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41 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57009 | ||
I know that people repented and were baptized when they heard the "gospel of Christ" preached because the bible tells me so. I know when I watch Christian TV or listen to Christian Radio not to mention all the church services I have sat through the entire gospel is not preached including baptism and if it not preached it is not heard and if it is not heard how can one make a clear decision? So what don't I know??? The bible is our example!!! | ||||||
42 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57035 | ||
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Paul in speaking to the bretheren (saved), , I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received (already received), and where in you stand (I take this to mean they have already "believed" were baptized and now they are believers (belonging to the family of God). 2By which also you are saved (already baptized, born again, saved), if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have "believed" in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scripture. 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.5 And that he (Jesus) was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve. The reason baptism is not mention is because Paul is speaking to the brethern, believers, born again already. |
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43 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57036 | ||
Again one scripture quoted by itself. Act 16:31 is a good EXAMPLE of why we who do believe need to be baptized. The story starts in Act 16:22 Paul and Silas were imprisioned and the jailer was commanded to guard them securely; 25 and after midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hyms to of praise to God. 26 and there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison house were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened, and everyone's chains were unfastened. 27 And when the jailer had been roused out of sleep and had seen the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisioners had escaped. 28 Paul cried outwith a loud voice, saying, Do yourself not harm, for we are all here! 30 And after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household." 32 They spoke the word of the Lord (the entire gospel of Christ) to him together with all who were in his house. 33 And he took them that very house of the night and washed their wounds (Paul and Silas from their blows), and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. We know they used water here to baptize because they washed their wounds also and you need water to wash wounds. Notice they went they very hour of NIGHT to be baptized after him and his household had heard the entire word of the Lord preached to them. |
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44 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57037 | ||
A covenant is a contract between two. I willing made a choice after hearing the gospel. The covenant I made with God was that I believed that by looking to the Ten Commandments I realized I was a sinner and needed a savior. I believe that God the Father sent his Son through a virgin birth, who died, was burried, and rose again and took my place on the cross. Through baptism I died with Christ and was raised anew. I was filled with the Holy Spirit of promise. I agree to obey God and his commandments. Baptism was also my signature to the covenant that I have with God. Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God. You have to be Spirit. My concern is for those who have excepted Christ and for the unsaved. Many have not heard the entire gospel. When they are not preaching the entire gospel, which is including if you "believe" you should be baptized. When or if a new believer reads their bible and see's the word baptism they will not know what it means or it can cause confusion. I have also been asking many teenagers who are in Christian families if their kids are baptized and they say no and we wonder why we have kids raised in a christian home and they have no power to live like Christians. These same kids say they believe. Where is the power from the Holy Spirit to lead them in paths of righteousness? |
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45 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57039 | ||
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46 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57001 | ||
Greeting Nolan! What you are saying is that baptism in water has nothing to do with salvation or baptism in the Holy Spirit or for that matter circumcision of the heart. You believe that when you first "believe" with your mind or in your heart that you are a "sinner" and that Jesus is the Son of God that has been sent to save you, you are "born again" and filled with the Holy Spirit and your heart is spiritually circumcised . This is when you recieve salvation. You believe that baptism in water is at a later time commanded for those who believe. Am I hearing you correctly? |
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47 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57005 | ||
Greetings! Your statement is correct! There hasn't been a change. The average person doesn't realize what the "Sabbath" (seventh day of the week), which would be Saturday is reffering to. Since our world revolves from Monday through Sunday, which would mean that the seventh day of the week would be Sunday. God only made one day Holy and sanctified it and it was the Sabbath (seventh day of the week.) Satan always has a conterfiet for the truth. The truth is there is only one creator of heaven and earth and everything in it. The true God is our creator. When we worship HIm on the day he made Holy we are stating we worship the true God our creator! |
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48 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57010 | ||
You use the text in Luke that the criminal on the cross didn't have time to be baptized so was he saved? I ask you this question...how many more examples can you give me when a person died and was not baptized in water? |
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49 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57013 | ||
I would like you to bury me with the word of God, commentaries are from man and are swayed by the doctrine of the person writting them. Can you give me any other examples because I can give you many examples of when people heard the "gospel of Christ" preached they repented and were baptized immediately. If you can give me other examples other than the one time exception of the criminal on the cross with Christ I can search the scriputer futher for the truth myself. Thanks for your help! P.S. I am new at this, so don't get so impatient. I thought that this is what these forum were for was to learn from each other. |
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50 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57028 | ||
