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461 | Which Church is the right one? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 71512 | ||
Mae65: I think with the busy lives, and people wanting to be left alone, are a big reason that church members don't visit or call. Perhaps out time and culture are so changed, and we are from a different time that makes our expectations unrealistic for the times in which we now live. What do you think? justme |
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462 | Entering Heaven | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 71513 | ||
rferg: You have some interesting ideas, and have some rough experiences. Having been a Pastor, now retired, I sit in the pew like you now. I see that real spiritual growth comes fron studing the Word mostly by your self. Our early church Fathers were mostly self taught, and the Holy Spirit doed lead us in truth. I also think equating spirituality with having Bible knowledge is a falicy. A person can be quite uneducated and yet be a very solid spiritual Christian that knows the Lord very well. Pastors also can be carnal and yrt go through the motions of the job of pastor. What do you think? justme |
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463 | Is water baptism must for Holy communion | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 75342 | ||
Reformer Joe: Its ok to disagree I don't mind. Could you give some scripture that supports your view? I have seen many people take communion that had questional sins which should disqualify them, but did anyway. I have seen unsaved Servicemen given communion as well. Ultimately it is God who will judge the situation and the heart of the partaker. Thanks for your opinion. justme |
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464 | Is water baptism must for Holy communion | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 75630 | ||
Reformer Joe: There is no doubt that new believers must confess Jesus as Lord in open confession, through Baptism. I am not speaking about someone who is unrepentant in a defiant way. My point is that not everyone has a choice in taking communion. While in the USN everyone took a wafer dipped in grape juice as it was required, and there was no choice about it not partaking. I have more than reasonable doubt nonbelievers took communion in bootcamp. The Priest that administered the commuinon was following his orders as well. I was not then, and am not a Roman Catholic now. I felt rather out of place in this worship and communion service. AS to if a person should or should not take communion, if they are not Baptized, that would require "closed communion" which I find unscriptual. The cloice to partake or not to, is up to the believer, they alone can judge if they are to partake or not. Scripture say's we are to examine ourselves. Partaking unworthly as the church of Corinth was doing was condemed by Paul, and serves as an example today as to what is not acceptable. I personally am not as concerned about new Christians taking commuinon before being Baptized. I am more concerened about ordinary Christians who have been baptized, maybe some in ministry, who have secret sins. Quite often we hear of pastors in affairs, or those in church leadership doing immoral acts, that no one knows of, only God Himself. I believe we live in times that sexual purity in Christians is not much better than the worlds view. I have seen a good number of pastors witch lost their families and ministries because of sexual sin. Yet until they were caught they did commuinon services, Baptisms, Weddings and preach. I am sure every sexual sin there is, many churches have members is sin today. I do not see that a pastor doing his or her best in being obediant to the call of Christ, and administering communion, can be called irresponsible if he or she is unaware of such sins of the people. I most certianly can not find damnation for a child or unsaved person partakes is under Gods to be punnished list. I see Communion as an ordaince not a sacrement. I revere Jesus and what He said, but let us not forget Judas took the cup as well, and followed Jesus, he saw the healings and much more. Does that not show even our Lord knew what was in Judas' heart? If I being a mear mortal, can not know a persons heart, then that makes the partakers accountablity to the Lord Jesus, not me. In responding to you Joe, I am not attempting to disagree with you. I just see there is a large gray area that is left up to each believer or unbeliever that no pastor can be held accountable for. We each must face Christ, face to face and let His judgement be given to us in His mercy and grace. Perhaps we as sinfull humans have harsher judgement on each other than the Lord Himself. Perhaps, I have seen commuinon done in many ways that has been inlightening for me. I have seen communion services before a bombimg run took place, when someone was about to die, at a table with family, between a small group of church leaders, and after a funeral service. Churches have communion at different times sone every Lords day, or once a month, or quarterlty, yearly. The ways of actually eating the bread and wine, are just as verrird as well. Some use saltien crakers, some real unlevened bread, then some use grape juice and some real wine. I have ever heard of what ever juce was available at the time. I think the most important thing is we do the communion as remembering Christ is our risen LORD and by Grace from Jesus are told to fo this in remembering Him. I don't know it all, and I certainly would not fault some one who does the service differently unBiblical. There is a wide understanding on this issue that's for sure. Blessings and peace. justme |
