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3761 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 9801 | ||
EdB: You make a good point here. Yours is a very interesting observation, one that deserves serious consideration. And, may I add, the doctrines on which these three men would disagree are all considered secondary (not trivial, not unimportant, but secondary) doctrinal issues. None fits the category of the essentials of the Christian faith, i.e., the basic doctrines of the Bible. (See previous postings for a definition and discussions of what is meant by essentials vs. secondary issues.) For example, acceptance or rejection of tongues, Calvinism, the rapture doctrine, etc. does not determine whether one is going to heaven. These are secondary issues. On the other hand, if one does not believe in the Trinity of God or the Deity of Christ, then, by definition, one is NOT a Christian. The Deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity are examples of the essentials of the Christian faith. What we believe about these two issues has everything to do with whether we are Christians. |
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3762 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24752 | ||
Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? Hebrews 6:4 "Enlightened. "They had received instruction in biblical truth which was accompanied by intellectual perception. Understanding the gospel is not the equivalent of regeneration. In John 1:9 it is clear that enlightening is not the equivalent of salvation. "Tasted the heavenly gift. "Tasting in the firurative sense in the NT refers to consciously experiencing someting. The experience might be momentary or continuing. Christ's 'tasting' of death was obviously momentary and not continuing or permanent. All men experience the goodness of God, but that does not mean they are all saved. Many Jews, during the Lord's earthly ministry experienced the blessings from heaven He brought -- in healings and deliverance from demons, as well as eating the food He created miraculously. Whether the gift refers to Christ or to the Holy Spirit, experiencing either one was not the equivalent of salvation. "Partakers of the Holy Spirit. "Even though the concept of partaking is used in Heb 3:1; 3:14; and 12:8 of a relationship which believers have, the context must be the final determining factor. This context in vv. 4-6 seems to preclude a reference to true believers. It could be a reference to their participation, as noted above, in the miraculous ministry of Jesus who was empowered by the Spirit or in the convicting ministry of the Holy Spirit which obviously can be resisted without experiencing salvation." (Note at Hebrews 6:4, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997. For all Scripture references, see the MacArthur Study Bible.) |
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3763 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24755 | ||
What does it mean...? 6:5 Hebrews 6:5 "Tasted. "(See [previous] Note on v. 4.) This has an amazing correspondence to what was described in [Heb] 2:1-4. Like Simon Magus (Acts 8:9-24), these Hebrews had not yet been regenerated in spite of all they had heard and seen. They were repeating the sins of those who died in the wilderness after seeing the miracles performed through Moses and Aaron and hearing the voice of God at Sinai." (Note at Hebrews 6:5, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997. For all Scripture references, see the MacArthur Study Bible.) |
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3764 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24758 | ||
What does it mean...? 6:6 Hebrews 6:6 "Fall away. "This Gr. term occurs only here in the NT. In the LXX, it was used to translate terms for severe unfaithfulness and apostasy. It is equivalent to the apostasy in [Heb] 3:12. The seriousness of this unfaithfulness is seen in the severe description of rejection within this verse: they re-crucify Christ and treat Him contemptuously (see also the strong descriptions in 10:29). "The 'impossible' of v. 4 goes with 'to renew them again to repentance.' Those who sinned against Christ in such a way had no hope of restoration or forgiveness. The reason is that they had rejected Him with full knowledge and conscious experience (as described in the features of vv. 5,6). With full revelation they rejected the truth, concluding the opposite of the truth about Christ, and thus had no hope of being saved. They can never have more knowledge than they had when they rejected it. They have concluded that Jesus should have been crucified, and they stand with his enemies. "There is no possibility of these verses referring to losing salvation. Many Scripture passages make unmistakably clear that salvation is eternal (compare John 10:27-29; Rom. 8:35,38,39; Phil. 1:6; 1 Pet. 1:4,5). Those who want to make this verse mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also say that one could never get it back again." (Note at Hebrews 6:6, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997. For all Scripture references, see the MacArthur Study Bible.) |
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3765 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24785 | ||
Tim: I am so impressed with you that I just had to write and say so. I sincerely thank you for your Note re Hebrews 6:4, addressed to Sir Pent, the one that begins "Concerning the question of the criteria..." Your note presents an opposing viewpoint to my Notes, Subject: Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...?, posted at 7:57 p.m., 8:25 p.m., and 9:05 p.m. I having nothing but appreciation and admiration for your Note. It is so well written and well thought out. To see a defense of an opposing viewpoint based on reason and Scripture is such a rare experience here on the Forum. You've made my day. You have perfectly illustrated the point that I have made repeatedly -- that it's not being disagreed with that I object to. What irritates me is when someone else disagrees with me without scriptural support or sound reasoning. Or when they reject an interpretation that I hold to, yet they themselves have no alternate interpretation to offer. This is never the case with you, for you do a consistently excellent job of presenting your understanding of various Scriptures and doctrines. God bless you. kalos |
