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3581 | Difference Between Ignorance and Genius | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 157719 | ||
Heard on Christian Television ____________________ "There's a difference between ignorance and genius. Genius has its limitations." ____________________ |
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3582 | Heard on Christian TV | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 157720 | ||
Heard on Christian TV ____________________ "There's a difference between ignorance and genius. Genius has its limitations." ____________________ |
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3583 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 169861 | ||
What To Shut Your Mind Against Tim Moran: This is in reply to the question in your post, ID# 169466. Yes, there is another topic that is just crying out for attention. The question is: What do the following verses mean? (In this question I do not accuse anyone of anything. I merely raise the question.) 2 Timothy 2:23 The Amplified Bible But refuse (SHUT YOUR MIND AGAINST, have nothing to do with) trifling (ill-informed, unedifying, stupid) controversies over ignorant questionings, for you know that they foster strife and breed quarrels. (Emphasis added.) 1 Timothy 6:4 The Amplified Bible He is puffed up with pride and stupefied with conceit, [although he is] woefully ignorant. He has a morbid fondness for controversy and disputes and strife about words, which result in (produce) envy and jealousy, quarrels and dissension, abuse and insults and slander, and base suspicions, Titus 3:9 The Amplified Bible But avoid stupid and foolish controversies and genealogies and dissensions and wrangling about the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile. Grace to you, Kalos :-) |
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3584 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 169862 | ||
Heard on Christian TV ____________________ "There's a difference between ignorance and genius. Genius has its limitations." ____________________ |
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3585 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 169874 | ||
Tim: I agree with you that: "None of these passages indicate that it is inappropriate to engage in studies of doctrine or to engage in detailed discussions about a Bible passage." As long as they don't go beyond mere studies and discussions. As long as they don't degenerate into something else. Indeed, what is the forum here for? Sometimes I wonder. Discussion (such as we are having now) is one thing. Quarreling is another thing altogether. Answering questions is one thing. Long drawn-out debates -- which OFTEN result in quarrels, verbal abuse, ad hominem attacks, and insults -- is another thing entirely. So is it OK to have "stupid and foolish controversies...and dissensions and wrangling" among ourselves, as long as we don't have them with false teachers? Among ourselves is it OK to engage in "trifling (ill-informed, unedifying, stupid) controversies over ignorant questionings," even though we "know that they foster strife and breed quarrels"? Is there no problem if those in the body of Christ have "a morbid fondness for controversy and disputes and strife about words, which result in (produce) envy and jealousy, quarrels and dissension, abuse and insults and slander, and base suspicions"? Such things are A-OK (they edify, and inspire) as long as we keep them all in the family? Grace to you, Kalos |
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3586 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 169911 | ||
"It's not a discussion group" If you click on "About the Forum" and read the instructions contained therein, you will find that StudyBibleForum.com is "not a discussion group". What is StudyBibleForum.com? According to the information at the web page About the Forum*, 'The StudyBibleForum.com is built from the "Bible" up. A synergetic resource built to enhance and deepen your study of God's Word. 'It's like a free study Bible with an unlimited margin, that contained helpful verse notes, and was continually expanding. A resource where you can access and/or contribute to a dynamic repository of verse notes. IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION GROUP or topical survey, but an ever growing "expository repository" that gives the layman and scholar an opportunity to share truth and contribute wisdom.' (Emphasis added.) ____________________ *About the Forum http://studybibleforum.com/ about.php |
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3587 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 169924 | ||
Russ: I am confused. I do not understand where you are coming from or what you're getting at. In your post you use some form of the word "search" a total of 11 times. Yet in Tim's note (the one you were replying to) not once did he use the word "search" or any form of it. So I wonder why you are scolding Tim when that is not what he said. I understand your point, your objection to telling people to search for the answer, but Tim didn't say that. (By the way, which is better -- XM or Sirius? I'd really like to know since I am considering getting satellite radio.) Grace to you, Kalos |
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3588 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 169931 | ||
Russ: Thanks for the very helpful information on satellite radio. The specific reasons you gave for preferring XM are reasons I can relate to; i.e. I would like XM for many of the same reasons you do. I especially like the idea that XM has separate channels for the various eras (decades) of music. My favorite music decade is the 1950s -- both the rock and non-rock hits of that era. Thanks for answering my previous questions. I understand when you write that it's not so much to scold any one person. Several times I myself have unintentionally offended the addressee of a Note when they themselves were not the person(s) I was criticizing. That is, I was making a general comment and the person I addressed thought I meant them when I didn't. My opinion: if some replies on the forum are too im-personal (obective, factual), then others are too personal (subjective, speculative). This is another generalization and I didn't mean you in either case. :-) Grace to you, Kalos |
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3589 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 169933 | ||
