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361 | Is Salvation only through Jesus Christ? | Acts 4:12 | jlpangilinan | 37282 | ||
Still my questions remains, it still not answered by YES! or a NO! You mentioned: The covenant God made with Abraham is still in force through Christ. Christ descended from Abraham in the flesh. Everyone who is born of Christ becomes a descendant of Abraham by faith, and thus heirs of the covenant. I will put here again the verse that I quoted in my last post. Ge 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 7. Ge 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. You mentioned that this promises is belongs to everybody that will accept Christ. But my friend, if you read the verse 8 of chapter 17 it was mentioned: Ge 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. It was given to them the land of canaan, meaning it very specified to them, to the seed of abraham. If you consider me as one of that promises, I must be there in canaan, because it is very clear that it will given to them (seed of abraham) the promise land that included in the covenant. How could you consider me as part of that promises, I am here in the Philippines thousand miles away from that promise land. That covenant is very specific for the Israelites because included in the covenant is the promise land. To weight my argument that covenant made with abraham is specific for them let us read this passages below: Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. If you can see, it was mentioned “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers” God bless, Johnny |
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362 | I have a related question for anyone... | Acts 8:13 | jlpangilinan | 69683 | ||
Quote" when we recieve salvation which is of the Lord... do we lose our own free will to choose God's way or the worlds way? are we no longer a free moral agent to do as we please?" No, your free will is still there, but the question is is if you are a save person are you willing to do world's way? As a save person I always get the example of Paul: Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. If Christ live in you, and not yours do you think its your will lead you in worldsway or to God's way? God bless, Johnny |
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363 | difference Christian and catholic | Acts 11:26 | jlpangilinan | 50949 | ||
You should post your note to me to a primary, so catholics in this forum would read your point, me myself is not a catholic, that is why I put "in principle" in my comments about catholic. I dont want to judge them because they believed mostly is doctrines of man (not in scriptures) Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. I leave it to God to judge everyone of us! God bless, Johnny |
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364 | difference Christian and catholic | Acts 11:26 | jlpangilinan | 50955 | ||
If you have doubt in your own denomination why you still there you should find the one that you have no doubt and there is no falsehoods of thier own. I do believed that when the apostle continue following Christ they have no doubt that Christ is the truth and the life, and they are in the right church. Do you think it is not bad to have doubt to your own group? How can you teach accurately your doctrines if you himself is not 100 percent sure that your teaching is true? God bless Johnny |
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365 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65682 | ||
How Jesus Christ fulfill the law anyway? Did He fulfill it like what moses taught? No! did He fulfill it by giving tithes or requiring anyone to give NO! Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus Christ fulfill the law with deep meaning, working on Sabbath is punisheable by death under the law of moses, but Christ allow His disciples with Him to go to cornfields, He also healed sick on Sabbath, did He disobey the law? If you said yes! Then Christ is imprudent to His word in Mt 5:17 if you said NO! and you will agree that Christ observing the law different from the people of Israel observing it. Mr 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. Jesus fulfill this commandments and gave this to us at the same time: Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. What it is in the law we disobey if we observe all this things None. And tithes is not a teaching of Christ Christ teach us that we have to be consistent, otherwise He will call us hypocrites! Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If you observe the tithes, you must observed other matters of the law! You did you kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in Sabbath day? Did you stone to death anyone caught in adultery? Did you not eat all food that prohibited by the law? If you don’t observed those and observe only tithing then My Lord will call you hypocrites! If you observed all those things then, we are from different believed you still under the law. God bless, Johnny |
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366 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65783 | ||
