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3661 | Will there be a second and third coming? | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 23128 | ||
"There is not a distinct second and a third coming, rather one coming, one Parousia at which time God "sum[s] up ... all things in Christ" (Eph. 1:10)" Will there be a second and third coming of Christ? "Awaiting and looking for the [fulfillment, the realization of our] blessed hope, even the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One)," Titus 2:13 (Amplified Bible). "Two examples corroborating the teaching that the church is present through some portion of the persecution and therefore not removed from the earth in a secret coming prior to the 70th Week are Irenaeus (the disciple of Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John) and Justin Martyr. Irenaeus wrote, "And they [the ten kings] ... shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the Church to flight." (Against Heresies 5:26.1) "Justin Martyr wrote, "The man of apostasy [Antichrist] ... shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians." (Trypho cx) "The early church fathers understood there to be only one coming of Christ. They never separated His coming into the idea that He would come first in a secret coming for His church and then later (perhaps seven years) with His church to pour out His wrath on wicked mankind. "For the above reasons,* to understand that a difference was intended in Titus 2:13 between "the blessed hope" being the (secret) Rapture of the saints and "the appearing of...Christ Jesus" as the Revelation of Christ at the end of the 70th Week, is to incorrectly understand the verse. Therefore, there is not a distinct second and a third coming, rather one coming, one Parousia at which time God "sum[s] up ... all things in Christ" (Eph. 1:10)" (Footnote. *"For the above reasons"and for many others from Scripture itself which I do not have space for here. To read the entire article, of which this is but the conclusion, go to www.signministries.org/faqs/faq019_thirdcoming.htm) |
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3662 | The Rapture, a comming event. | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 124406 | ||
1 Thes. 4:13-18 (KJV) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words. |
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3663 | The Rapture, a comming event. | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 124509 | ||
alanh: You write: "This Scripture (1 Thes. 4:13-18) has nothing to do with the so called rapture, but is referencing the end of time when Christ returns to judge all." How did you come to that conclusion? Grace to you, kalos |
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3664 | The Rapture, a comming event. | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 124518 | ||
alanh: Maybe you can clear this up for me. When you say "the church of Christ" do you mean the body of Christ in general? Or do you mean a denomination, e.g. United Church of Christ or the Churches of Christ? Grace to you, kalos |
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3665 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 169794 | ||
A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner '"...looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus" 'Titus 2:13 is often used by pretribulationists to show that there is a difference (of time and objective) between what they refer to as "the Rapture" and "the Revelation of Christ." 'The "blessed hope" and the "glorious appearing" are said to be two different events, or in effect, two distinct comings of Christ. For the pretribulationist, the "blessed hope" is seen as the Rapture, when Christ comes (secretly) "for" the saints at the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel while the "glorious appearing" is seen as Christ's physical return to earth "with" His saints at the end of the 70th week of Daniel, for the final judgment of the world and the setting up of the Millennial Kingdom on earth. 'For the following reasons, this passage in Titus cannot support the notion that there are two comings (parousia) of Christ: one for the saints, the "blessed hope" and one for the world, "the appearing of the glory of... Christ Jesus."' ____________________ www.solagroup.org/ articles/faqs/faq_0011.html |
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3666 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 169795 | ||
A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? I By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner '1. In Greek grammar, there is a rule known as Granville Sharp's rule, which says in simplified form that if two nouns of the same case are connected by the conjunction 'and' and if the definite article (the) is used preceding the first of the nouns and is not (necessarily) repeated before the second noun, the latter always relates to the same person or event described by the first noun as identical or at least similar. 'By using Grandville Sharp's rule in Titus 2:13, we see that the "and" joins "the blessed hope" and "the appearing of our ... Savior, Christ Jesus". The meaning of the conjunction "and" may be translated "even" or "also". It is therefore to be understood that the two phrases are equal in relationship. In other words, they are not two completely different time and event references, rather, they are both speaking of an event that has a common referent or focal point. 'A literal translation of Titus 2:13 would then be: '"...while we wait for the blessed hope even [the] glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,"' ____________________ www.solagroup.org/ articles/faqs/faq_0011.html |
