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621 | can you lose your salvation | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 38369 | ||
Zacht: In one of your recent posts you write: "No need to take offense. My reply was to kalos, but I welcome your response as well." I originally wrote: " The believer's assurance/security "should hold no interest to you" and "the answer is not of any importance." ??? I couldn't disagree more. ... As for the Eternal Security vs. Eternal Insecurity debate, I don't care to get into that." I stated in plain English that the point of my posting was to disagree with the statements "The believer's assurance/security "should hold no interest to you" and "the answer is not of any importance." In your reply to me you go on to argue against the doctrine of Eternal Security, even though in my post to which you replied I was NOT arguing for or against Eternal Security. Now you allege to Joe, "No need to take offense. My reply was to kalos, but I welcome your response as well." How was your note a reply to me, when your note had virtually nothing to do with the point of my note? |
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622 | Was Satan on earth before Adam | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 40437 | ||
Exodus 17: 14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. Exodus 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 17:14. "The reference to 'Write . . . in a book' is the first mention of writing as related to Scripture and official Hebrew records. ... Moses evidently kept a diary of Israel's journey through the wilderness as implied in Numbers 33:2. Certainly this is contrary to the earlier liberal view that Moses could not have written and did not." (The King James Study Bible, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1988) |
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623 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 41408 | ||
1) You will never find the word "eteranl" in God's Word. 2) Using the concordance feature at (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/) I made an interesting discovery. This is what I found when I looked for the words lose and salvation in the same verse; and also when I looked for the words lost and salvation in the same verse. King James Version "Your search query for 'lose salvation' did not return any results. Please modify your search query and try again." "Your search query for 'lost salvation' did not return any results. Please modify your search query and try again." (Originally posted Sat 12/1/01, 1:59am.) |
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624 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 41476 | ||
The Bible abundantly affirms the Christian's eternal security; therefore Scripture must not be interpreted as teaching that believers in Christ can lose their salvation. See Jn 3:15-16,36; 5:24; 10:27-30; Rom 8:35,37-39; Eph 1:12-14; 4:30; Phil 1:6; Heb 10:12-14; 1 Pet 1:3-5. Here on the Forum the debate over Eternal Security vs. Eternal Insecurity has raged for more than a year. Historically this question has been disputed for centuries. |
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625 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 41546 | ||
John 3:16 from 7 Translations. NASB. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him WILL NOT perish, but have eternal life. Amplified. For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him SHALL NOT perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. New International Version. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him SHALL NOT perish but have eternal life. New Living Translation. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him WILL NOT perish but have eternal life. GOD'S WORD Translation. God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him WILL NOT die but will have eternal life. Holman Christian Standard Bible. For God loved the world in this way: He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him WILL NOT perish but have eternal life. Contemporary English Version. God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has faith in him WILL have eternal life and never really die. (Emphasis added.) |
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626 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 41549 | ||
You are indeed correct. We are "kept by the power of God." Not by holding on and holding out, but "by the power of God." Genuine saving faith is the kind of faith that perseveres. Yet perseverance is the result, not the cause of salvation. Jude 1:21 "Keep yourselves in the love of God." God does the saving and God does the keeping. A proper understanding of what salvation is and all that God does when he saves a soul will show that we do not keep ourselves. There is NOTHING we can do to earn, keep, or add anything to our salvation. |
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627 | Show in the Bible once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 41595 | ||
New Creature: I welcome you to the Forum. Your questions and answers also are welcome here. I bear you nothing but good will. So please do not think I am being unkind or rude, for such is not my intention. By searching the archives for my previous postings, I have found more than 225 Questions, Answers and Notes I have written regarding Eternal Security. Keywords used in my searches include: "Heb 6:4," "security," "once saved always saved," "sole condition," "election," "aposta" (which will find entries containing both "apostasy" and "apostate"), and "lose" and "salvation" together. Having submitted more than 225 postings on Eternal Security, I feel I have said all that I will ever have to say on the subject. I commend you for the courtesy you have displayed throughout this thread. I also commend you in your diligence in this matter. For whenever one defends their position, in the process they gain more knowledge about both sides of an issue. Up to a certain point in these debates, there is much to be learned about the issues by all concerned. Thus a debate carried on in a spirit of love, humility and mutual respect can be both healthy and profitable. Finally, the security of the believer is not an issue that should divide Christians. I will never be convinced that it is possible for one who has received salvation by faith to lose his salvation. Yet, I would not say that anyone who disagrees is not saved. Good and honest Christians, past and present, have disagreed over this issue for centuries. It would be a mistake to pronounce eternal condemnation and destruction on the proponents of one side or the other. And always remember: Once we have discovered the truth of a thing in the Bible, we never stand in judgment of the truth. It stands in judgment of us. Grace to you, kalos |