I know that ministry requires money, we have ministry, we have mission, we have evangelistic work on television, all of those needs money, but it is not a reason that we have to teach the teaching that not required by Christ. Paul support his own evangelistic he needs money too, he knows that ministry has requires money, why he did require the members to tithes? because he knows it is not a teaching of Christ. Instead he taught love offering. Do you think paul did not know that minstry requires money that is why he did not require anyone to tithes? if tithes really the very right way of supporting ministry I know paul will do the same thing but he did not do it because he knows that Christ never taught about this, and paul follow the teaching of Christ. If really giving tithes is the way to honor God, are you saying that the desciples did not honor God because they did not give tithes anyway? they never taught to give tithes but love offering, are they not honoring God? Our ministry survives by not requiring tithes but love offering. We have hospitals, home for the aged and for the most unfortunate member of the church, we support that by giving love offering, not ten percent nor 20 but any purposes of the heart. We follow the example of apostles they did not require anyone to give tithes, as they said the authority of receiving it is for the levites because they came from the loins of abraham. We are not levites so we have no authority to receive tithes but love offering. I know the teaching of apostle did have no mistakes when they said that the authority of receiving tithes is for the levites, we just follow that. God bless, Johnny |
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367 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65836 | ||
You write"Again you always go back to the Law. Forget it! You write"Tithing was before and after the Law. You do not have to be a Levite to receive a tithe that was under the Law." Are you suggesting that this verse is a lie? Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: It is not mentioned here that other can take tithes if not under the law. Nowhere in this verse that mentioned that they allow other to take tithes if not under the law. I have to follow the word of God instead of conclusions of other. You write"You always say Paul did not get paid but he clearly said a Pastor should be paid, He told how he took money from other churches to support himself. Why can't you see that?" You always take the discussion to somewhere else, I was talking of paul did not require anyone to tithes. If you remember the discussion now is tithing not about he took money from other churches, it nothing about the tithes. He did not mention that he took the tithes of other churches. You always take the discussion in somewhere else. We talk about tithes here. You write"Call it what you will love offering, tithe, giving money to the church. The fact remains ministry requires money and the people that receive from the ministry have a moral responsibility to support that ministry." Love offering indeed is different from the tihes,love offering was taught by Christ but not the tithes. We have responsibility to our church the same as we have responsibility for our unforunate members. We support our ministry by love offering that was taught by Christ. We know that ministry and missions requires money but this is not a reason that we have to teach the teaching that Christ never taught. God bless, Johnny |
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368 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 65998 | ||
EdB please calm down, please dont tell me that I making false statement you cannot prove that. Even before the law tithes is not a requirement Even abraham pay the tithes, no one requires give but he gave. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Jesus never said here directly that you give tithes, if you give tithes dont forget other matters of the law. As a proof of that no one can show that Jesus received tithes or any desciples give tihes and they not required anyone to tithes. If Jesus clearly said that we have to pay tihes why there is no single moment in the new testament that He receive tithes or there are any desciples give tithes are they not follow the commandments of Christ? Kindly answers those questions. Edb, we have to settle this in Christian tone, again may I request not accusing me of making false statement because you cannot prove that. To prove that I make false statement you should show me any person in the new testament that Christ requires to give tithes, and any single moment that there are desciples that give or receive tithes. May I ask you EdB, did you require your members to give tithes? I want an answer of Yes or No! God bless, Johnny |
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369 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66017 | ||
Again, I dont know if you are starting fight here, you always accussing me that my statement is false. Let me remind you that I post this question to you and you never ecxplain it yet. you can prove that my statement is false if you can prove that there is anyone give tithes to Jesus Christ is there any desciples that received tithes as well: This questions remains. If Jesus clearly said that we have to pay tihes why there is no single moment in the new testament that He receive tithes or there are any desciples give tithes are they not follow the commandments of Christ? Kindly answers those questions. If you cannot show any desciples that received tithes or any desciple that give tithes to Jesus Christ, it is clear that your statement was false and not mine. Johnny |
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370 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66108 | ||
My condition there is simple show me the scriptures that He received tithes, or the desciples that give or receive tithes. The mere fact that you cannot show it meaning it is not included in thier teaching. If this tithes is important it must be happened to the life of apostle, but they never do it, what always happened in terms of giving is love offering, the example of widow is a very fact that love offering is the teaching of Christ Paul teach us to give as cherful giver, if the tithes is the true teaching of Christ, why paul teach love offering instead of tithes. As paul he receive his teaching not from man but from Jesus Christ. So paul should teach tithing instead of love offering, if Christ really teach the tithe. What you showed me is your conclusions, bible was not written for your conclusions, it was written to believe in it. The woman help paul trough love offering paul did not ask them to give ten percent of thier income, it is you conclusion said that they maybe