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1 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194731 | ||
Just as the verse in Tim says, he gave himself a ransom for all. |
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2 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194718 | ||
Hi John, I haven't answered CDBJ because if you notice what I responded to him, I do not know what he is asking. I want to know what scripture he is wanting to know about the definition of grace in. And yes, repeaing and sowing is for the here and now. Just look at the scriptures I posted, I do not see any reason to think something which Christ said is not for us today, or what Paul said for that matter. So yes, its for the here and now. As for people being persecuted, that happens, Christ said it would happen, so I believe it will happen. Just like he said when you sow you will reap a harvest, I believe that too! God Bless. |
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3 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194715 | ||
I'm sorry, whats your question? I'm not sure on what you are talking about. | ||||||
4 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194714 | ||
Azure, If all you want to do is preach the need for salvation that is fine, and if thats the ministry God has called you to, then way to go. However as for me, I preaach that, as well as the entire Bible, I know some preachers who nver preach on end times because they aren't called to do so, and some preach on it way more than most preachers. However we must remember that just because thats not what you'd watn to focus on, doens't mean its wrong for some other preacher to focus on. God Bless. |
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5 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194711 | ||
I am not sure what that has to do with the conversation here, grace comes into play throughout the entire scripture, such as when gifts and grace is translated etc. Can you be more specific on a particular verse? | ||||||
6 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194710 | ||
And you have addresed your concern cleary, I hope I've cleared up the fact that seed-faith as I talk about it, is not only tithe that I mean, I mean all that you give. And one point I'd like to ask about, is you said that you believe teaching it the way I do would make people look to the end result and not do it to honor God. I understand that can happen, but just like the scriptures tells us that if we love God and keep his commandments, he will manifest himself to us, some people could take that and say well I will only walk in Love because I want to see Jesus, instead of doing it, simply because Love is what would please him. Anyway we slice it, it seems that we can have times when people want to use scripture and be selfish with it. HOwever its not our job to not speak the word because of how some might take it. For instance, some get mad when you say homosexuality is a sin, but we can't stop preaching it. |
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7 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194708 | ||
Azure, Perhaps there is a bit of confusion, I was not using these scriptures to show tithing is a necessity. When I talk about seed-faith, I'm not specficially talking about tithing. I am simply talking about those things which are above and beyond my tithe. Let me put it this way, every increase that comes into my home, 10 percent I give to my local church, I believe thats the church God wants me involved in and so I believe thats where he wants me to put that 10 percent. Everything above and beyond the 10 percent, such as money God leads me to sow into other ministries, or outreaches such as work being done in the worn-torn area in Sudan, that is what I believe those scriptures, ( except the Malachi, cause it specificially says tithe ) is referrring to. For instance when Jesus said 'give and it shall be....' I am talking about all seed thats sown, again, I'm not trying to say those scriptures prove that we should tithe, they don't even prove we should give, they just tell us what happens when we do. Hope that cleared some of the confusion up. God Bless |
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8 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194706 | ||
I don't believe you can bribe God at all. | ||||||
9 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194704 | ||
Anothing thing I can say in regard to your post, this discussion you have had with me about seed faith started with me quoting scripture, and I've gotten no response about it, instead I've been talked down to, about how 'seed faith' isn't a phrase in the Bible, yet, you haven't dealt with the scriptures, this is a Bible study forum, tell me how these scriptures do not outline sowing and reaping. AGain, this is from my earlier post. Note: Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke 18:28-30 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting. Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it]. 2 Cor 9:6-8 But this [I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God [is] able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all [things], may abound to every good work: Thats a great start! |
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10 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194702 | ||
My point here is to see you respond to the scripture references I gave you. IF they do not show the laws of sowing and reaping, then what are they of? I do have love for all people. And I have talked scripture, I do contribute to this forum, if you don't wish to talk about the scriptures I post, then by all means, don't respond. I can't help that I'm the first person who doesnt' agree with everything you say, that doesnt' mean I don't love you brother. I'm sorry you think that my only reason being here is to argue, but I think if you'll read through my posts, you'll see I have done nothing but try to talk scripture, as I've done in this forum, however I've gotten NO response back on a lot of scriptures I've posted, instead I get messages about how I'm not contributing. |
