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581 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | justme | 125458 | ||
J Crition: You are correct the word obey is not there. To be subject to means to set inorder. Obey is not even hinted to. In Bryan Chapell's book, EACH FOR THE OTHER, is a better more Scriptual based for the husband and wife, than what id often taught our young women and newly married. Thanks for the response. justme |
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582 | Remarring ex husband or wife? | Deut 24:4 | justme | 125304 | ||
Kalos: Thank you. I understand the OT Scripture, but we are somewhat selective about what laws we keep and change. What about cases dome in ignorance? justme |
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583 | Should a Christian be a Democrat? | Bible general Archive 2 | justme | 125303 | ||
Hank: I agree, I no longer support to person as I do the party that in is line with Gods Word. Thanks for your answer. justme |
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584 | searching for the truth | 1 Cor 11:3 | justme | 125292 | ||
JCriton: May I ask what scripture says a woman is to "obey" her husband? Thank you. justme |
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585 | What is the exceeding sinfulness of sin? | Rom 7:13 | justme | 125213 | ||
EdB: I went there also before I wrote you. I had a hard time because it kept poping up with some sorta program I was to download. However it seemed full of stuff abd not user friendly. I have a real problem with "counseling" on the internet. I had a counseling center in a large south western city, and more often than not those who need help the most can least afford it. As a ministry no person was ever turned away or sent a bill. This was not a means of support, it was a ministry, with a mission to help those in need. I can not see how anyone would pay anything for counseling over an unsecure, open web site. The unethical use of other peoples words without permission to quote or use their material is unethical, unchristian, and perhaps illegal. If this is happening then this person should be asked to leave the Forum. I am amazed that this would even be thought of. I like many others have blessed by the Lockman Foundation. I have been blessed by the work and effort it took for the NASB to come about. I have been so deeply touched by the richness of the wording used by the translators. I especially think the updated NASB is the Bible that speakes to my soul the most. Several of my seminary professors were part of the translators. So my respect goes very deep for the NASB. But how blessed we are to have so many good English Bibles, and yet the Bible is the best selling book that very few read. Blessings EdB. justme |
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586 | What is the exceeding sinfulness of sin? | Rom 7:13 | justme | 125203 | ||
EdB: Pardon what seems rather odd but, what I read seems to me that Aixen7z4 is saying you work for Locknman. Do you have the privledge of working for lockman? If you do I would never have guessed it. Frankly the Lockman is very dear to my heart! What does Aixen7z4 think? No one can produce a Bible with the quality and dependability that Lockman has, and not be able to make the payroll. Even those in ministry need to eat and have clothes, and shelter. Rarely will you see a ministry continue if it is not financialy able to stay a float. As for this persons web site, I can's say what his motives are, but you and I have said that anyone who feels this isn't the place to be, hat no one is holding them hostage, except perhaps hank who keeps himself tied down because he loves the forum. Could you enlighten me on this please? Blessings EdB. justme |
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587 | when is the antichrist coming | Luke 10:27 | justme | 125117 | ||
hefourgvs: The priesthood of the believer is a very important part of being a Christian. We all are to study and to show our selves as approved. I would not agree that Revelation and has all been done away with. Blessings. justme |
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588 | when is the antichrist coming | Luke 10:27 | justme | 125085 | ||
hefourgvs: I have read the thread and find it interesting. What strikes me as odd is that no one ever takes Matthew 25 and follows what Jesus said and takes what He said one step at a time. I strongly believe that if one would do this perhaps it make more sence to listen to what Jesus said, rather than a theory that was penned back in 1810. I read this thread and I read many repeat over the exact words of of a theory that I doubt anyone could come up with by just reading Scripture by them selves. Does it seem strange that the early Church fathers did not have such a view? The main country in the world that holds to this very hard to understand pre-trib, rapture view in the United States. One must evaluate all points of view to be able to come to a real Biblical view, at least that's my belief. Would you have and thoughts you would care to share? Blessings. justme |
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589 | Would you please pray for me? | Bible general Archive 2 | justme | 124991 | ||
Patts: Thank you for your response. Don't applaud my courage, as I have no strength other than what flows from the Holy Spirit in my weakness, to strengthen me. In the last year I have endured cancer and the radation treatments, and now this trial. I have learned by walking with my Lord that only by putting my faith in Him, and knowing that He is able to do more abundantly than I can imagine, that can do all things through Christ who gives me strength. I am 41 years older than you and if I had not walked with Him and abided in His Word all these years I would not have the assurance I do. God bless you Patts. justme |