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3667 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 169796 | ||
A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? II-III By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner '2. In I Peter 1:13, Peter writes: "...fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ." Peter understood that the believer realizes his "blessed hope" at the revelation of Jesus. It is interesting that Peter, who surely would have known if there was to be both a time period and a different focus or objective between the Rapture and the Revelation of Christ, did not even hint at such a difference. Rather, he simply says that the hope of the believer is to be realized "at the revelation of Jesus Christ". The conclusion one reaches based on this verse is that the blessed hope of the believer takes place at the same time as the revelation of Christ, the time when Christ comes to rescue the righteous (the rapture) and pour out His wrath on the wicked (the revelation, as per the pretrib definition). 'To use Titus 2:13 as a Scriptural base for establishing a pretribulation Rapture is a weak argument at best. Not only is the Rapture, separated from "the revelation of Jesus Christ", not the intention of the passage, it cannot be hermeneutically substantiated by any other verse in all the New Testament. '3. Paul reminds his young disciple, Titus, that believers are to look "for the blessed hope". The context of this verse gives us insight as to what is intended regarding the meaning. In verse 11, Paul is emphasizing the "grace of God" through which He has brought salvation to all men. Then, in verse 12, he appeals to that gift of God as the foundational motive for believers to live "righteously" and "godly in this present age" as they move toward that "blessed hope". 'In the New Testament, the hope of believers is mentioned over 50 times. As one traces the use of the word "hope" throughout the New Testament, one discovers that nowhere is the believer's hope ever understood to be limited to that of the Rapture of the saints. The Rapture is certainly included, but it is not the sole idea. On the contrary, the New Testament writers use the word to speak of the broad experience of being liberated from the effects of sin, experiencing the full blessing of their inheritance in Christ, and being unhindered in their worship and adoration of their Lord. 'To make the Rapture the entire focus of the believer's hope is to apply a meaning the New Testament writers did not intend. Certainly the Rapture is a part of the "blessed hope", albeit a significant part, but it is not the sole meaning.' ____________________ www.solagroup.org/ articles/faqs/faq_0011.html |
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3668 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 169798 | ||
A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? IV By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner '4. When the student of prophecy studies the writings of the early church fathers, he discovers an interesting phenomenon: the vast majority of the Ante-Nicene Fathers (living between the end of the Apostolic age and A.D. 325) who wrote on the subject of the 2nd coming understood that the church in the latter days would face the persecution of Antichrist, which commences 3 1/2 years after the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel (cf. Daniel 9:27; Matt. 24:15). 'The implication then is that the believer's hope (which includes the anticipation of the rapture) will be realized sometime after the midpoint of the 70th Week and after the beginning of the great tribulation at the hands of Antichrist. If this is the case, and Scripture abundantly supports this view (cf. the sequence in Matt. 24:3-31), then the clear teaching of Scripture on the coming of Christ, both for His church, and with wrath (the Day of the Lord - Zeph 1:14-18, and described as beginning with the cosmic lights being extinguished ((Joel 2:31; Matt. 24:29; Rev. 6:12-17)), is that the Rapture and the Day of the Lord occur on the same day (cf. Luke 17:26-30). Therefore, there is no time separation between the Rapture and the Revelation of Christ. 'The believer on that day will lift his head knowing that his "redemption is drawing near" (Luke 21:28) but the world at the same time will be in "perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world, (in context - because of the extinguishing of the cosmic luminaries) for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will THEY (emphasis added) [in context - the people of the world] see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 1:25-27) 'In light of what Scripture records, Robert Gundry has written, "Every Ante-Nicene writer who wrote in any detail upon the tribulation, resurrection, rapture, or second coming ...[understood] ... the church will undergo persecution at the hands of Antichrist". That means that the Rapture takes place sometime after the persecution starts (the midpoint of the 70th Week) and is not prior to the 70th Week as the pretribulationist insists. Mr. Gundry goes on to say that the only outstanding early fathers missing (that taught differently) were Clement of Alexandria and Origin, who used an allegorical method of interpretation.' ____________________ www.solagroup.org/ articles/faqs/faq_0011.html |
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3669 | A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? Intro | Titus 2:13 | kalos | 169800 | ||
