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4161 | When will 2 witnesses finish their work? | Rev 11:7 | kalos | 175869 | ||
The Two Witnesses (Rev. 11:7) (Repost) NASB Revelation 11:7 When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. '...When will the two witnesses finish their work: the first half or the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week? It is our belief that they prophesy and torment the wicked during the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week. Our reasons are thus: The unique length of the two witnesses’ ministry is proof that Revelation 10-11 coincides with the end of Daniel’s Seventieth Week...God states in Revelation 11:3 that He would "grant authority to my two witnesses and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days…." Twelve hundred and sixty days is equal to forty-two months, three and a half years or time, times, and half a time. 'These particular time references are explicitly identified only in the books of Daniel and Revelation. In every case, the same prophetic period is indicated—the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Dan. 9:27). (...) 'Revelation 11:3 is the seventh explicit reference to a three and a half year period in the books of Daniel and Revelation. The burden of proof that Revelation 11:3 does not refer to the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week lies with those who would argue differently. This question might have been left in the unsolvable category if it were not for the three woes. The strategic placement of the ministry of the two witnesses between woes one and two prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the ministry of the two witness must occur during the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week. John’s choice to place the details of the ministry of the witnesses in Revelation 11 is logical. The death of the two witnesses coincides with the end of the Seventieth Week and provides another reason for John to "prophesy against many peoples and nations and tongues and kings..."' To read more go to: http://revelationcommentary.org/ 11_chapter.html |
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4162 | The Fall of Satan | Rev 12:4 | kalos | 166204 | ||
The Fall of Satan 'There is debate among scholars regarding the time of the fall of Satan. Some say that he fell when he moved Eve to disobey God. Others state that Satan fell sometime before that and merely manifested his adversarial nature in the Garden. Still others say that there was a great battle in heaven long before the Garden of Eden and that Satan took one third of the angels with him.' ____________________ www.carm.org/questions/whois_satan.htm |
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4163 | The Fall of Satan | Rev 12:4 | kalos | 166255 | ||
Mark: You bring up an important point -- and a true one -- when you mention that the book of Revelation contains parenthetical passages. Following is more information on parenthetical passages in the book of Revelation. 'When reading or studying [the book of] Revelation, people often assume that each section is chronological so that the next chapter or series of events naturally follows the preceding, but that is not the case. Rather, a number of sections in Revelation are parenthetical and the chronological order is halted in order to develop in more detail some aspect of this end-time period like a key person(s), or event(s), or condition(s). 'Some examples: '(1) Chapter 7 stops the chronological progress begun in chapter 6 and forms an interlude which gives us information about the 144,000 and about multitudes who will be saved during the Tribulation. The six seals are described in chapter 6, but the trumpet judgments don’t begin until chapter 8 which constitutes also the seventh seal. Six of these trumpet judgments occur chronologically and are described through chapter 9. The seventh trumpet is not sounded, however, until 11:15. '(2) So again the story of the progress of judgment on earth is halted and we have another parenthesis from 10:1-11:14. Here a vision is given concerning the little book, concerning the no delay once the seventh trumpet is sounded, and concerning the two witnesses. '(3) Revelation 11:15 picks up the chronological process again and the seventh trumpet is sounded. Other sections which are somewhat parenthetical regarding persons and systems are chapters 12, 13, and 17-18.'(www.bible.org) 'These [parenthetical] passages do not advance the prophetic narrative. Looking backward and forward they sum up results accomplished, and speak of results yet to come as if they had already come. In Re14:1, for example, the Lamb and Remnant are seen prophetically on Mount Sion, though they are not actually there till Re20:4-6.' (Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)" (www.studylight.org) "We offer no defense of our belief that the recipient of the Revelation was John the Apostle; that the date of writing falls near AD 96; that the Revelation has epistolary, prophetic, and apocalyptic features, which must influence its interpretation; and that the book is progressive in nature with parenthetical details added for clarification. Where necessary we will comment on the structure of the book to understand the meaning of the text..." (www.revelationcommentary.org) Grace to you, Kalos |
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4164 | The Fall of Satan | Rev 12:4 | kalos | 167074 | ||