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590 | The husband of only one wife? | Titus 1:6 | justme | 124911 | ||
EdB: I erspect you views, but we do understand things differently. I choose love or all. Nothing has been said to cause any ill feelings amd with genuine love I call you my brother. Blessing EdB. justme |
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591 | The Sovereignty of God | Ps 103:19 | justme | 124805 | ||
tgc: I trust your seminary experience will be as wonderful as mine was. I tend to call liberalism neo-orthodox. The label of "liberal" or liberralism si rather gerneic and can be misleading. I suppose my strong fundamentalist friends might call me a liberal and my liberal frends might say I an a fundamentalist. The reality is I am quite conserative in doctrine and theology, and practical in relating Scripture to our culture. I believe that the world judges us by our love for each other, and how we live out the gospel for others to see. I also have seen that once liberal seminaries have turned to a stonnger Biblical conserative position. Northern Baptist Seminary is such an example, and I am aware of others. It takes years to change directions, just like a huge ship takes miles to make a U turn so it is with churches and schools as well. Blessings. justme |
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592 | The Sovereignty of God | Ps 103:19 | justme | 124802 | ||
Hank: I agree with what you have said. Perhaps I need to qualify my thoughts a little more. When Mre. Justme and I were praying about a seminary, we dis some very necessary reasearch. One has to look very careful at the professors, and the statement of faith the school has in place. Whotout doing ones homework on the seminary, or Bible college for that matter, then the experience can turn out to be a disaster, and shatter a persons faith. I would say without a strong solid Biblical faith in Christ, and a well formed theology, any seminary worth it's salt will be a real challenge. My experience at MidWestern was not what would say was good, except my New and Old Testament classes, which were taught by very conserative Biblical teachers. I resented to division caused by some very liberal proffesors and students. Dr. William Coble suggested I consider and pray about Central Baptist Theological Seminary. There I found a love for Missions, and made several trips to Mexico. I believe this gave me a wider understanding of what the SBS and the ABC of the USA was all about and love for both. I personally believe I have been blessed by finding out what those with different liberal theological views think. I think I can dialogue with more knowledge and use my skills better. There are some seminaries that as soon as I herar then named in reference, I know I am dealing with a neo-orthodux. I am sure most church members are mostly unaware of how many professors reject openly the total and complete authority and inerrancy of of the Scriptures. I have observed this in to some degree in what you would consider a very Biblically based Seminary. There have been cases where the teacher lied to get a position and then after tenure they came out to show their true colors. I think it may be a mistake to go to seminary before some practical ministry experience has happened. We expect those in ministry to have some solid ministry experience before entering a Doctorite of Ministry degree program is entered into, why not seminary as well? I fully expect that those who teach or preach a false Christ, will lead many astray. Jesus said not everyone who says Lord is of the Lord. Paul warned that in the last day many will have the head knowledge, but have not been genuinely born again. The example Jesus used about the seed falling on the different soils is how peopl;e have reacted to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, from the time of Christ and until He comes again. I have taken to heart the Biblical warning that not many should become teachers, I would think that means pastor's, deacon's, and elder's. To be in ministry is a high calling, and I think far to many are in misistry as a profession, not a calling. Hank, I believe we are on the same wave lenght here. Blessing to you. justme |
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593 | The Sovereignty of God | Ps 103:19 | justme | 124792 | ||
tgc: you bring up some interesting points to the dailogue. I have attended four seminaries. Midwestern Baptist Seminary, Central Baptist Theological, Norther Baptist Seminary, and Trinity Theological. I received two Master degrees. In no place was I told not to say anything that would upset the apple cart. Quite the oppisite is true. I believe one needs to be careful not to generalize, especially if you have not attended seminary. I believe seminary was a wonderful experience that both myself and my wife attended and were extremely fortunate and blessed to have gotten such a rich and rewarding life long, changing oppertunity. I can say we were very selective and made our choice very wisely. Please don't lump seminary education all together, but see that this is most important for todays people desiring to be the best they canbe. justme |
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594 | The Sovereignty of God | Ps 103:19 | justme | 124790 | ||