That's another good reason to choose XM radio. I detest those "breakfast flakes" (morning drive time talk/commercials/music) programs. I can get all the talk shows I want on AM radio. And I can hear all the inane chatter I can stand after I get to work. :-) Grace to you, Kalos |
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3590 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 170019 | ||
Participants in the thread: This thread is taking some interesting twists and turns. In my original post -- the one that started the thread -- I asked, "What do the following verses mean?" Then I quoted three Bible verses -- without comment. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3591 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 170135 | ||
Mark: Many thanks to you for your replies. I won't be able to get back to you until later tonight or tomorrow, but I will get back to you. The same with the email you sent me. Sorry to take so long to reply to it, but I will reply. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3592 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 170159 | ||
Mark: You ask: "What if we disagree with another? Say I have chosen to ignore a question, but someone else has chosen to answer? Should I fault them for answering? I reply: No, neither you nor I should fault them for answering. You ask: Would my faulting them risk my being in disagreement with God, if perhaps God has led them to answer? I reply: I suppose that whenever we presume to know the will of God for another person, we risk being wrong, being in disagreement with God. You ask: Would I be better to "call" them on it, and inform them that I don't think they are doing the right thing? Or would I be better to pray for them, that they would be fruitful, and bring another to the Lord, or if they are barking up the wrong tree, for the Holy Spirit to give them understanding? I reply: It is always good to pray for another person, that they would be fruitful, etc. But I don't see this as an either/or situation. It could be a both/and situation. Without accusing anyone of anything, why can't I both remind people that we should avoid foolish controversies and at the same time pray for the good of the person who chooses to answer a question? These are my answers to your specific questions. What is my overall view of entertaining questions that might prove to be divisive or lead to contention? It's what I've already said in my earliest posts in this thread. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3593 | What To Shut Your Mind Against | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 170170 | ||
Mark: You write: I think that the Amplified reads too much into this passage (also 2Tim 2:23) in saying "avoid stupid and foolish controversies", is this to say that we are not to avoid "learned and wise" controversies? The text just says avoid stupid questions, and genealogies, and arguments (controversies), and etc., but does not apply the adjective of moros to arguments. My understanding is that we are not to argue at all. I reply: I think the text means what the Amplified says it means: "Avoid stupid and foolish controversies." Is it OK to have "stupid and foolish controversies...and dissensions and wrangling" among ourselves, as long as we don't have them with false teachers? I think not. Discussion (such as we are having now) is one thing. Quarreling is another thing altogether. Answering questions is one thing. Long drawn-out debates -- which OFTEN result in quarrels, verbal abuse, ad hominem attacks, and insults -- is another thing entirely. You write: this passage tells us that there is no gain or benefit to be had by arguing with someone (about any of these things), or answering stupid questions. I reply: AMEN! I agree with you 100 percent. You write: So what questions are "stupid" questions? I reply: "Momma always says: Stupid is as stupid does" (F. Gump). What questions are stupid ones? Each of us will have to answer that for himself. We'll have to determine what questions are stupid one question at a time -- on a question by question basis. You write: As I understand it, this is the heart of this thread. What questions should not be asked? What questions should be ignored? When does discussion become an argument? I reply: Each of us will have to exercise his own Spirit-guided judgment, one question at a time. Each individual will have to decide for himself whether to ask a particular question. Each individual will also have to decide for himself whether to ignore a particular question. It's like what they say about art. I may not be able to give a definition for which questions should be ignored, but I'll know stupid when I see it. ("You can't fix stupid" (retired St. Louis radio host Jim White).) When does a discussion become an argument? It may be that argument, like stupid, is in the eye of the beholder. You write: How much do we know about the one asking?...How can we know the heart of another?...So again, I must rely on the discernment which the Holy Spirit gives to me. And I must be very sensitive to the Holy Spirit's leading, and especially conviction, for when my discussion becomes personal, and heated, and becomes sinful arguments. I reply: Amen! I agree. You write: How can I best serve you? Sometimes by speaking, and sometimes by shutting up. And all things in prayer. I reply: Amen! I agree. I have the right to remain silent. Unfortunately, I do not exercise that right as often as I should. You ask: And, if I may, what do you think these verses mean? I reply: Again, I think these verses mean what they say. I also think it doesn't take a lot of elaboration, analysis, or commentary to figure out what these verses mean. The observation and interpretation of these verses is plain and clear. However, the application -- when and how to apply them -- is a matter In which each of us must use his own Spirit-led judgment (discernment). Mark, indeed you have added much to the discussion. Thank you for your input. In all sincerity, I may not always agree with you, but I have a high regard for you and what you have to say. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3594 | A Day In The Life Of The Forum | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 174173 | ||