“How, why, and when did Satan fall from heaven?” 'Answer: Satan’s fall from heaven is described in Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18. While these two passages are referring specifically to the king of Babylon and the King of Tyre, they also reference the spiritual power that was behind those kings - Satan. In regards to when Satan fell, these passages describe is why Satan fell, but they do not specifically say when the fall occurred. What we do know is this: the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satan’s fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Whether Satan’s fall occurred a few minutes, hours, or days before he tempted Adam and Eve in the garden, Scripture does not specifically say. 'Why did Satan fall from Heaven? Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. Notice the many "I will..." statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Ezekiel 28:12-15 describes Satan as an exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was likely the highest of all angels, the most beautiful of all of God's creations. Satan was not content in his position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially "kick God off His throne" and take over the rule of the universe. Satan wanted to be God, and interestingly enough, that is what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1-5). How did Satan fall from Heaven? Actually, a fall is not an accurate description. It would be far more accurate to say that God cast Satan out of Heaven (Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17).' ---------------------------------------- Related Topics: Can Satan read our minds / know our thoughts? Why did Satan think he could defeat God? Was Satan in charge of music in Heaven? Who is Satan? Why doesn't God give Satan and the fallen angels a chance to repent? ____________________ www.gotquestions.org/Satan-fall.html |
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4165 | Kingdom Now Theology Defined | Rev 12:5 | kalos | 125113 | ||
Kingdom Now Theology Defined 'The Teachings 'The basic premise of Kingdom Theology is that man lost dominion over the earth when Adam and Eve succumbed to Satan's temptation in the Garden of Eden. God "lost control" of the earth to Satan at that time, and has since been looking for a "covenant people" who will be His "extension," or "expression," in the earth and take dominion back from Satan. This is to be accomplished through certain "overcomers" who, by yielding themselves to the authority of God's apostles and prophets for the Kingdom Age, will take control of the kingdoms of this world. These kingdoms are defined as all social institutions, such as the "kingdom" of education, the "kingdom" of science, the "kingdom" of the arts, and so on. 'Most especially there is the "kingdom" of politics or government. This naturally implies the concentration of military and police power in the hands of those in control during the Kingdom Age. They are referred to as the "many-membered man child," whom Kingdom Theology adherents believe will be the fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-5: "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars....And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron." 'Those who hold to Kingdom Theology assume that the Church (some believe only a small group within the Church, called "overcomers"), under submission to the latter day apostles and prophets, is that man child, and that it has the responsibility to put down all rebellion and establish righteousness. This necessitates the utilization of supernatural power and the full implementation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This theory is based upon the idea that all authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Jesus. Since believers are indwelt by the same Holy Spirit that indwelt Jesus, we have all authority in heaven and on the earth; we have the power to believe for and speak into existence things that are not, and thus we can bring about the Kingdom Age. The many-membered man child must take control of the earth before Jesus can return. 'Necessary to the Kingdom Age is "the Restoration of the Tabernacle of David," defined as the completion of perfection of the Bride of Christ - a Church without spot or wrinkle. During the Kingdom Age (or after all else is subdued during that time) Satan and all enemies of God will be put under the feet of the many-membered man child. This will be the fulfillment of I Corinthians 15:25-26: "For he (Christ) must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." 'The rationale that the many-membered man child will put God's enemies under 'its' feet is that Jesus is the head of Christ and the Church is the body of Christ. And where are the feet but in the body? Many in the Kingdom Theology movements insist that when this Scripture refers to Christ it is really referring to the Church who is the Body of Christ. Therefore it is necessary for them to establish within the minds of Christians the idea that, as the Body of Christ, we are Christ. In other words, we have His divine nature. 'Notice that this idea, similar to that of mind science and other false religions, separates the anointing of "Christ" from Jesus and bestows it upon all who come into a place of certain knowledge and spiritual attainment. This is a heresy that is as old as the Church. It is rooted in the Greek school of philosophy known as Gnosticism.' ____________________ www.apologeticsindex.org/l04.html |