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465 | Is water baptism must for Holy communion | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 76153 | ||
Reformer Joe: You will have to remember I am as old as dirt, and my experience in the Navy was in the sixties, so yes it was decades ago. That was also at a time there was still segragation, and women were not allowed on ships, or in combat, and we did as we instructed or the consequences were sever. Religion was on the dog tags as Protestant or Catholic or Jewish. I never heard of anyone who called thenselves Muslin then. I am sure that is not the case now. Scripture makes the partaker responsible for being unworthy in taking communion. I was once a member of a 5,000 member SBC church. There is no way a pastor could be held as irresponsible if unworthy people partook. That is the work of the Holy Spirit, is it not? As for Judas, do you think the breaking of bread and the drinking of wine was done only at the last supper? That was done as symbolic of the passover before Jesus became flesh. The same is true with baptism, it was practiced for converts to Judiaism. Many of the customs and ordiances we have as Christians have been carried over. Then again some very unscriptual things have become very prevelent in the church today. Just look at most chruches at Ressurection Sunday, most refer to that Holy day as easter! Eastar was a goddess od fertility! Yet most Christians polute this special day with estar! Who is being irresonsible in this? Joe, I never said anything about homosexuals taking communion! I fail to see what I said would give you any idea that was in anything I said. I think perhaps you are not understanding me correctly. I never said there would not be judgement for partaking unworthly. What I said was damnation. I say what ever a person does is between then and the Lord, and he will judge, not me or anyone else. I believe in open communion where the believer determines their own worthyness. That is whatit means when Paul says each one should examine them self. Perhaps I am wrong, as sometimes its hard to see in a note the tone of a person. However, I feel that you are belittling me in you note. Especially when refering to when I genuinely say Blessings and Peace. That is exactely what I really mean. If you find that my note or understanding of Scripture in error, than you are welcome to be up front about it, but please don't mock me in asking and doubting what I said was truth. I have no idea weather the Priest used real wine or not. To be honest that was not important to me. Even today that is not an issue for me. I found out first hand, that at a time of serious illness or being wounded the prayers of of a Roman Catholic or Protestant chaplin were most welcome, and comforting. I think most injured Armed Service personal would agree, even today. Chaplins in the Service serve ALL faiths, that is required of them. However even though it is required I found Chaplins were guinely concerned and qualified to minister in an effective way. I had no intentions of ruffing up anyones fur, I hope this explains my thoughts better. justme |
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466 | Hold fast the Scriptures- then memorize? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 80941 | ||
Radioman2: I just read this note. I feel a little ignorant, as I have had notes from NorthStar, Ministries using NABV, and thought they were using the initals of NASB wrong. So your notes are quite helpful. I could made a foolish misatke if I had not learned what NABV means! Thanks a lot! You saved me from a error I would have made and left myself open for a scolding. Your are so full of information! Thanks. justme |
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467 | SBC, says democratic proces is Biblical? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 81061 | ||
Searcher56: Having read those verses before I wrote the question, how does anyone come to the conclusion that the church leadership should be determined by democratic processes? Today in business meetings we have unspiritual persons voting on the will of God for the spiritual leadership. I see no basis for that, do you? Blessings, justme |
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468 | This is my last post. | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 81064 | ||
Disciplerami: I read your note today: Dialogue is the key in the Forum. Dogmatic monologue serves no one, except to put yourself in a box. I say this not as a message of condemnation, but as one who has been there. I came accros to strongly on the believers that are into the Word of Faith. The end results were is pushed people away. Reconsider your way of bringing about dialogue. Pray about it. Then if you feel you want to re enter forun dialogue come on back. Blessings. justme |
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469 | SBC, says democratic proces is Biblical? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 81073 | ||
Searcher56: Having served four democratic processes churches I can say I knew no other way. Now I am a member of a Pastor, Elder rule. I have seen, with amazment, how smooth, and loving this leadership is. I do think is closer to scriptures ideal in leadership as servants and leading by example and the will of the Lord. I don't discount the Baptist Faith and Message. I just see that God's leading can be administerd in more than the democratic system. I have been told in few countries is the democratic ruel used in churches. I wanted clarification if the BFM demanded that all SBC churches had to be governed that way. Do they? Blessings justme |