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3766 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24852 | ||
"A proper interpretation of Hebrews requires the recognition that it addresses 3 distinct groups of Jews: 1) believers; 2) unbelievers who were intellectually convinced of the gospel; and 3) unbelievers who were attracted by the gospel and the person of Christ but who had reached no final conviction about Him. Failure to acknowledge these groups leads to interpretations inconsistent with the rest of Scripture." (p. 1895, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) |
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3767 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24853 | ||
Falling away of professed Christians. "Apostasy, Summary: Apostasy, "falling away," is the act of professed Christians who deliberately reject revealed truth "(1) as to the deity of Jesus Christ, and "(2) redemption through His atoning and redeeming sacrifice 1 John 4:1-3; Philippians 3:18 ; 2 Peter 2:1 . Apostasy differs from error concerning truth, which may be the result of ignorance Acts 19:1-6 or heresy, which may be due to the sphere of Satan 2 Timothy 2:25,26 both of which may consist with true faith. The apostate is perfectly described in 2 Timothy 4:3,4 . Apostates depart from the faith, but not from the outward profession of Christianity 2 Timothy 3:5. Apostate teachers are described in ; 2 Timothy 4:3; 2 Peter 2:1-19; Jude 1:4,8,11-13,16 . "Apostasy in the church, as in Israel Isaiah 1:5,6; 5:5-7 is irremediable, and awaits judgment ; 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 ; 2 Peter 2:17,21; Jude 1:11-15; Revelation 3:14-16." Bibliography Information Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes on 2 Tim 3". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes/ 1917. |
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3768 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24864 | ||
Brian: Thank you for your reply. However, I choose not to be drawn into a debate over the meaning of Heb 6:4-6. There is no need for me to add to what I have already posted to the forum. If anyone wishes to know my stand on this passage and my arguments (reasons), they may look them up. Using the Search function, *search* for postings whose *contents include* "Heb" AND "6:4", by *author* kalos. You will find that I have submitted 31 postings containing these words. "Of making many books [postings] there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh." Ecclesiastes 12:12 (NKJV) |
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3769 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24887 | ||
Brian: Apology accepted, though none is needed. This is not a private thread, as far as I know. I meant no offense to you. When I said I didn't care to discuss or debate this, it wasn't aimed exclusively at you. The same applies to all. I only meant that having recently posted new Notes on the subject, there's nothing more I have to contribute to the subject. Brian, it is I who apologize. I meant no offense. You are always welcome to join in any thread or to reply to any of my posts. I don't even know if there is such a thing as a private thread on a public forum. So again, Brian, please don't take my previous remarks to mean that I didn't want to discuss this with you personally. It's just that anything I posted now on this subject would be mere repetition. Grace to you, kalos |
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3770 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24891 | ||
I agree with you. A casual reading would *SEEM* to indicate that Scofield agrees that a Christian can lose his salvation. However, I have been reading and re-reading Scofield, cover-to-cover, backwards and forwards, inside-out for 30 years. Scofield never believed that a Christian could lose his salvation. He had this idea that Eternal Life by definition is not temporary. The idea here is regarding the act of a false *PROFESSOR* of salvation as opposed to a genuine *POSSESSOR* of salvation. "Apostasy, Summary: Apostasy, "falling away," is the act of *PROFESSED* Christians who deliberately reject revealed truth." |
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3771 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24899 | ||
EdB, my good friend: It is inaccurate to suggest that the score is 2 to 1 or that "this is merely how MacArthur sees it." No Calvinist would interpret Heb 6 to mean that a Christian can lose his salvation. Just as no Arminian would interpret it to mean the believer is eternally secure. So the underlying debate here is Calvinism vs Arminianism. Rather than being debated among 3 people in one century, this question has been debated by hundreds of preachers, teachers, scholars and students for many centuries. So it may be more accurate to say the score is 999 to 998. Will the forumites agree upon a solution to this question in a few days? I doubt that any 3 of us could agree on where to go for lunch. :-) Ed, I thank you for your carefully researched and well written postings. Grace to you, kalos |
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3772 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24904 | ||
