the law of God we would not know sin. Our flesh i.e. the old nature, does not know God nor does it seek God. What we need to realize, as Christians is that by that law as elevated by Christ Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, is that sin, revealed by the law, equals every idol thought, every idol deed, and anything at all that separates us from God. Do we suppose that we can live as Christians without ever sinning? Are we so pious and perfect that we can say we do not sin? Can you? Can I? I cant! But I know we have an advocate in Jesus Christ, the only one who was and ever will be, the one and only one who was and is without sin. Who died and was raised so that we can come to Him when we fail and fall on our faces. Like the Red Heifer whose ashes were sprinkled on those who sinned along the wilderness trail though they could not practically set up the Tabernacle so to give sacrifice for that sin. We too have a Red Heifer in Jesus Christ, so we can be atoned for our sins as we walk that wilderness trail i.e. the world. I think brother Steve (humbledbyhisgrace) gave good argument for this with Scripture references in post 209379 I doubt I can do better so I respectfully refer you that post that you seem to disagree with anyway. I don’t know about anyone else but I fail all the time and have need for Jesus to clean me up from time to time and times are too numerous to count, to my shame, but I praise God for the right to be called a child of God and have the right to come to the Cross of Christ in my daily walk to have forgiveness for my sins and life everlasting. I believe Paul makes this abundantly clear in Romans 6-8. Amen God bless John |
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1207 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209474 | ||
ah.... NO! :-( 1 John 3:2 " Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as [YET] what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is." [CAPS and brackets for emphases] You see we are NOT perfect YET, though we no longer live in and for sin, and the Spirit of God that lives and dwells in us strives not to sin, and the difference between the two conditions is indeed light and dark, and this is the "new creation". We are nonetheless NOT perfect YET and we do fail! "But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit." 2 Cor 3:18 From day to day we strive to and come closer to perfection and Christ-likeness, but we are NOT there YET! God bless John |
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1208 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209475 | ||
Hi again Lookn, by the way the NO was not to your question, but an emphatic NO to that doctrine! :-) John |
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1209 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209510 | ||
Dear Tim: Evidently we may be in agreement more than disagreement but just seem to stress different aspects of doctrine? So you are saying we don't have to sin, in the general sense of sin: which is a given really. But that there are depths of sin we don't grasp or are not particularly aware of; so we sin regardless of how hard we try in ourselves not to, because we don't understand it to the depth that God does? Of course thats a really short exposé; but basically; is that what you are saying? God bless John |
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1210 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209518 | ||
Lookn': You wrote: "I have great regard for “Wesley-Finney-Parham” (especially Finney although disappointed with Parham)" Especially Finney-!? Perhaps you should take a closer look at the teachings of Finney? Excerpt: The Disturbing Legacy of Charles Finney by Dr. Michael Horton " Finney’s doctrine of justification rests upon a denial of the doctrine of original sin. Held by both Roman Catholics and Protestants, this biblical teaching insists that we are all born into this world inheriting Adam’s guilt and corruption. We are, therefore, in bondage to a sinful nature. As someone has said, "We sin because we’re sinners": the condition of sin determines the acts of sin, rather than vice versa. But Finney followed Pelagius, the fifth-century heretic, who was condemned by more church councils than any other person in church history, in denying this doctrine. Finney believed that human beings were capable of choosing whether they would be corrupt by nature or redeemed, referring to original sin as an "anti-scriptural and nonsensical dogma" (p.179). In clear terms, Finney denied the notion that human beings possess a sinful nature (ibid.). Therefore, if Adam leads us into sin, not by our inheriting his guilt and corruption, but by following his poor example, this leads logically to the view of Christ, the Second Adam, as saving by example. This is precisely where Finney takes it, in his explanation of the atonement. The first thing we must note about the atonement, Finney says, is that Christ could not have died for anyone else’s sins than his own. His obedience to the law and his perfect righteousness were sufficient to save him, but could not legally be accepted on behalf of others. That Finney’s whole theology is driven by a passion for moral improvement is seen on this very point: "If he [Christ] had obeyed the Law as our substitute, then why should our own return to personal obedience be insisted upon as a sine qua non of our salvation" (p.206)? In other words, why would God insist that we save ourselves by our own obedience if Christ’s work was sufficient? The reader should recall the words of St. Paul in this regard, "I do not nullify the grace of God’, for if justification comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing." Galatians 2:21 http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar81.htm |