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470 | SBC, says democratic proces is Biblical? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 81078 | ||
Searcher56: I can only say from my experience at the church we are now members, I honestly believe thePastor and Elders are in the direct will of the Lord. That is a starteling diggerence from anything I have seen before. Peace. justme |
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471 | wednsday or friday Jesus died | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 81950 | ||
Searcher56: I read 8230. I think this is an interesting speculation. I do not agree, but not so strongly to cause any upset. I know the MOST important fact is Jesus rose, and lives now! Some of the places that Christians differ on are some points that have no effect on our salvation, and to me that is what matters most. I think your post is something I might study further at sometime, and thanks for the imput. Blessings to you Searcher. justme |
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472 | How should we as christians greet ? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 90478 | ||
Hank :-) There is nothing bashful about your kind of making a person feel welcome. We lived in California most of our lives. When we moved to the "Show Me" state, we found out what a mid western welcome really is. The real genuine down to earth friendly people here are. People still say thank you for shopping at their business. Opening a door for ladies is still an accepted practice, the ladies enjoy, and it is a manly thing to do. The pace of life is 100 times less stressful than California. A hand shake means something here. For us the yellow brick road that led Dorthy to Kansas started in Missouri. Perhaps the most important of all is the church we belong to, and the fellowship that Christians share is openly apparent. I know it might seem like I have rose colored glasses on, but after four decades in the high desert of California, the grass was greener here, not to mention the beautiful lush green trees. I suppose it sounds weard but we love the four seasons and yes, we love the snow. What more could a person want? Especially having such nice neighboring states like Baha Missouri, so called Arkansas. Have a great day. Blessings. justme |
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473 | Women Preachers? Yes or No? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 94985 | ||
Hank:Skiping generalities, may I specfically say to your statement, AMEN! justme |
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474 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98258 | ||
Dachande: Welcome to the Forum. Noteworthy Point you make. As you may know that a Prophet can frothtell or or fortell. Proclamation of God's Word is included in the forthtelling. There as some that would say that to speak the "Word of Knowledge" in English or tongues would be what you are refering to, perhaps. I am not of the opinion that the way Pat Robertson sends forth the "Word of Knowledge" is done in the Biblical context. So I would have serious doubts as to a man or woman had that as a genuine working gift of the voice of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps you may have some further thoughts on this? I would be interested to know if I hit on where you are coming from. Blessings. justme |
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475 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98342 | ||
Dachande: You present some interesting thoughts. I wonder, if at least in our country, if the anti-christian climate and politics are perhaps even worse than in Jesus lifetime? Quoting Christianity Today Oct. 2003 page 17 by Ted Olsen, "V. Gene Robinson who was recently confirmed as an Episcopal Chruch bishop despite his noncelibate homosexual relationship." Now if this was not insulting enough to all who claim Jesus Christ as Lord, here is a remarkable quote from V. Gene Robinson himself that brings into clear focus Robinson's doctine, or lack there of. Same sourse and author "Just simply to say that it goes against tradition and the teaching of the church and Scriptures does not necessarily make it wrong." Upon reading this myself, I had to reread it twice to believe my eyes! This twisted man who has been confirmed by a group of seriously flawed "so called Christians" is nothing short of deserving of the wrath of hellfire from our Holy Father the Lord Almighty! Joe, the one of the major problems is people act on what they themselves think and feel rather what Holy Scripture says. Opinions are nice but often are very wrong. Would you not agree? I am reminded of 1 Timothy chapter 6. There is significant warnings about exactally what we are dialoguing about here. What's your scriptual view on all this? justme |
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476 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98414 | ||