EdB: Scofield now knows the answer, too, and for the same reason Stamp does. The two of them have graduated to the biggest and best Bible class of all. Do you suppose they take turns as guest lecturers in these Bible studies? :-) You write: "What do you say we just continue our Christian walk by faith and not worry about it." Now that's the best idea I've heard all day. Like you, I wasn't planning to fall away either. I have enough trouble not falling away from my low fat diet. You bring up a good point to ponder when you write, "People that worry about if they can lose their salvation, what do they have in mind?" Have a blessed Sunday, kalos |
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3773 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24916 | ||
Fungus? Yuck! | ||||||
3774 | Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 24943 | ||
My dear brother: Before you can possibly get at the true meaning of Fungus, you have to at least taste it. If you don't, then you are hardly qualified to make such bold assertions. And remember, to taste the Fungus is not merely to take a bite and sample the flavor. If you intend to taste it, you must eat every last bite on your plate. Uh huh! Happy holidays to you, too. kalos |
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3775 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 33992 | ||
Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? Hebrews 6:4 "Enlightened. "They had received instruction in biblical truth which was accompanied by intellectual perception. Understanding the gospel is not the equivalent of regeneration. In John 1:9 it is clear that enlightening is not the equivalent of salvation. "Tasted the heavenly gift. "Tasting in the figurative sense in the NT refers to consciously experiencing someting. The experience might be momentary or continuing. Christ's 'tasting' of death was obviously momentary and not continuing or permanent. All men experience the goodness of God, but that does not mean they are all saved. Many Jews, during the Lord's earthly ministry experienced the blessings from heaven He brought -- in healings and deliverance from demons, as well as eating the food He created miraculously. Whether the gift refers to Christ or to the Holy Spirit, experiencing either one was not the equivalent of salvation. "Partakers of the Holy Spirit. "Even though the concept of partaking is used in Heb 3:1; 3:14; and 12:8 of a relationship which believers have, the context must be the final determining factor. This context in vv. 4-6 seems to preclude a reference to true believers. It could be a reference to their participation, as noted above, in the miraculous ministry of Jesus who was empowered by the Spirit or in the convicting ministry of the Holy Spirit which obviously can be resisted without experiencing salvation." (Note at Hebrews 6:4, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997. For all Scripture references, see the MacArthur Study Bible.) |
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3776 | Apostasy. Can one return to Christ? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 55391 | ||
justme: Yes, I do believe in apostasy, as I defined it in my previous post. The English word 'apostasy' appears a total of 3 times in the New American Standard Bible: Jeremiah 8:5 Strong's number 04878; Hosea 14:4 Strong's 04878; and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Strong's 646. The Hebrew word (Strong's 04878)translated 'apostasy' in the NASB appears in the KJV of the Bible where it is translated 'backsliding' 11 times and 'turning away' 1 time. The Greek word 'Apostasia' (Strong's 646)translated 'apostasy' in the NASB appears twice in the KJV of the Bible and is defined as 'a falling away, defection, apostasy'. Since the word appears in the Bible, one would have no choice but to believe in it. Grace to you, kalos |
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3777 | Can you loose your salvation? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 142397 | ||
Lonevader: You are correct when you write that no such term as "lose salvation" appears in the Bible. Using the concordance feature at (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/) I made an interesting discovery. This is what I found when I looked for the words lose and salvation in the same verse; and also when I looked for the words lost and salvation in the same verse. King James Version "Your search query for 'lose salvation' did not return any results. Please modify your search query and try again." "Your search query for 'lost salvation' did not return any results. Please modify your search query and try again." There is no place in the King James Bible in which the words lose and salvation or lost and salvation occur in the same verse. It just isn't there. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3778 | WHO is Hebrews 6:4-11 refering to? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 144136 | ||
Hank: You have posted a very helpful note providing new users with a clear history and explanation of the subject and older users with a balanced, accurate review. Thank you for pointing out that "Stating what one believes on an issue and trying to PUSH that belief off as the last word of ultimate truth are not the same things." Indeed stating one's understanding of a Bible subject is not the same thing as engaging in an endless debate over that subject. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3779 | WHO is Hebrews 6:4-11 refering to? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 144672 | ||
There really is a Bible doctrine of election. It simply isn't true that election is "a subject scripture along (sic) remains silent on." | ||||||
3780 | Will the real NYP please stand? :-) | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 152481 | ||
NYP, Not Yet: While you're counting your posts, don't forget to count those you submitted as GeorJoy and Glory Bound. Have a nice day, Kalos |
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