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628 | What is the best version of the Bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42156 | ||
You make a very good point here. In support of your posting, I would like to add the following: The translators of the King James Version said, " ... variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures" and "We affirm and avow that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession ... contains the Word of God, nay is the Word of God." (Holy Bible, Contemporary English Version, New York: American Bible Society, 1995) Note: "the very meanest translation of the Bible in English ... is the Word of God." ("Meanest" here is used in the following sense of the word "mean" -- lacking distinction or eminence : HUMBLE) |
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629 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42580 | ||
To Judge Raven: You say Joe has "been blinded by the Calvinist viewpoint." Then by what have you been blinded? |
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630 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42622 | ||
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Psalm 58:3 (KJV) Here is a verse of Scripture that goes right along with Psalm 51:5. |
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631 | Pretribulation or slightly after ? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42635 | ||
You write: "This rumor that the pre-trib view started in the 19th century is not accurate." That the Church will be raptured before the Tribulation "is only one of the major positions on last things. "The other basic views are all post-tribuational . . . The historic view, or the view held generally by the church since apostolic times, is that the Tribulation is future and that Christ will return to earth after the Tribulation and will meet his saints on the way in the rapture. (...) "From the above views, we can see that the majority of the opinions are post-tribulational. The only view that is pre-tribulational is the dispensational viewpoint, which became popular during the 1800's through the teaching of a man named Darby in the British Isles. Darby's teachings were popularized in America..." (www.equip.org/free/DS320.htm). |
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632 | Pretribulation or slightly after ? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42639 | ||
You write: "This rumor that the pre-trib view started in the 19th century is not accurate." Pretribulationalism "This view was first known as "the secret" or "any moment rapture." It is a relatively new position which was first taught by the founder of the Catholic Apostolic Church, Edward Irving in the late 1820's. It was then picked up by Plymouth Brethren pastor John Nelson Darby, and he first preached on it in 1843. It came to America in the late 1800's . . . Pretribulationists teach that the return of Christ has been imminent since the days of the early church and that the church will be raptured sometime before the seventieth week begins. Although they have no Scripture that in so many words teaches it, they teach that there are no signs and the rapture could take place at any moment. The seventieth week of Daniel is therefore considered to be a seven-year period of God's judgmental "tribulation" (hence the term pretribulation). This position generally views the seventieth week as the day of the Lord's wrath from which the church is excluded." Prewrath "The Prewrath position teaches that the true church will be raptured when the great tribulation by Antichrist, inspired by Satan, is cut short by God's day-of-the-Lord wrath, which will occur between the sixth and seventh seals of Revelation, sometime during the second half of the seventieth week. The persecution associated with the great tribulation of Antichrist is viewed as the wrath of Satan, whereas the events that follow, beginning with the seventh seal, are considered the wrath of God. There is another term that is sometimes expressed, "historical premillennialism," which refers back to the teaching of the early church fathers before 325 A.D. who believed that the church would face the persecution of Antichrist and Christ would then reign for 1000 years upon the earth. With the exception of two, Origen and Clement of Alexandria, who were allegorist, they all taught this view. Prewrath is plainly and simply an expansion of this view which was biblical then and biblical now." (www.signministries.org/positions.htm) |
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633 | Who made Sunday a day of worship | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42748 | ||
Exodus 20 does NOT say to observe *a* day of rest or sabbath. What it says is: NASB Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy." NOTE: "THE sabbath", not "A sabbath." Exodus 20 does not say "that can be any day as long as it is once every seven days." What it says is: NASB Ex 20: (9) Six days you shall labor and do all your work, (10) but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God;... (11) For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. According to the text of the 10 Commandments, the sabbath day is not "any day"; it is THE SEVENTH DAY. We learn what the Bible means by what it says. |