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4166 | Kingdom Now Theology Defined | Rev 12:5 | kalos | 125284 | ||
hefourgvs: Truth is NOT forever being revealed. God's revelation to man is complete. It has been complete since the last of the 66 books of the Bible was written. There is no 67th book of the Bible. If, as you say, "that is not an accurate assessment on kingdom theory", then enlighten us, please. You tell us: What is an accurate assessment of kingdom THEORY? You write: "anyone who has it all figured out usually gets discombobulated after awhile". Who are you talking about? Who has it all figured out -- the Kingdom Now crowd or those who oppose this THEORY? Sounds to me like a description of the Kingdom Now adherents. On the other hand, if they don't have their THEORY all figured out, they need to cease and desist propagating it until they do. You write: "just beleive the word..it qualifies itself. within itself". What do you mean by that? |
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4167 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | kalos | 159714 | ||
Doc: Excellent point! I'd never thought of that before. Kalos |
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4168 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | kalos | 159765 | ||
Is Jesus Michael the Archangel? 'Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. The Bible nowhere identifies Jesus as Michael (or any other angel for that matter). Hebrews 1:5-8 draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, "I will be His Father, and He will be my Son"? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, "Let all God's angels worship Him." In speaking of the angels He says, "He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire." But about the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.” 'Angels worship Jesus. The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6). 'Michael the Archangel is perhaps the highest of all the angels. Michael is the only angel in the Bible who is designated “the Archangel” (Jude 9). Michael the Archangel, though, is only an angel. He is not God. 'The clear distinction in the power and authority of Michael and Jesus can be seen in comparing Matthew 4:10 and Jude 9. In Matthew 4:10, Jesus rebukes Satan. In Jude 9, Michael the Archangel calls on the Lord to rebuke Satan. Jesus is God incarnate (John 1:1,14). Michael the Archangel is a powerful angel, but still only an angel.' ____________________ www.gotquestions.org/ Jesus-Michael-Archangel.html |
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4169 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | kalos | 159768 | ||
Was Charles Russell Founder of JWs? Was Charles Russell The Founder of The Jehovah's Witnesses? 'Charles Taze Russell 'Watchtower founder, Charles Taze Russell once sued a Baptist pastor, Rev. J.J. Ross for libel after the minister published a tract entitled, Some facts about the Self-Styled "Pastor" Russell (Kingdom of the Cults, pp. 42-44).' (www.watchman.org/jw/jwcourt.htm) 'In his six volumes, Studies in the Scriptures, Charles Taze Russell (founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses) made many predictions that were tied to specific dates (e.g., 1878, 1910, 1915).' (www.apologeticspress.org/articles/280) _____ 'We along with the many Christian counter-cult ministries believed that Charles Taze Russell was the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. This is entirely based on the many major teachings of Russell that are being held by the whole Watchtower organization. Kindly read the following statement written in their book Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, p. 42, in presenting a whole chapter on the history of their founder C.T. Russell, '"This history is of special interest to Jehovah's Witnesses. Why? Because their present understanding of Bible truths and their activities can be traced back to the 1870's and the work of C.T. Russell and his associates, and from there to the Bible and early Christianity." 'In spite of the fact that this is a bone of contention between the cults, International Bible Students' Association and the Jehovah's Witnesses, we leave the burden of proof to the former in disproving this historical fact. God bless you!' (www.thebereans.net/fb-jwalan.shtml) _____ '...it wasn't until the late 1800's that Charles Taze Russell began what is now known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society which is run out of Brooklyn, New York. (www.carm.org/jw/nutshell.htm) |
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4170 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | kalos | 159783 | ||
Bows44, whom are you defending -- Charles Taze Russell or the Jehovah's Witnesses? Grace to you, Kalos |
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4171 | written from the foundation of the world | Rev 13:8 | kalos | 172315 | ||
written from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8 (NASB) All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. Rev 17:8 NASB "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come." 'In these passages John informs us about the time when the book of life was filled out. This information comes as a surprise. Without it, our assumption would be that when men or women put their trust in Christ, their names were added at that moment. But that is not the case at all. The book of life has been complete since the foundation of the world' (www.intouch.org). |