give tithes. If tithes is requirements and important the desciple should teach that and observed that but it never mentioned meaning it is not important for Christian. I asked you to show me the scriptures if they receive tithes, and give tithes. Your answer is but me I cannot show you too that they did not, if you you understand logic, how can I show the things that is not there! it is your responsibility that show that there is any people that observed tithing not me because I am believed that there no desciples in the new testamnet that observed tithing. So how can I show the things that I really believe that was not there, please repair your logic it quiet broken. I was wondering, and continue wondering, even before the law the tithe is not a requirements abraham give tithes but no one requires him to give but he gave. Under the law it was required by moses to give to the levites. it become an important part of thier religion. When Christ, he free us from the works of law, and make tithes not a requirements by teaching love offering. I was wondering that after Christ free us from the requirements of the law there people that trying to take them back and make again the tithes as a requirements. So the sequence is this. The time of patriach, the tithe is not a requirements but voluntarily as abraham did. In the time of moses it was a requirements. In the time of Christ and the desciples, it was love offering, when the time EdB comes, it was a requirements again. Go on EdB, I hope there are someone comes again that will free us in tithes as a requirements. God bless, Johnny I was wondering that there are people that trying to teach teaching that was not taught by the apostle, there people trying to be wiser than the authority of the bible. |
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371 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66138 | ||
Inmyheart, As I said in all of my posting regarding tithes, it is not a requirements, people can give freely but if there someone requires them to give, and the amount is mandated i.e ten percent or something there is something wrong. If Christ, and apostle did not require us to give ten percent, why others would try to require us? We can give as free as we can. If we can give more than twenty percent of our income please do, but make sure that there is no someone require you. Thanks for the note, I know we have some disagreement with this before. Everyone learned from each other, and I hope I can make it always in Christian tone. My apology for anyone if may made offended. God bless Johnny |
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372 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66149 | ||
You want me to stop but you still using your deffective logic. You write"I have readily admitted things that no one could prove, because they are simply not addressed in the Bible. I then said because it isn’t mentioned we should not assume it never happened. You mocked my logic. You said if it was important Jesus would have mentioned it. Then continuing with your logic you state because Jesus never mentioned it we shouldn't do it. Is that logic? Is it the truth? Jesus never mentioned driving or riding in a car yet it so very important we do this everyday, maybe we shouldn’t be doing it or maybe your logic doesn’t hold water." You know that we are talking about tithes but again you used another excuses like cars. Did cars is important for your salvation is that a doctrine that Christ has to mentioned it. We are talking about doctrine and teaching here not cars, and specifically tithing and not with the problem of traffic police. Please dont think that Christ will do teaching about cars or traffic this will not do with the teaching of Christ! I want really this topic remains in a Christian tone, but it is start accussing me of false statement. You try to insist your logic even it is nothing to do with the topic. Johnny |
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373 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66263 | ||
then, your logic is wrong, we are talking about tithes, but you bring the example of cars that was not mentioned. I was asking you to show me if some desciples pay tithes and who received tithes, because I believed that If tithe is really important they must observed that and it must recorded because it is part of a doctrine and teaching. You brought your logic that if it is not important why cars is not mentioned in the bible but it is important today. We are talking about tithes here, cars is nothing to do with the tithes and doctrine, if you think it is part of your doctrine it is up to you. I realize that you are interested in the things that not recorded at least in the new testament, than the recorded one. there is no recorded that Christ receiving tithes in the new testament, paul himself did not taught it, but you still come up with the conlcusion that they maybe received tithes. If tithes really is the important for Christian why paul taught love offering instead of tithing? it is not my opinion that tithes is not in the Christian, because it is not observed by the apostle I will not observed it also we just follow them, and I will not try to teach the teaching that they did not observe and taught. It is you CONCLUSIONS that they maybe observed YOU ARE NOT SURE IF THEY REALLY DO. Me i am sure that they did not observe it, otherwise they recorded it. Bible is not written for you conclsuions, it was written to make us believe in it not to have conclusions on it. Scriptures will not fail if regarding important teaching (not cars) Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. Receiving and observing tithes did not observe by the apostle it is you try to correct them by giving your conclusion that they maybe do it or practice it. It is up to you if your after to those it is not recorded that the recorded ones. Love offering is recored in the new testamnert, it was taught by the apostle. Tithes is not it is up to you if you are not believed in them and come up with your own conclusions. It is not me hard to understand, it is you you find things that is not recorded in the teaching of Christian, it is not recorded that they receive or give tithes, it is you correcting the scriptures that they maybe did. Who are you trying to change the letter of the authorize, who are you that trying to questions the authority of the bible by putting your own conclusion, who are you to make us believed that they is maybe some desciple that observed the tithing even it is not recored? Do you think we are going to believed your conclusions intead of the scriptures? The new testament did not recorded the event of receiving/giving tithes of the apostle, dont change that with your own conclusion it is a very strong attack to the author of the Bible. God bless, Johnny |