A 2nd and 3rd coming of Christ? V By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner 'Two examples corroborating the teaching that the church is present through some portion of the persecution and therefore not removed from the earth in a secret coming prior to the 70th Week are Irenaeus (the disciple of Polycarp, a disciple of the apostle John) and Justin Martyr. Irenaeus wrote, "And they [the ten kings] ... shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the Church to flight." (Against Heresies 5:26.1) 'Justin Martyr, wrote, "The man of apostasy [Antichrist] ... shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians." (Trypho cx) 'The early church fathers understood there to be only one coming of Christ. They never separated His coming into the idea that He would come first in a secret coming for His church and then later (perhaps seven years) with His church to pour out His wrath on wicked mankind. 'For the above reasons, to understand that a difference was intended in Titus 2:13 between "the blessed hope" being the (secret) Rapture of the saints and "the appearing of...Christ Jesus" as the Revelation of Christ at the end of the 70th Week, is to incorrectly understand the verse. Therefore, there is not a distinct second and a third coming, rather one coming, one Parousia at which time God "sum[s] up ... all things in Christ" (Eph. 1:10).' ____________________ www.solagroup.org/ articles/faqs/faq_0011.html |
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3670 | Titus 3:5 and washing of regeneration | Titus 3:5 | kalos | 132402 | ||
Tim: I am reposting two Notes concerning a similar prayer found in a tract that has been around for decades. Some time ago someone posted an objection to the prayer at the end of God's Simple Plan of Salvation (www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps.html). His complaints were similar to those against the "sinner's prayer." Here is the objection by "rancher" and the reply by "kalos" (me). Repost: ID# 1837 by "rancher" I did visit www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps.html as you suggested, and the "simple plan" sounded good and scripturally accurate until I got to the prayer. I can find no example of anyone, after Jesus' resurrection, calling on the name of the Lord by praying such a prayer. Surely, if such a prayer is part of God's simple plan of salvation we would see some examples of it. There must be something more to "calling on the name of the Lord".... ______________________ ID# 1839 by kalos I'm not sure what your objection is to the prayer at the end of God's Simple Plan of Salvation (GSPOS). Is it not Scriptural? Is there some bad doctrine in it? You have to understand the prayer in GSPOS is merely an example, a model, of how to pray when you ask God for salvation. (If you don't like it, you don't have to use it. Its use is certainly not mandatory for salvation.) I'm not sure you need to see word for word examples of it in the Bible. Every word of the prayer is based upon sound Bible doctrine. It seems to me that you are taking something relatively simple and straightforward (calling on the name of the Lord) and trying to turn it into some deep theological mystery. Basically to call upon the name of the Lord is another way of saying to pray to the Lord. . . . There is nothing more to "calling on the name of the Lord" than praying and admitting one is a sinner; that one believes Jesus was his substitute when He died on the Cross. That His death burial and resurrection according to the Scriptures IS the essence of the Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4). The prayer closes with the praying person receiving Christ as his Savior and thanking God for the forgiveness of sins and the gift of salvation and everlasting life. To question whether the prayer is Scriptural or to expect some long-drawn out mystery in answer to your question seems to be going beyond the Scripture and unnecessarily complicating that which is not complicated. |
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3671 | Titus 3:5 and washing of regeneration | Titus 3:5 | kalos | 132420 | ||
Dalcent: Perhaps the history of theology needs to be weighed up in the light of the Scriptures. Regardless, I appreciate your input here at the forum. Grace and shalom, Kalos |
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3672 | Titus 3:5 and washing of regeneration | Titus 3:5 | kalos | 132581 | ||
Emmaus and others: I agree with Emmaus. A debate (fight) between persons who are anti-Catholic and persons who are anti-Protestant is clearly outside the scope, intent and purpose of Study Bible Forum. Remember: Posting to the forum is not a right, it is a privilege; to abuse it is to lose it. Grace to all, Kalos |
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3673 | If you never admit when you are wrong... | Titus 3:9 | kalos | 133695 | ||
But avoid stupid and foolish controversies and genealogies and dissensions and wrangling about the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile. (AMPLIFIED Titus 3:9) 1 Tim. 6:3-4 (ESV) If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, [4] he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels... 'If you never admit when you are wrong, you will not be able to convince anyone in a discussion of your position. You will simply lose the respect of the one with whom you are debating' (www.carm.org/atheism/christianmistakes.htm). |
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3674 | Biblical warrant to engage in debates? | Titus 3:10 | kalos | 109830 | ||
Mommapbs: Thank you for your reply, complete with Scripture. I am re-posting this question for those who may have missed it. --kalos | ||||||