I know God didn't mean for this book to be full of confusion. He expected a child to be able to understand it. If this is true and we start at the "beginning" of the NT, which would be Matthew and read forward through the book of Acts (it doesn't take that long)the message you will find is after they heard the Gospel of Christ preached, and "believed" they repented and were baptized in water. This is repeated over and over as an example. Those who "believed" by the simple act of faith were baptized in water. JOhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. If, when you "believed" and are baptized in water, and at the time of emmersion you recieved the Holy Spirit (baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) you would be born again, now dead to sin and buried with him in baptism raised to walk in newness of life, born into the family of God and now a child of God, a new creation in christ, able to take communion with the Lord and abide on the vine, etc. why would you wait? This is how I see it. In verse 6 Flesh usually refers to the natural birth or sinful nature if I am correct, which would be referring to our physical birth from our mothers. If this is so, wouldn't the water in verse 5 refer to water baptism and not water and blood during natural child birth. In John 3:14 Why does it give the example of Moses lifting up the serpent referring to Num. 21:6 listed right after Jesus explaining to Nicodemus that he must be born again to enter the kingdom. In Num. IF they didn't look up they died, they had a choice and now through Christ so do we. If John 3:5 is not talking about water baptism what was the reason for the example. Then in John 3:16 it says For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotton Son, that whosoever "believes" in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. If you read this scripture alone it would seem all you have to do is believe but if you read from John 3:1 you will see that even though Nicodemus believed who Christ was (the Son of God)Jesus still told him he could not enter the kingdom of God unless he was born again JOhn 3:3. If you continue to read the entire chapter of 3 you will see that after darkness and light is explained in verse 22 they tarried and were baptizing and in 23 John was also baptizing in Aenon because there was much water there, and they came and were baptized. The entire chapter is about baptizing in water. In the book of Acts at Pentecost is the same example. REad 2:41 Lets go from here forward not in the middle of the NT we have had pleanty of examples by the time we get to Romans and 1 Cor. why does the meat of the doctrine need to be give over and over and over? |
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51 | 3 baptisms or 1, or... | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57032 | ||
Greetings! I couldn't disagree with you more in regards to Mark 16:16. I believe the KJ version of the Bible is perfect, because I serve a God who is perfect. I believe he is giving a command to the eleven, dispite their unbeif and hardness of heart (he unbraids them)(14) 15 And he said unto them, God ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to evrey creature, 16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned. This is consistant with John 3:16 and Acts 2:41 If they truely believed they were baptized with water. Water is used in baptism from Matthew through acts for immersion. What position would the Israelite be in if they would have "believed" but not put the blood over their doors? When the death angle passed over they would have been dead! I also disagree with 1 Peter 3:21 if you start with verse 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God (The Family of God), being put to death in the flesh (physical body), but quickened by the Spirit(Jesus was quicked by the Spirit during baptism in water);19 by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffereing of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, where in few, that is, 8 souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure where unto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Water in the above verses are the example of the meaning of what baptism he was referring to. I will use Jesus as my example!I know he was baptized in water and filled with the Holy Spirit during immersion. He wasn't baptized for sin but to recieve the Holy Spirit so he could give the gift to those who believe. |
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52 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57148 | ||
I agree, it seems if we don't agree with a few people on this forum there is a smart retorte. I will continue to study the bible, right or wrong about a subject at the time, and God by his holy spirit will continue to sort things out for me. | ||||||
53 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57149 | ||
Jesus was not teaching a new kind of Sabbath, the Sabbath is to worship the "true creator" God. That will never change. Even in heaven we will be worshiping on the Sabbath (Is. 66:23). He only made Holy ONE day and that was the Sabbath (Saturday) and sanctified it, he was showing by example that it was okay to do "good" on the Sabbath. There were many "man" made rules pertaining to what you could and couldn't do on the Sabbath. In Colossians 2:16 KJV Let no man there for judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of a holday or of the new moon or of the sabbath days. I have noticed in other versions the word "days" is "day" or "Sabbaths", which would mean the seventh day Sabbath. But in the KJV is say "days" which is referring to the festivals (ordinances). This has nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath God has commanded us to keep Holy. Also read starting at verse 14 through 17 and Eph. 2:15 |
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54 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57150 | ||
Greetings Kalos, Your response is flat rude! This person hasn't twisted scripture, the Protestant doctrine has. He's just trying to figure out the truth and I can tell you from experience it's not that easy after you have been taught years of false teachings. If you know so much why don't you try teaching what you know or sharing from your experience, how we can no the truth! Where is the love of Jesus in this response? Maybe you need a vacation! I don't know who is worse you or Nolan in your responses. Is this forum only for "scholars" such as you two, or can't average people ask question and share their beliefs. I am not opposed to learning something new as long as it can be proved with scripture and I don't mean just one pluck here and there to make a point. I also like to hear other peoples questions because it makes me think and it also answers my questions many time. Sincerely |
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55 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57151 | ||
The Sabbath (seventh day of the week, which is Saturday), is a different day than the first day of the week, which would be what we call Sunday. The first day of the week, which we call Sunday is not a Sabbath day. The Sabbath is kept from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday (approx. 6pm) after 6pm consider it a new day which would be no longer the Sabbath but the first day of the week. I have found when studying the Sabbath to determine truth you should read all scripture with this time factor in mind. The world does not live by this time factor which, could cause confusion when studying the subject of the Sabbath. |
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