A Day In The Life Of The Forum Repost of ID# 30847 __: I'll take ten shekels for the bridge. Of course, first we'll have to start a thread to find the conversion rate between the shekel and the dollar. As soon as someone gives an answer, especially if it's the right one, we need to have some Internet Lone Ranger self-appointed shekel expert write in and tell the first guy he's wrong. This should be followed by 100 posts over a period of three weeks in which most of the Notes and Answers will come from those who have never in their lives seen a shekel and who don't even know how to pronounce the word. Included in the posts should be a quote or two from current publications in which the conversion rate (shekel to dollar) is accurately given. This will immediately be followed by warning posts cautioning the writer not to believe anything you read in establishment publications as to the value of a shekel. Then someone else will have to look up shekel in Strong's and work backwards into the original language. After the debate becomes more and more heated, bitter and divisive, someone should report it to the Lockman foundation and have it restricted from appearing on the homepage. A month from now someone will bring up the exact same question and we'll go through the entire farce again. In the meantime, another poster will ask how many shekels dowry did Cain's wife's father have to pay. To answer that question it will be debated whether Cain's wife's father was Adam, Cain's first son, a monkey, a Nephilim, or a fallen angel. By then the original bridge will have rusted and it will then be falling down, falling down, falling down. My fair lady. I'm sorry, __, what was your original question? In all the craziness we've lost sight of the original purpose of the thread. :-) Bless you, __, kalos |
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3595 | Avoid Disputes Over Secondary Matters | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 174175 | ||
Avoid Disputes Over Secondary Matters 'Some things (such as the bodily resurrection of Christ) are non-negotiable. Other things may be open to debate, such as who wrote the book of Hebrews, the nature of Paul’s “thorn in the flesh,” and the number of angels that can stand on the head of a pin. WE AVOID BECOMING EMBROILED IN DISPUTATIONS OVER SECONDARY MATTERS (2 Timothy 2:23; Titus 3:9)' (www.gotquestions.org/tolerance-Christian.html). (Emphasis added.) AMPLIFIED 2 Timothy 2:23 But refuse (shut your mind against, have nothing to do with) trifling (ill-informed, unedifying, stupid) controversies over ignorant questionings, for you know that they foster strife and breed quarrels. AMPLIFIED Titus 3:9 But avoid stupid and foolish controversies and genealogies and dissensions and wrangling about the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile. All right, people, if you ignore Forum guidelines, how about at least obeying the Word of God? After all, trifling controversies, dissensions and wrangling do not glorify God. Nor do they edify anyone. "Look for people who always seem stuck on one over-emphasized point of theology. This is the person who bangs the proverbial drum for his own little area. Some crazy quirk. And it usually is not some great divine insight. They'd like you to think they're so close to God that they have a great divine insight that no one else has. The fact of the matter is they're seeking a platform for the feeding of their ego. Watch for people with a lack of balance." --Heard on Christian Radio Grace and peace, Kalos |
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3596 | Ignorance and apathy | 2 Tim 2:23 | kalos | 189682 | ||
Ignorance and apathy Heard on Christian radio: First guy: What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? Second guy: I don't know and I don't care. |
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3597 | Don't argue... | 2 Tim 2:24 | kalos | 173599 | ||
Don't argue... ...irritably or with irritating persistence. AMPLIFIED 2 Timothy 2:24a "And the servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome (fighting and contending)." Heard on Christian radio. Adrian Rogers said: Don't argue. Witness, yes. Defend the faith, yes. But as soon as it becomes an argument, just STOP! According to Rogers, "If you lose the argument, you lose the point. If you win the argument, you lose the person." "Argue" defined. To argue is "to contend or disagree in words : DISPUTE" (http://m-w.com/dictionary/argue) To DISPUTE is "to argue irritably or with irritating persistence" (http://m-w.com/dictionary/dispute) |
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3598 | Don't argue... | 2 Tim 2:24 | kalos | 173695 | ||
If The Shoe Fits To Whom It May Concern: Don't argue... ...irritably or with irritating persistence. AMPLIFIED 2 Timothy 2:24a "And the servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome (fighting and contending)." Heard on Christian radio. Adrian Rogers said: Don't argue. Witness, yes. Defend the faith, yes. But as soon as it becomes an argument, just STOP! According to Rogers, "If you lose the argument, you lose the point. If you win the argument, you lose the person." "Argue" defined. To argue is "to contend or disagree in words : DISPUTE" (http://m-w.com/dictionary/argue) To DISPUTE is "to argue irritably or with irritating persistence" (http://m-w.com/dictionary/dispute) |
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3599 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | kalos | 155978 | ||
When anyone says, "If I experience those things described in scripture, then that for me validates them, proves to me that scripture is true," then that person is in serious error. When anyone says this they are NOT testing experience by Scripture; instead they are testing (proving) Scripture by experience. That's what you said: that "proves to me that scripture is true." What other people have been trying to get across in this thread is that we don't prove Scripture by experience; we prove experience by Scripture. In the above quote you seem to be saying both things -- that we prove experience by Scripture AND Scripture by experience. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3600 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | kalos | 155993 | ||
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. NASB Romans 1:16 The gospel is the power of God for salvation. Not feelings. Not emotions. Not personal experiences. Not goose bumps. Not chills and thrills. THE GOSPEL IS THE POWER OF GOD FOR SALVATION. |
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