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1211 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209531 | ||
Dear Tim: Well now that sounds a lot better. :-) I can pretty much agree with that simplified version. :-) But you go much deeper in your posts. :-( And I don't see where I misunderstood what you or our esteemed man of godly wisdom have been saying. Going over the posts of this thread I don't think I've missed anything. You see the thing that really bothers me Tim, is this slant that, man can do more for himself than what God is doing for us. Frankly, it sounds pious and insincere. I hope this doesn't offend, but that honesty is, how it looks to me. I'd rather give God ALL the credit then say that we can do anything. God dwelling in us is the only reason we are able to do anything at all that is good. And I guess I see that as being missing from what I've read in the posts of this thread. So please don't say I've misunderstood you my friend, because I do understand it, and it troubles me that you teach these things. It surprises me too, Tim, that you would aline with one who has such a worldly view of Scripture given the history of the production of this somewhat tumultuous postings, and tail chasing circular logic, since coming to this forum. And I see too that maybe you have some trouble with the fact that I don't give man any credit; and I guess that is why you feel the need to correct me in my theology? Well, thanks, but no thanks. :-) I'm doing just fine right were I am. Resting in the arms of Jesus. :-) Knowing that, "we are still frail and fallible human beings" that cant be trusted to be perfect, it's nice to know that Jesus can be relied on to impute righteousness to us. All that I am that may seem good, all that I know that may seem good, and anything in me that is good, is from God... You know Tim, I spent a long time looking at Churches from the outside. I can tell you for certain that the Church is under a microscope. If we don't think the world is watching; that is a huge mistake. And the world sees that the Church thinks it's better then them. This too is a very sad state of affairs; we are NOT better then them; we are just blessed. And we need to get off our Spiritual high horse, show a little humility, and gratefulness to God, by giving credit where credit is due. And stop all this nonsense of man being somehow able to do something on his own. Man-centeredness as opposed to God-centeredness. That's one of the very reasons that the world just doesn't believe Christians, because they can see so plainly the hypocrisy that dwells in so many Churches. This is something that, Finney, championed, by the way and it is something that is very wrong with the emerging Church. Very sad indeed-.. :-( Just my two cents. God bless John |
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1212 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209534 | ||
What have I read that was written by Finney? Enough to know he was a heretic! Much of what was written in my last post to you my friend, is in Finneys own words, and "quoted" directly from, Finneys own writing. I think I'm done with line of discussion. It's going in circles as do many of your posts. For instance, you wrote in post 209516 in response to Doc; "I fail to see how, in reading my post, you made that assessment that I am building doctrine on experience;" Well, you wrote in post 209291 "I believe I have met at least two people in my lifetime who have "perfectly kept" the first commandment," I believe this what called personal experience. So, pleas stop going down that path of accusing people of reading into what you say because this is NOT what is happening here. Pay attention to what YOU say, and you will have a lot less honest aptness for nonsensical argument. Good day to you sir. John |
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1213 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209553 | ||
Dear Tim: I been waying things in the balance: So I've been praying today on my response to you, and about apologies to you. Tim I don't want to take back what I said. But just to say, I'm sorry for coming on strong and looking like I'm being personal. That was not my intent. My intent was just to make an observation. Though it did seem like I may have been blaming you for these things, that wasn't my focus, though it may have looked like it. I know though I come across kinda strong sometimes, I continue to work on it with prayer and also paying attention to what I say. With God's help we can be sure I will continue to improve. :-) I am the youngest of eight Children, who solved problems with a lot of yelling and hitting. My mom and dad too... :-( I'm not blaming my circumstances, I know that is just an excuse. I don't have a high opinion of excuses, they are all lame! But Tim, If you think I'm bad now, you should have known me before I got saved! :-) I think what I said, must be said, but I said it, not so nice... :-( Sorry Tim, God bless John p.s. By the way Tim, though I agree with most of what you say; I still think you think you know who the "Wretched Man" is; but you just think you do. :-) |
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1214 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209566 | ||