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11 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194695 | ||
I can assure you, that I would rather someone keep their money and use it for their own selfish purposes, than to give into the local church and not be cheerful about it. I have never, nor will ever condone forcing people to give. Just like you can't force them to give their heart to JEsus, you also can't force a man to have a love and respect for his creator. However, if someone gets offended from the fact that the Bible has said not bringing tithes into the storehouse is robbing God, well then they can just get offended. Just like I won't rip out the scriptures that tell us certain lifestyles will not inherit the kingdom of God, that offends a lot of people too, even 'christians' at times. But we can't water down the Word to keep people happy. |
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12 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194693 | ||
No, seed-faith as a phrase is not found in scripture. Its amazing how instead of wanting to debate what the scriptures I posted say you instead what to be nitpicky and act as if I'm trying to even claim that the prhase 'seed-faith' is in the Bible. I am merely using that phrase because someone else on here called it that, and what it means to me is exactly what those scriptures I posted mean. Its a much quicker way to say it, than to quote word for word each and every scripture that pertains to beign a giver. |
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13 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194690 | ||
My understanding is what the Word says. For example, when Paul wrote that if you sow bountifully you will reap bountifully. My understanding is that if I sow bountifully I will reap bountifully. When Jesus said that if you leave those things you will recieve a hundredfold in this present time, and in the one to come life everlasting, I understand that if I leave things such as those I recieve a hundredfold more in this present time and in the one to come life everlasting. My understanding comes from what the Word says. No need to use my own words, those scriptures speak for themselves. |
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14 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | miller521 | 194688 | ||
If you can't handle a discussion without getting so mad, then I understand you not wanting to talk about it. However what I said still stands, I read Hebrews chapter 1. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets. Good scripture, but I have no clue what you are trying to point out in that. Its clear what it says, we all know that he has talked by his Prophets, we have the books of the Prophets. And we know that he spoke to us by Jesus. Again, your point in this scripture I don't understand. God Bless. |
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15 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | miller521 | 194687 | ||
REad through John Chapter 1, it tells us that Jesus IS the Word of God. So no matter if the perfect is saying 'Word' or 'Christ' its the same thing. The perfected Word has always been, it was in the beginning. If we were to say Paul was saying when the perfect Word has come, well he would have to be in past tense, because the perfected Word already came from God, it existed in the beginning and was made manifested among men when he was born in the manger. | ||||||
16 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194686 | ||
I don't understand what you are trying to ask me here about the Bible. Sorry! | ||||||
17 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194685 | ||
Really? How about the scriptures I posted? Are they not in your Bible? Did Paul never say that if you sow bountifully you'll reap bountifully? | ||||||
18 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194683 | ||
I don't have to use my own words, I gave you scripture. Its sipmly the fact that as we sow seed into God's kingdom, we have faith that what he said in his Word about sowing will come to pass. He is the one who said that when we give, its given back to us in good measure, he's the one who said none have left houses and brethen, and various other things which they gave up, and that those who gave up things will recieve a hundrefold back in this present time, and life everlasting in the one to come. Paul wrote that if you sow bountifully, you reap bountifully. Don't have to give it to you in my own words, those scriptures should suffice. IF they have another meaning, please explain. |
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19 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194682 | ||
I was simply saying that you can't say that everyone who believes in 'seed-faith' says those things. Its like saying everyone who is black steals cars. Its an ignorant statement, which lacks the command of love which Jesus gave us. | ||||||
20 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194637 | ||
I believe we certainly should give the first part of all our increase, just like Abrham did, for him it would have been in livestock, for us today it would be paper money, though of course it could also be in giving some of what you are trained to do. Perhaps God would want a doctor to take his medical expertise and volunteer somewhere a time or two a month. But as for our increase, yes, we can use the example given to us by Abrham. As for the temple, our bodies are his temple, make sure you bring it to your local church, where God can direct your pastor to distribute where God sees fit. |
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