Hank: Thank you for your kind note, and prayers. This is a time that the peace and love that has been established over time with a genuine love relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, really proves to be sufficant for all our needs. I take Romans 8:28,29 together. I am too being conformed into the likeness of Christ. I have put my trust totally in teh Holy Fathers will for my life. That Hank is a very special place to reside. My family is my ministry now, and that is the highest calling a man can have. In EACH FOR THE OTHER, Bryan Chapell says "The head of a home stands before God on behalf of his family and he lives before his family on behalf of God". This statement should bring every husband and or father to his knees, this is almi\ost too high a calling. I read this recently and it rocked my world, and shook the spiritual ground I stand upon. Blessings dear brother in Christ. justme |
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595 | The Sovereignty of God | Ps 103:19 | justme | 124784 | ||
Hank: Thank you for your responce. My exposure to unbiblical teaching and preaching is almost nill. I try to keep in tuned with genuine "Word food" not garbage. Yes I agree that there much be a lot of pure junk theology being taught and spread. The best was to spot a counterfis is to keep your eyes on the orginal, that what banks tell the people who handel money. The same is true for Christians I am sure. My health is in the Lords hands a snever before. I have been in the hospital for blood cots in my right leg, and numerious pulmonary embolisms in both lungs. This is very serious. I am home because the doctors say the rest is up to the Warfin blood thinner, and time. I would request your prayers once again. I am at peace, and trust I am in the direct will of the Lord, and that ain't bad. I can think of no other place I would rather be. Blessings. justme |
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596 | The husband of only one wife? | Titus 1:6 | justme | 124756 | ||
EdB: Your responce was welcome. I think we understand how the other has come to the conclusion the other has about this huge issue. I think that unless we have reasearched this to what say is the "priesthood of the believe" and can back our view with a solid Biblical answer than we are only shooting off the hip, of emotional feelings. In my observation this issue still goes back to the orignal intent of Paul, and how the Greek reads. I was hoping you might address is a divorce takes place before becoming a Christian, would you view still be the same? Do you see any circrmsatnce that would be an exception? I believe Scripture points to the liberation of people from sin, and freedom to serve the Lord. I also believe and have observed that religious people are eager to preach (2 Cor.5:17) becoming a New Creature in Christ, and behold all things become new. However not for anyone who has beeen divorced! In other words God sets free, and liberates, then the religious not only keep one bound, but have a different satndard for the divoced, a higher standard than for someone who has murdered, sold drugs, been involved in every sexual sin you can name. I cannot find this understanding anywhere in Scripture. Ed, is not all sin firgiven exactally the same way? Is there any sin God does not forgive and cleanse with the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ? If we add stipulations to the limitations Christ's justification and forgiveness, we make confession and repentance inadiquate as a requirement for forgiveness of sin. 1 John 1:9,10. To refuse to recongnize a genuine call of God on ones life, perhaps due to our wrong understanding of Scripture, do we not make a very serious error? I wonder how many have been refused to be allowed to minister, because of bad theology, and not understanding the true meaning of Scripture. In no way do I justify divorce. I find divorce when someone is a Christian very disturbing, heart-braking, and distructive to ones testimony. Often divorce takes a lifetime to restore relationships within the faimily, and children of that marriage. Finally may no where does the Bible say the word "qualifications", however "character" is mentioned several times. There is a big difference in lifestyle character, and qualifications. I hope thsi give some more imput for consideration. Blessings. justme |
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597 | The husband of only one wife? | Titus 1:6 | justme | 124669 | ||
Part Three, Continued. The common reaction to that story is much more stifled. It suggests, "What a pity that the Lord cannot use fully a person with such a powerful testimony!" This attitude makes divorce the only unforgivable sin, and it appears to me to be a parallel to Jesus' experience with the Pharisees and Paul's experience with the Judaizers. The second aspect of our practicle situation grows out of some convictions on how the Lord aperates. I believe that He inspired Paul in writing of! Timothy. (I am fully aware of the problems, critical and practical, that this statement will cause many people) I believe also in called ministry (leadership). (This fact underscores the importance of seeing the unity of the standards Paul set out for pastors and for deacond and elders.) Too, I believe that the Lord does not "stomble over his own feet, I cannot conceive of this kind of situation: The Lord set out a condition that automatically makes men in-eligible to serve as spiritual leaders; yet he keeps calling men who are inthat condition to accept such responsibilities. Therefore I believe that the nature of people's past and present experiences with God make impossible for all the following statements to be true; one must be false: (1) The lord inspired (gave active spiritual guidance in) the writing of! Timothy. (2) Mias gunaikos andra was intended to be translated and interpreted in the