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374 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66276 | ||
I think the one that is none sense those wo are trying to add thier conclusions to what is really recorded in the bible. If questioning the authority of the bible make sense to you it is your descision. But I am really sure, that your conclusions cannot change what has been recorded. It is you trying to quote my post to someone anyway, it is not me started the trhead. May God bless you too. Johnny |
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375 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66277 | ||
I think the one that is none sense those wo are trying to add thier conclusions to what is really recorded in the bible. If questioning the authority of the bible make sense to you it is your descision. But I am really sure, that your conclusions cannot change what has been recorded. It is you trying to quote my post to someone anyway, it is not me started the trhead. May God bless you too. Johnny |
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376 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66367 | ||
Charis, Greetings from the Philippines, If you read the thread, and even before I am not really against giving, but if someone require me of some amount such as ten twenty percent is not really for the christian. Everyone is free to give to the church, whether it is ten twenty or even the whole of your salary it is acceptable to God, but in any purposes of the heart, and not as a requirements. Even in the time of patriach tithes is not a requirements, abraham give tithes but no one require him to gave but he gave. Tithe really becomes a requirements under the law of moses, everyone knows that. It was an important part of thier religion in order to support levites. But in the time of Christ, it is not a requirements, the teaching goes in a way of love offering (the example of widow). To prove that Christ did not require anyone to tithes is there is no single occassion in the new testament that both Christ and apostle never received and give tithes, it is the fact. I was wondering, and continue wondering that there are people again teach the tithes as a requirements, they cannot accept the teaching of love offering but tithes as a requirements. My wonder really is if Christ not required us to tithe, and the desciples never observed the tithes, why we should require our members to tithe? are more authorize than them? Charis, I hope you read the magazine Heaven can't wait. God bless, and Banzai! Johnny |
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377 | tithing | Acts 13:39 | jlpangilinan | 66493 | ||
Charis, In our church, we encourage our members to give love offering, any purposes of the heart, not ten percent, not twenty but in any purposes of the heart. Aside from that we discourage non-member to give love offering if they are our visitors. We put a something in the front that our visitors will see, "we are not accepted love offering from non-members" As a matter of fact we supported our church through love offering, our pastor did not received salary from the church, they have thier own job to support thier family. It is part of thier devotion not to be burdensome to a members what paul did.: 2Co 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. We have hospital (inside that convention center I was mentioneds to a year ago)and home for the most unfortunate members of the church. We have members that enable to give, this are members that no job, or two old already to work or disable person, we keep them in the home for our unfortunate members. As the apostle did, we never taught tithes, as part of the income of the church, we support our television program through love offering. We have big overhead for those program, and for the amount that we cannot paid, it our head brother find the solutions how to pay for those. He was inspired by the life of paul not to be burdensome to the members because we consider him as our parents in faith. Philippines is one of a developing country, we have people here stay in the garbage area, but to let you know we have no members that die because they cannot eat, we keep them we supported them, every members of the church counted, and for those most unfortunate, we bring them and help them, we have place for them. We take good care of every member of the church. God bless, Johnny |
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378 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64374 | ||