Dachande: I've read your two notes, and your concerns are not unfounded. There is a wide range of theology anong those who call themselves "Christians". Having studied the starting of several denomonations, there were as many reasons as for their beliefs as there are denomonations. Ask someone what religion are you? Odds are they will say the denomonation they belong to, have you noticed that? I have gotten the answer Lutheran, Catholic, General Baptist, Assembly of God or some simular answer like non-denomonational, independant, or the like. There is strong loyality to the group Christians belong to, be it just a local church or denomonation. Rarely do I have someone say I am a Christian. Ask a Jew and they say Jewish religion. Those who are on either side of belonging to a denomonation or those who fault denomonationalisn, are equal in the position for or against, and as a rule defend their view to the point of disfellowshiping one another. The Body of Christ has very little unity today as I understand what Biblical unity is. In some cases the loyality to ones paticular "brand" of church is stronger than the loyality, by evidence displayed by lifestyle, to the Lord Jesus Christ. I find this so totally wrong it is sickening, and a stench in the nose of God, in a figure of speach. Often when we study a community in which several same kind of churches are present, you will find church splits were the reason for so many of the same kind of churches so close together. The root of the reason for the split often festers for several generations with unresolved resentment toward one another on going for many years. In Galations Chapter 5, Paul addresses some key points of basic "Getting along with one another" 101 course. In verse paul says "....The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." NIV. I don't think we do this very well, and perhaps until we do the world will not take our message of our loving Jesus with all our heart, very sereiously. One observation I have is about liberalism, aand mainline denomonations. Rarely as time passes by, do we see demonations grower in a direction toward being more conserative. There are two exemptions to this that I have seen. The World Wide Church of God, and the Southern Baptist Convention. The World Wide Church of God founded by H. W. Armstrong, has made significant change in the last ten years, from that of being clasified a cult, to changing to become in line with orthodox Christianity. The Southern Baptist went from being more post modern into a more conservative, and adopting a non creedal, but quite simular to a creedal statement of belief that Ministers and Missionaries must agree to to be in leadership or paid ministry. There mmay be a few others that I am not aware of. Joe, we all have some blame in all this mess I have described. When ever there are two or more gathered, you have two or more opinions, or understandings of Scripture. For example some churches practice closed Communion, others churches have open Communion, open to any one that's been regenerated in Jesus Christ, and Baptized. The later is where I fall in line with. This alone has split churches into splinter churches. Then there are the King James Bible only churches, they are adomint that no other Bible is God ordained but the KJV. This too has caused a huge gap in the body of Christ. The list grows wider and deeper on areas of differences. Some even insist theeir way of "opinion" is the best, without having any Biblical backup. End of Part 1. juustme |
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477 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98415 | ||
Dachande: This is Part 2. In your note I do have a concern I would like to run by you. I wonder if you realy have given serious inqurie into the LDS Church and it's beliefs? I do not want to presume wrongly, however by your note I do not think as deeply as you need to. I have known and delt with Dr. James White, an expert in LDS and other cults. Infact we went to University together, he was by far the most intelligent, serious student I have ever ment. His web site is aomin.org and he has authored several widely acclaimed books. I encourage you to visit and gleam at your will, it will widen your scope of understanding if the LDS Church. Joe, they do indeed have ANTI- material, you might just mever see it, but I have. This is NOT a Christian Church! LDS is a cult, just a the same as JW's etc. You need to see this for your self and then you can speak from personal experience. Also equip.org is another good sourse of information on this as well. For me I believe that according th Jesus in Matthew chapters 24, and 25, I doubt we will ever see the Chruch united under His or Biblical authority, in willingness, until Jesus return. I see that Jesus is saying this world will get worse and worse. Do you see where I come from from in Matthew 24 and 25 to arrive at this thinking? Why not reread thies chapters and continue our dialogue some more? I do not understand what happened before on the forum with you and others, and it is not an issue I care to go into. As long as we share mutuial respect with Christian kindness, we shall continue our dialogue, if that's ok with you. I will let you know if I do not agre with respect and kindness, and if I can no longer do that I will say i need to bow out, and I expect the same from you also. Sounds reasonable does it not? I do incourage you to use Scripture if you are able to, when making a strong statement as this is a Bible Study Forum, ok? Well peace to you Joe. justme |
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478 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98509 | ||
DaryLeader5: I do not know anything whatsoever as to who or what this is. Can you inform me about the Assembly and the Church, or a place where I can read something about these. Blessings. Justme |
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479 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98513 | ||