traditional way. (3) The Lord is still calling into the service of spiritual leadership men who have been divorced. Every person will have to choose which of the three he thinks is false. I have already affirmed number (1). As a result of dealing with numerous divorced men whose lives attest the reality of a call to some form of special spiritual ministry, I feel number (3) must be true. Therefore I must believe that number (2) is false. Some Christians can toss number (1) aside; so they can accept both (2) and number (3) with no problem. Some may even feel that any direct, personal call to ministry is a figment of the imagination. So each will have to work through this problem in light of his own view of inspiration and the way God deals with his people, as well as his view of how to interpret scripture. But one must never assume that the problem is not serious. It is a vital focal point in matters of both standards for personal, moral living and the bonds of fellowship in our churches. So deal with issue as thoroughly, carefully, and prayerfully as possible. Sometimes it may be necessary to follow Paul's admonition that grew out of a parallel problem in his time, eating food offered to idols. Some people's viwe is so bound by a kind of legalism that they cannot comprehend a departure from their strict standards. Paul saw such people as "weak in the faith," although true believers in Christ. He counseled those who saw things at a higher level to deal considerately with such weakness (see Romans 14; 1 Cor. 8-10). Such graciousness may mean that a man spiritually qualified to serve in some capacity may forego the opportunity, at least temporarily, for the benefit of those who are truly weak in the faityh, thus keeping strong the ties of fellowship in the church. R\Thus, too, is a form of ministering in God's grace anong those who must be served. This has taken many years to collect my thoughts, and put them together in a understandable way, to the best of my ability. Nothing is ever orginal and many sources have I used to gather my thoughts. Seminary was also a place for gathering this into a work that I thank so many for extending to me clearer understanding on such a serious subjest. A special acknowledgement to Dr. William Coble, who is now with the Lord, without him I would be of "weak faith". With blessings I send this in the hopes others my also search their hearts for better understanding. justme |
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598 | The husband of only one wife? | Titus 1:6 | justme | 124660 | ||
Part 2, continued. I do not think that Paul intended his words to be taken in that way nor to be applied in the manner that arises naturally out of this translation, particulary when it touches on divorce that occured before a man became a Christian. This view rests on three areas of truth. First, the area of grammar. Those three Greek words may be translated more properly as "a man of one woman' OR "a one woman man." The expressions could have several meanings; (1) a man MUST have been married to no more than one woman; (2) a man who has been married to only one woman; (3) a man who is now married to only one woman; (4) a man whose pattern of life limits his intimate relationships to one woman. Any one of these terms pictures a truly monogamous man as opposed to the "alley cat" approach to life, which characterized pagan society and increasingly characterizes our own. I do not know exactly which of the four thoughts Pai\ul had in mind. Yet by examining the two uses of the phraes in their contexts I believe that, of the four,numbers (1) and (2) are the least applicable. In listing standards of life quality for both a bishop and elder, deacon paul used along with a series of adjectives and ajective phrases. This puts a meaningful emphasis on two things: (1) The character of the Greek grammer gives this phrase a sense that this is parallel to a one-word adjectival discription, suggesting that "a one-woman man" is the most appropriate translation. This means that Paul intended the phrase to discribe the man's character and his overall pattern of relationships with the opposite sex, rather than to describe a man's marriage history. (2) All the other terms that accompany this phrase are marked by an unavoidable fact: they cannot be applied to any person in a fixed, set, or ridgid manner. Examine every other expression in both lists. All of them treat generally notable traits or characteristics of personal, family, and church life. No one can apply any of these traits to the life of persons in such a way as to show a clear didvding point to be on one side means acceptability and to be on the other means non-acceptability. How would one draw such a line in making a strict application of "serious," "not double tongued," "not greedy for gain," holding "the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience," or managing "their children and their households well"? The way Paul wrote these paragraghs that he drew no distinction between the nature and application of these standards of "a one-woman man." Although Paul was no great Greek stylist, he knew how to draw sharp distinction in meaning. If he had intended to set this standard apart from others, several forms of expression that he used regularly were available to him. If he has intended to say what the traditional translation implies I believe firmly that he eould not have included this phrase as one of a list of trauts that wehave described above. Rather, he would have separated it and made it unqualifiedly specfic. At the same time I recognize that more cometent Greek scholars than I will ever be, have defended the traditional translation. The