Hi Tim: I don't have time to go over all the Scriptures with you, (sorry Tim) so I will simply refer you to some helpful commentaries by men who, I'm sure, spent more time in the Scriptures then the two of us put together. These are only two, mind you, and there are many others that would tell you as well that, your exegeses is in error. Romans 7:24 "Ver. 24. O wretched man that I am,.... Not as considered in Christ, for as such he was a most happy man, being blessed with all spiritual blessings, and secure from all condemnation and wrath; nor with respect to his inward man, which was renewing day by day, and in which he enjoyed true spiritual peace and pleasure; nor with regard to his future state, of the happiness of which he had no doubt: he knew in whom he had believed; he was fully persuaded nothing could separate him from the love of God; and that when he had finished his course, he should have the crown of righteousness laid up for him: but this exclamation he made on account of the troubles he met with in his Christian race; and not so much on account of his reproaches, persecutions, and distresses for Christ's sake; though these were many and great, yet these did not move or much affect him, he rather took delight and pleasure in them; but on account of that continual combat between, the flesh and spirit in him; or by reason of that mass of corruption and body of sin he carried about with him; ranch such a complaint Isaiah makes, Isa 6:5, which in the Septuagint is, w talav egw, "O miserable I". This shows him to be, and to speak of himself as a regenerate man; since an unregenerate man feels no uneasiness upon that score, or makes any complaint of it, saying as here, who shall deliver me from the body of this death? or "this body of death"; by which some understand, this mortal body, or the body of flesh subject to death for sin; and suppose the apostle expresses his desire to quit it, to depart out of it, that he might enjoy an immortal life, being weary of the burden of this mortal body he carried about with him:"-- John Gill "Verses 23-25 This passage does not represent the apostle as one that walked after the flesh, but as one that had it greatly at heart, not to walk so. And if there are those who abuse this passage, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction, yet serious Christians find cause to bless God for having thus provided for their support and comfort. We are not, because of the abuse of such as are blinded by their own lusts, to find fault with the scripture, or any just and well warranted interpretation of it. And no man who is not engaged in this conflict, can clearly understand the meaning of these words, or rightly judge concerning this painful conflict, which led the apostle to bemoan himself as a wretched man, constrained to what he abhorred. He could not deliver himself; and this made him the more fervently thank God for the way of salvation revealed through Jesus Christ, which promised him, in the end, deliverance from this enemy. So then, says he, I myself, with my mind, my prevailing judgement, affections, and purposes, as a regenerate man, by Divine grace, serve and obey the law of God; but with the flesh, the carnal nature, the remains of depravity, I serve the law of sin, which wars against the law of my mind. Not serving it so as to live in it, or to allow it, but as unable to free himself from it, even in his very best state, and needing to look for help and deliverance out of himself. It is evident that he thanks God for Christ, as our deliverer, as our atonement and righteousness in himself, and not because of any holiness wrought in us." --Matthew Henry By the way Tim, I was not yelling, if I were yelling, IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE THIS !!!!! If you would like to read some more on this Tim, I'd be glad to dig around for you when I have more time. Right now I have been asked to go speak at a funeral. God bless John |
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1215 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209634 | ||
Lookn' The life-works of Finney have been soundly denounced by orthodox Christianity. Upset? no.. just sad... :-( God bless John |
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1216 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209714 | ||
Dear Lookn' You are putting word's into peoples mouths. No one said that he claimed to be an unbeliever in Jesus, or that we have knowledge of his salvation. if I were you I'd cool that Lookn', you may be treading on some thin ice there my friend. Just my two cents :-) John |
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1217 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209715 | ||
Dear Lookn' Your post is very well done, but nonetheless I believe at this point we maybe are just fostering a debate. I think it is time, and long over time to, put this one to bed. Okay? Please review the "Terms of Use." Be very sure that you understand and agree to comply with these guidelines. Failure to do so may result in revocation of your privilege to post. God bless John |
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1218 | Can we live life without sinning? | Rom 6:12 | stjohn | 209724 | ||