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4172 | What is the "Mark of the Beast"? | Rev 13:17 | kalos | 159010 | ||
What is the "Mark of the Beast"? 'This is one of the most difficult and obscure parts of the book of Revelation. It occurs seven times in the book from chapter 13 to the end. Modern Christians have tended to see this as some kind of future identification that Christians should avoid, like giving a person a number on his forehead or a microchip on his body. By requiring Christians to be marked, this would allow them to be controlled... 'Obviously, Christians would be concerned about anything that is used to "mark" them for persecution. But credit cards, microchips with health and employee information, and the internet are not anything Christians should avoid for fear of "the mark." 'Again, we should ask how the first readers of this book would look at this "mark," and then apply that to every other group of readers.' To read more go to: www.internetmonk.com/revfaq.html [Note: My use of this quote should not be taken as an endorsement of everything written at the above website. --Kalos] |
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4173 | It was not the English number 666. | Rev 13:18 | kalos | 134818 | ||
"666 is an English number. The Bible was not written in English. The book of Revelation is a Greek document." ____________________ NASB Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. "In recent times, speculations about the exact nature of this mark have abounded. Since the exact name of the beast is unknown, speculation as to what the mark is has received the most attention. A computer chip implant, a bar-code, or a physical brand on the skin have led the list of possibilities at one time or another. However, a closer examination is warranted. "Based on Revelation 13:16-17 and 14:9, there will be three lines of identification: a mark, a name or a number. Most attention has been focused on the number of his name, which is 666. Most fail to appreciate the fact that 666 is an English number. The Bible was not written in English. The book of Revelation is a Greek document. This demands a Greek numbering scheme. So whatever John saw was certainly not the English number 666. ( . . . ) "True believers in Jesus Christ will not take the markings of Satan/Antichrist. "It is important at this point to add that believers will not be tricked into taking the markings. Satan/Antichrist has nothing to gain by marking people who are not truly his. With starvation as the penalty, people will gladly take the identification system. Believers will not want to attempt subterfuge--take the identification system externally, but hold allegiance to Christ in their hearts. There are things far worse than physical death. Trying to explain to the Lord our reason for taking a Satanic identification system to escape physical death is one of them." ____________________ What is the mark of the Beast? by Rev. Charles Cooper. To read more go to: (http://www.solagroup.org/articles/faqs/faq_0006.html) |
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4174 | It was not the English number 666. | Rev 13:18 | kalos | 134819 | ||
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4175 | What is the mark of the beast? | Rev 13:18 | kalos | 134823 | ||
'What is the mark of the beast? 'Question: “Where in the Bible does it talk about the mark of the beast? And what’s your opinion?” 'The main passage in the Bible that mentions the "mark of the beast" is Revelation 13:15-18. Other references can be found in Revelation 14:9,11; 15:2; 16:2; 19:20; 20:4. The number associated with the beast (antichrist) and his mark is said to be that of "a man" (666). This mark acts as a "seal" for the followers of antichrist and the false prophet (spokesperson for the antichrist) is the one who causes people to take this mark, just as the Holy Spirit is the "Spokesperson" within the Godhead (John 15:26), and seals believers in Christ (Ephesians 1:13;4:30). Satan, the antichrist, and the false prophet then make up some sort of perverse parody of the Trinity (a "satanic trinity" if you will). 'I believe the mark is literally placed in the hand or forehead, and is not simply a card someone carries. We shouldn't spend a lot of time speculating on the details past that, since that is as far as the Bible goes. 'Many good expositors of Revelation have differed widely as to what exactly the mark of the beast is. Besides the "ID card" view, others have speculated that it is a microchip, a barcode that is tattooed into the skin, or simply a mark that identifies someone as being faithful to the antichrist's kingdom. This last view requires the least speculation, since it does not add any more information than what the Bible gives us, but we must remember that John is foreseeing the future (Revelation 1:9-10); he is not simply having a dream, so he is describing something real. Imagine trying to describe a barcode or some kind of chip that slightly shows through the skin if you only have a 1st-century vocabulary. 'In other words, any of these things are possible, but at the same time they are all speculations, so we will just have to see how it turns out.' ____________________ http://gotquestions.org/mark-beast.html |
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4176 | What is the mark of the beast? | Rev 13:18 | kalos | 134824 | ||
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4177 | why is the devils number 666 | Rev 13:18 | kalos | 158859 | ||