Dachande: I appreciate your honesty and sharing your thoughts and feelings. The LDS Church believes Lucifer and Jesus Christ were brothers! They believe Jesus was the forerunner of Joseph Smith, and Joseph Smith was the true redeemer! They do not believe Jesus Christ rose again in the flesh, nor do they believe Jesus was born of the virgin Mary. They do NOT accept the Bible as the true Holy living Word od God. For Mormans the Book or Morman is holy. Keep in mind that the Book of Morman is subject to constant change, and has been a number of times. In the Book of Morman penned by Joseph Smith, he said polygamy was to be followed. This suggestion caused havic in his day, but polygamy is practiced in several states today which is illegal and immoral to say the very least! Joe, always the main thing to look for in finding out if a person is involved in a cult, is to ask who Jesus was, and about their belief in the divinity of Jesus. Then ask if Jesus physically rose from the grave. These are key points. Then if you get this far ask how one gets to heaven, and is there any other way than by beibg regenerated by Jesus Christ and by Jesus alone, by our faith in Him? A cult will constantly disagree in these matters of these questions. I encourage you not to be so side tracked by "anti statements" made by anyone, but by who do they say Jesus is. That Joe, is the ultimate question we all MUST answer. Would you agree? I think at this point I will waite for your response to move on from this point, ok Joe? Peace. justme |
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480 | Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? | NT general Archive 1 | justme | 98631 | ||
Dachande: I think it only fair to you to get information from the actual source on Mormonism, so I will give you quotes and the exact source, so it will not be me giving you my words, but the orignal source. I have rarely spent this much time dialoguing about this, but you have shown respect and been interested enough and I think you deserve the real truth. So here goes joe. The universe is governed by a head god and his council. "the head God called together the Gods and sat in a grand council to bring forth the world....In the begining, the head Gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concorted a plan to create the world and people it" (Joseph Smith, TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH,pp.348-49 God has goddess wives. "This doctrine that there is a Mother in Heaven was affirmed in all plainness by the First Presidency of the Church" ( Bruce R. McComkie, Morman Droctrine, p, 516). God is limited by a physical body. " The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22) "If God possess a form, that form is of necessity of definate propprtions, and therefore of limited extention and space. It is impossible for Him to occupy at one time more than one space of such limits" (James E. Talmage, Articles of Faith, p, 43). There are many gods: "In the begining, the head council of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the woorld and people it....In all when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods" (Joseph Smith, Founder and First Prophet, History of the Church, vol.6,pp.43). Jesus and Satan are brothers. " The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God-Lucifer. This spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind" (Milton R. Hunter, First Council of Seventy, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15). Mary was not a virgin. " Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers....Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; He was born in the same personal. real, and lireral sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp.547,742). Jesus was married. "Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee. We sat it was Jesus who was married. to be brought into relation wwhereby he could see his seed" (orlson Hyde, Apostle, Journal of Disclourses, vol.2,p.82). The Bible is incomplete and has serious translation errors, "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors--many plain and precious things were deleted, in conseqquence of which error and falsehood poured into the various churches. One of the great heresis of modern Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the Bible contains all of the insspired teachings now extant among men" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine,pp.82,83). Except for the LDS Church, all churches are false. "I was ansswered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the personage who addressed me said that all theeir creeds were an abomination in his sight; and those professors were all corrupt" (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:19). "This Church is the only true aand living church upon the face of the whole earth" (Doctrine and Covenants, 1:30). "There is no salvation outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol.6,p.670). Joseph Smith was a holy prophet. " I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Niether Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I. The fellowers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the LatterDay Saints never ran away from me yet" (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol.6,pp.408-09). Joe, I can give more quotes from the Mormon Churches own material if you like. I hope you will closely consider that there is a significant discripency in what Mormons say they believe and what is actually what the truth really is. Why not look up what I have quoted, and that way you too will be sure I have quoted it rightly. I f you would rather we can dialogue on any of the points or move on to a new subject. I would never intentialy misslead you. My hope is this will help you and any others who read this. All these quotes come from MORMONISM What You Need To Know, Quick Referrence Guide by Ed Decker Published by Harvest House Publishers, Eugene Organ, 97402 1977 ISBN 1-56507-511-0 by permission. I pray this might help you. Peace. justme |
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