3675 | Posting Violation | Titus 3:10 | kalos | 134622 | ||
Posting Violation You have violated one or more of the following posting guidelines. "To adhere to StudyBibleForum's intended purpose, please read the following before submitting a post: "1. This post is biblically based and whenever possible, I have included Bible references to support it. "2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. "3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. "4. I have carefully proofread my post and believe it represents my best efforts." * * * * * * * * * * * * "ABOUT POSTINGS "The StudyBibleForum is an inter-denominational Christian forum. This forum encourages questions and answers but we may determine what is acceptable at any particular time. "Postings must be Biblically based and not opposing to the authority of the Bible, Christianity, or the deity of Jesus Christ. Whenever possible, postings should include supporting Bible references. "Postings must not be intended as a personal attack on other users of this forum. They must not be submitted as an effort to foster debates, arguments, divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or disruptions to this forum. "Pushing One's Own Personal And Denominational Views "Please limit, to the best of your ability, the known denominational biases that produce potential strife and undue conflict. "Please avoid interjecting obvious denominational biases, especially when urged by peers to cease. Otherwise, it becomes a battle of wills, and only tears down morale and causes division. "IF WE ARE NOTIFIED THAT THIS SITUATION IS OCCURRING WE WILL REVIEW IT AND ACT AS NECESSARY." ti310 |
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3676 | Posting Violation | Titus 3:10 | kalos | 134623 | ||
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3677 | COULD A BELIEVER LOSE THEIR SALVATION? | Hebrews | kalos | 700 | ||
Is it possible for redeemed people to lose their salvation? . . . The Bible says no. One who is saved "has everlasting life, and . . . is passed from death unto life" (John 5:24). Eternal life by definition cannot be temporary. It is the present possession of all those who have truly trusted Christ. Romans 8:28-39 reveals clearly that there is nothing in the universe that can separate the elect from the love of God. The One who chose to save you "is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy" (Jude 24). . . . According to Scripture, people who profess to know Christ at one time but later deny Him were never really saved to begin with. First John 2:19 says, "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us." A true believer will never depart from the faith (Philippians 1:6), so those who do so are revealing that they were never truly saved (John 8:31; Hebrews 3:14). . . . Even true Christians can sin, however, and because of that may lack assurance of salvation (Psalm 51:12). A failure to grow spiritually can also rob us of the confidence that we are God's children (2 Peter 1:9). But anyone indwelt by the Holy Spirit is secure eternally, because He is the "deposit guaranteeing our inheritance" (Ephesians 1:14). . . . For further study: John MacArthur, Eternal Security (tape series). © 2000 Grace to You |
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3678 | COULD A BELIEVER LOSE THEIR SALVATION? | Hebrews | kalos | 1139 | ||
Your interpretation of the various passages quoted in your message, I can tell, are your honest and sincere beliefs. Thousands, even millions, of people share your interpretation and beliefs. In fact at one time I believed exactly as you do. Whether I have become a traitor or a convert is something we won't know until we sit down in that big Bible class in the sky and are taught by the Author Himself. . . . I got sidetracked if I was trying to get you to change those beliefs. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." My focus should have been on sharing my understanding of the doctrine and of the Scriptures I used, leaving you to decide for yourself -- not to get you to agree with me. Your patient, reasonable reply has helped me to get back on track. Thank you for your patient, conscientious, well written reply. |
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3679 | Still...can WE know this? | Hebrews | kalos | 1263 | ||
Dear Friend, I do not consider you an antagonist or adversary of any kind. And thank you for reminding me of that of which I continually need reminding: that in your ministry your concern is not with pure abstract theology, but with explaining and applying it in the daily life of others. You made a point in your letter that I just wasnt considering -- the practical application of all that you read and study. Sometimes I think if we were discussing these matters face to face, without the limitations of time and distance, we would more readily comprehend each other's points. And, speaking for myself, there would be less misunderstanding of the points you make. I thoroughly enjoy your input and go looking for it every day. Thanks for your friendship and your regular submissions to this site. |
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3680 | But can WE know this? | Hebrews | kalos | 1281 | ||
Very good answer! Very Good! If this is the "show that never ends," -- and it is -- then you, my friend, are the star of the show. Your prolific entries, your insight and your humor keep this show high in the Nielsen ratings. And how refreshing to receive an entry from an "admitted" anything, Arminianist or otherwise. | ||||||
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