Makarios: Yours is the best possible answer to the question of the identity of the antichrist. In fact, it is the only answer supported by Scripture. However, to those who may not be satisified with the Scriptural answer, my advice is: "If you want to pin the tail on the antichrist, then Hal Lindsey is your man." Grace to you, John |
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4178 | Is the beast a computer, microchips...? | Rev 13:18 | kalos | 158926 | ||
Is the beast computers, microchips...? 'Is the beast a computer, the Internet, bar codes, microchips or credit cards? 'Another rather silly way to read Revelation is to try and find something in the book that matches up with current technology, such as computers or microchips. Any kind of technology can be used for good or evil. I would ask you to avoid any interpretation of something in Revelation that makes no sense in the first century world. Computers and bar codes might make sense to us, but they would be meaningless to first century Christians, and the book of Revelation is as much theirs as it is ours. 'Hal Lindsey once interpreted the "locust monsters" in Revelation 9 as helicopters. I interpret these "monsters" as demons. Which interpretation would make sense to all Christians, and which one only makes sense to modern people? I think this is important, and will do a lot to keep us from chasing after "strange rabbits" in the book of Revelation.' To read more go to: www.internetmonk.com/revfaq.html [Note: My use of this quote should not be taken as an endorsement of everything written at the above website. --Kalos] |
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4179 | What does 666 mean? | Rev 13:18 | kalos | 181377 | ||
What does 666 mean? "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six," (Rev. 13:18). '666 is the number of the antichrist, the end times figure who will arise with the purpose of opposing God and God's people. 666 is the gamatria of the name of the antichrist. 'In Greek and Hebrew there are no numeric characters. There are only alpha characters. For example, the letters a, b, c, d, e, f, etc. are alpha characters. The numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, etc., are numeric characters. They are different -- except for the letter "o" and the number "0". When the Greeks wanted to write a number, they used letters for numbers. The Greek letter "alpha" had the numeric equivalent of 1. The next letter "beta" has the numeric equivalent of 2, and so on. (CARM has a chart of the Hebrew and Greek numeric equivalents if you are interested in more information.) 'Therefore, whenever a word in Greek is written, because the letters are also numbers, every word has a numeric value. This numeric value is called a gematria. The Greek word for Jesus (IhsouV) has a mathematical equivalent of 888. Also, the Greek word for fish is 1224. 'What the Bible is saying is that the future antichrist will have a name that when it is written in Greek, its numeric equivalent will be 666.' ____________________ Source: www.carm.org/questions/666.htm |
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4180 | Sealing of the 144,000? | Rev 14:1 | kalos | 45707 | ||
Romans 11:1-36 (ESV) I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. [2] God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? [3] "Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life." [4] But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal." [5] So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. [6] But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. [7] What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, [8] as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day." [9] And David says, "Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them; [10] let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs forever." [11] So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. [12] Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean! [13] Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry [14] in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. [15] For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? [16] If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches. [17] But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, [18] do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. [19] Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." [20] That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. [21] For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. [22] Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. [23] And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. [24] For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree. [25] Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [26] And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; [27] "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins." [28] As regards the gospel, they are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. [29] For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. [30] Just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, [31] so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. [32] For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. [33] Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! [34] "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?" [35] "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?" [36] For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen. |
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