Mornin' Tim: Tim, can you find Finney's words for me that, say he clearly 'did' accept the substitutionary death of Christ? You wrote: "1) Vicarious death of Christ: Some have argued that Finney did not believe in the substitutionary death of Christ. Based upon his own comments, he clearly did. So, this charge is false." Finney wrote: [Subhead:] Foundation of the justification of penitent believers in Christ. What is the ultimate ground or reason of their justification? "It is not founded in Christ's literally suffering the exact penalty of the law for them, and in this sense literally purchasing their justification and eternal salvation" From Finney's [Systematic Theology, 373]. That seems to say pretty clearly that, he did not accept 'Christ Death' as justification for sinners. Where did he say otherwise, that would contradict the above quote; can you show me please? Thanks. God bless John |
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1219 | Life span, why not in the 100's now? | Rom 6:23 | stjohn | 198440 | ||
"yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years: meaning not the term of man's life, reduced to this from the length of time he lived before the flood; but this designs the space that God would give for repentance, before he proceeded to execute his vengeance on him; this is that "longsuffering of God" the apostle speaks of in the afore mentioned place, "that waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing"; and so both the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan interpret it of a space of an hundred and twenty years given them to repent:"-- John Gill's exposition of the whole Bible | ||||||
1220 | Life span, why not in the 100's now? | Rom 6:23 | stjohn | 198453 | ||
Hi Jesusman, Here are a few more commentaries that may give some insight in this area. By the way, it's not uncommon to take the first interpretation as you call it, that was my first interpretation as well. :-) God bless John Gen 6:3,Yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years; so long I will defer the judgment they deserve, and give them space to prevent it by their repentance and reformation. Justice said, Cut them down; but mercy interceded, Lord, let them alone this year also; and so far mercy prevailed, that a reprieve was obtained for six-score years. Note, The time of God’s patience and forbearance towards provoking sinners is sometimes long, but always limited: --Matthew Henery Gen 6:2 That the a sons of God saw the daughters b of men that they [were] c fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (a) The children of the godly who began to degenerate. (b) Those that had wicked parents, as if from Cain. (c) Having more respect for their beauty and worldly considerations than for their manners and godliness. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always d strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an e hundred and twenty years. (d) Because man could not be won by God’s leniency and patience by which he tried to win him, he would no longer withhold his vengeance. (e) Which time span God gave man to repent before he would destroy the earth, (ref, 1Peter 3:20 ) --Geneva Study Bible 6:3 flesh--utterly, hopelessly debased. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive--Christ, as God, had by His Spirit inspiring Enoch, Noah, and perhaps other prophets (1Peter3:20, 2Peter2:5, Jude1:14, preached repentance to the antediluvians; but they were incorrigible. yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years--It is probable that the corruption of the world, which had now reached its height, had been long and gradually increasing, and this idea receives support from the long respite granted. -- Jamieson, Fausset, Brown,Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible Genesis 6:2 marks the breaking down of the separation between the godly line of Seth and the godless line of Cain, and so the failure of the testimony to Jehovah committed to the line of Seth (Genesis 4:26). For apostasy there is no remedy but judgment ; Isaiah 1:2-7, 24,25; Hebrews 6:4-8; 10:26-31. Noah, "a preacher of righteousness," is given 120 years, but he won no convert, and the judgment predicted by his great- grandfather fell ; Jude 1:14-15: Gen 7:11. (Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)) Gen 6:1 Men began to multiply upon the face of the earth - This was the effect of the blessing,Gen 1:28, and yet man's corruption so abused this blessing, that it turned into a curse. 6:2 The sons of God - Those who were called by the name of the Lord, and called upon that name, married the daughters of men - Those that were profane, and strangers to God. The posterity of Seth did not keep to themselves as they ought, but intermingled with the race of Cain: they took them wives of all that they chose - They chose only by the eye: They saw that they were fair - Which was all they looked at. 6:3 My spirit shall not always strive with man - The spirit then strove by Noah's preaching, 1Peter 3:19. and by inward checks, but 'twas in vain with the most of men; therefore saith God, he shall not always strive, for that he also is flesh - Incurably corrupt and sensual, so that 'tis labour lost to strive with him. He also, that is, all, one as well as another; they are all sunk into the mire of flesh. Yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years - So long will I defer the judgment they deserve, and give them space to prevent it by their repentance and reformation. Justice said, cut them down; but mercy interceded, Lord, let them alone this year also; and so far mercy prevailed, that a reprieve was obtained for six score years. (John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible) |
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