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634 | Who made Sunday a day of worship | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42896 | ||
"Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today? " "We believe the Old Testament regulations governing Sabbath observances are ceremonial, not moral, aspects of the law. As such, they are no longer in force, but have passed away along with the sacrificial system, the Levitical priesthood, and all other aspects of Moses' law that prefigured Christ. . . . Here are the reasons we hold this view. "In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons. "The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant. "The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath. "In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). "Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle. "There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai. "When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers. "The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them. "In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath). "In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers). "The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century). "Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11). "So while we still follow the pattern of designating one day of the week a day for the Lord's people to gather in worship, we do not refer to this as "the Sabbath." (www.gty.org Click on Issues and Answers. Click on Previous Topics) |
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635 | Who made Sunday a day of worship | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42906 | ||
We learn what the Bible means by what it says. It does NOT say one thing and mean the opposite or reverse of what it says. This is the first time I've ever heard anyone imply that the wording of the 10 Commandments is ambiguous, uncertain, or in dispute. Nice work -- take one of the 10 Commandments and then twist it and explain it away until it no longer means what the words say. |
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636 | Who made Sunday a day of worship | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 43086 | ||
"Jesus did keep the Sabbath - as a perfect fulfilment of all the Law - so we don't have to." See Romans 8:4. There you will find that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us. IN us -- not FOR us. |
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637 | Lord of the Sabbath is he not | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 43315 | ||
"These people were healed because they believed if they didn't believe they couldn't have been healed." It is not true that if one did not get healed it was because he didn't have enough faith. This teaching is a dangerously false doctrine, one that has done far more harm than good. |
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638 | Lord of the Sabbath is he not | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 43322 | ||
"...let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us..." Heb. 12:1 KJV You write: "Sickness is a burden we are to lay aside every wicked imigation and burden that so easily besets us." Really? Perhaps you could tell us: What is the book, chapter and verse in the Bible where it says that. This is not at all what the Bible says in Hebrews 12:1. Not even close. Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, |
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639 | Can you lose your salvation? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 44010 | ||
Why are you telling me that? I have no need for you to lecture me. Quoting my own Note, I reiterate: "Please note: the information above is NOT MY OPINION of anything. These are objective, verifiable FACTS. There is no place in the King James Bible in which the words lose and salvation or lost and salvation occur in the same verse. It just isn't there. "Note: I am not necessarily saying the Bible does or does not teach these doctrines. ALL I am saying is that you will not find those statements in the Bible IN THOSE EXACT WORDS." Did I not make it plain that I am not discussing the doctrine of Eternal Security vs Eternal Insecurity? My note merely addressed the original question, which was: 'It says a few times in the bible to be careful not to lose your salvation. I thought that "once saved" is "always saved".' My point was and is 1) It does NOT say in the Bible to be careful not to lose your salvation. 2) The Bible does not say "once saved always saved." All I did was to clarify what the Bible does and does not SAY. I was not getting into interpretation. So why do you reply to me and lecture me on "our assurance of salvation"? Also, I see no need or biblical precedent for referring to Christ as "the 2k yr old man we call Jesus." The Lord Jesus Christ has many names and titles in the Bible. "The 2,000-year-old man" is not one of them. |
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640 | Can you lose your salvation? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 44179 | ||
Romans 3:28 (HCSB) For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law. When establishing the truth of a matter, what YOU or I believe is of no consequence. NOTHING is true because you or I believe it to be true. One's salvation or lack of it, as well as one's security/assurance or lack of it, has nothing in the world to do with works. Good works are the RESULT, not the CAUSE of salvation. You write: "either heaven or hell it's up to your works Rev 22:12." Citing Rev. 22:12 in an attempt to prove that salvation or the believer's security is a reward for our works is absurd. Eph. 2:9 (NLT) Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. Neither our salvation nor our security is a REWARD for anything that we have done. |
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