second area is the historical situstion. As good a breif discussion of this subject as you are likely to find is also in Barclay's work. Since in Paul's day all Christians were adults at the tome of their conversion, I find it hard to believe that a persons pre-conversion history of marriage had any place in Paul's thought. To Paul, the man in Christ has become new all over (2 Cor. 5:17). It sems obvious to me that a man's career in marriage agter his conversion becomes a matter quite distinct from his pre-conversion experience. And his his career in marriage after his conversion would have to be handled on its own merits. A thing that church people often tend to overlook in the fact that there are sorry women just as there are sorry men. Sorry men have devasted the lives of many good women. And sorry women have devasted the lives of many men. To lay down a strict rule based on objective, historical facts alone is contrary to Paul's entire approch to the workings of the Christian faith. Such a rule smacks of the Pharisee's and the Judaizers" approach to godly living. The third area is today's practical situation. This involves two distinct parts. the first is a practice that is indefensible. In Christian testimonies great emphasis has been put on what a new Christian has turned from. The more lurid, dramatic description of past sins one can give, the more glorious has his conversion seemed to be. To tell of gross immorality, vice, or crime and tell of how Christ turned one from it all, is a guararanteed way of producing many an emotional "amen" from an audience, unless one includes in that story the fact of a broken marriage. End of part two. Continue to Part three |
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599 | The husband of only one wife? | Titus 1:6 | justme | 124655 | ||
EdB: I have never really felt it was the proper time to give anyone my belief about divorce and especially in reguards to a divorece man being a church leader, pastor, deacon or elder. However, after nearly two decades of prayer and study I will present to you my basis for my belief. I sincerely hope this will reflect an honest response, given in Christian love, kindness, and respect. What kind of person does the New Testament permit to be a church leader-pastor or deacon, or elder? The time of ordination brings this question into sharp focus and often to equally sharp contention. Some Christians assume that the clear teaching of scripture is our ungqestioned and unquestionable guide. But what constitutes that clear teaching is open to considerable question. The one question that almost invariably leads to the sharpest contention is the matter of granting ordination to one who has been divorced, whether he be remarried or not. The limited treatment that the Nes Testament gives this subject results in our being almost forced to depend directly on statements found in 1 Timothy 3:2, 12. Since the number of deacons and elders who serve, in every church exceeds the number of pastors who are connected with it, more debate arises over this matter that men eligible for the office of deacon, or elder than considering men eligible for the pastorate. Yet this question involves more than one issue. Christians would profit by giving as close attention to the basic function of a deacon or elder in the Nes Testament as given to specfic details of personal qualifications. (William Barclay, in The Daily Study Bible om 1 Timothy, gives a brief on thid mstter that would help most chruches.) Helping deacons and elders understand their true function could greatly vitalize the life of many churches. As for the deacon's or elder's qualifications, I can register some opinions on the meaning of the ! Timothy pasage, recognixing that this is anything but an authoritative statement. If you see fit to cite anything in this statement, please cite it as an opinion. Too, pleast be sure that you have given the true context of the statement. Many short statements, when taken out of context, sound like something far different from the meaning established by the context. One who wishes to study the subject must recognize that verses 2 and 12 cannot be isolated from the teachings of the entire passage, 1 Timothy 3:1_13. Too, the close similarity of the description of an acceptable bishop and acceptable deacon or elder demands that the interpreter consider the statements on each in light of statements on the other. The problems have arisen out of the translation of the Greek phrase (mias gunaikos andra in verse 2 and mias gunaikos andres in verse 12.) The context caused the number of the word for "man" to differ. Andra is singular: andres is plural. That is a meaningless point of granatical form. Traditionally this phrase has been translated "the husband of one wife." This specfic rendering opend the field to ridged interpretation and application. For most people that translation has made the phrase a standard for church leadership based on a man's marriage history. End of part one, see part 2 continued. |
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600 | The husband of only one wife? | Titus 1:6 | justme | 124474 | ||
tgc: Thank you for sharing a tender part of you life. I totally understand what you have said. Yes I have been in ministry. May I encourage you by telling you I heard today from a pastor that the Rev. Dr. Stanley and his wife did reconcile. This is good. What you have said is exactly the points I was trying to get to. I would encourage you to let the past be washed in the Blood, and not subject yourself be free from the judgement of those who would cast the first stome. Many blessings. justme |
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