You write" While your right the requirement of a paying a tithe was an Old Testament law. Paying a tithe to show honor and worship is still in place. Abraham taught on this long before the law." This was always a response to me but if tried to asked a question regarding where abraham get his tithe they not response anymore, and I hope you can, I want you to support your reason. Where did abraham got his tithes anyway? Ge 14:16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people. Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. You write that abraham taught this before the law, are you suggesting that it is ok to Jesus Christ if I am going to kill my enemies and took thier goods and give tithes to Him. Do you think this action will be very acceptable to Jesus Christ? I know I asked this question to you before but you did not bother to answer. You write "I know you don't beleive in tithing but nonetheless tithing is still a valid way to honor and worship. If you beleive you can honor and worship God giving more or less then fine but 10 percent is a good starting place." is this biblical where you can read in the whole new testament that giving tithes is a good place to start? Authority of receiveing tithes was given to the levites: Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Who gave the authority to you or to your pastors to be a descendants of levi? No! it is not given to anyone of us. Paul gave us through his writing how to give, and to be a cheerful giver. God bless, Johnny |
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379 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64393 | ||
You write"Your right Johnny nowhere in the New Testament does it say to pay tithes, but it also does not prohibit it. If we following Abraham's example and using a tithe to pay honor and tribute nothing in the New Testament prohibits that." you are wrong in this Christ not prohibit the tithes if you do other part of the law. take a look at this verse. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Did you observe other part of the law of moses? Did youy kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in sabbath day? Did you prohibit your self eating food that prohibited by the law of moses? If you said yes then you still bound by the law of moses if said that NO! and Christ called that kind hypocrytes as He told to scribes and pharisees. You have to be consistent EdB when you observe part of the law you must observe evrything in it otherwise Christ will call you hypocrytes. You write:"As for Abraham killing others and bringing back their goods. Abraham was protecting his family and yes I think Jesus would allow that. His disciples carried swords and the main reason for carrying swords is to defend yourself. Notice Jesus never told them to get rid of the swords." Where in the new testament that desciples killed anyone depending themselves? John beheaded is he depended himself or killed anyone depending his own? Paul beheaded after imprisone did he kill someone depending himself? your suggestion is very far from the scriptures: Mt 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Please be careful if you suggesting something to someone. They maybe believed and took your advice, dangerous! I dont believed that Christ will allow this, he never required anyone to give tithes to Him, I dont think that He will happy receving a tithes if I took it to my enemies after killing them. Again, Your suggestion is very far from the teaching of Christ: Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; I dont think I will love my enemies by killing them or blessed them by taking thier goods and give it to the lord part of my tithes. Thanks for your suggestion anyway. You write "I’m not a descendant of Levi, however I am a royal priest, a chosen race, a holy nation and I do declare the excellencies of Him who called me out of darkness into his marvelous light." Then who gave you the Authority of receiving tithes? Can you show me based on the bible that you are now have the Authority receving tithes can you please show me the scriptures backing up your claim. You wrote: We have a moral obligation to support that which we benefit from. The Bible clearly say that a workman (someone that labors in the word or not) is worthy of his hire meaning deserving of pay. The bible also declares you should not muzzle the ox, which means again when someone is doing something that benefits you, you need to see they are feed. Paul clearly declared that since he feed them spiritually shouldn’t he expect them to feed him physically. The bible also declares the elder is worth of double honor (pay) especially those that work hard at teaching and preaching. Did paul collect the tithes? Where in the scriptures that paul being paid for his evangelistic work where is that? You wrote:"Pastors deserve to be paid, the church needs to be supported and missionaries need to be helped. That requires funds. It is not equal giving but equal sacrifice that is expected in that giving. And 10 percent is a good place to start." Can you show any desciples that received thier salaries from the church? Please show me. I know paul support himself by a tentmaker not by collecting tithes. Pastors that receive salaries is not in the bible, because desciples never collect salaries, because they know the teaching of Christ:Now if can show me any desciples that collect thier salaries please do. God bless, Johnny |
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380 | Do you pay tithes on whole check or part | Acts 15:1 | jlpangilinan | 64462 | ||
EdB, it is not getting no where! it is you did not disprove my point you asked me to show passages to you but you did not disprove any of my point, I asked you many times where in the bible give you authority to collect tithes you never show this to me. The fact that tithe is prohibited because you are not a descendants of levi are you? are we? If you are not the descendants of levi who give authority to receive tithes. The sense is there is no authority now for a christian to receive tithes, not you not me but the descendant of levi, now who gave the authority to receive tithes? You asked me where the passages prohibit tithes I show one and I asked you if you done other matters of the law and you did not response to it but to put your challenge to e what kind of discussion is this anyway you want me to show scriptures but it is you did not show first. Here is my points again please answers them first and show the scriptures that I asked before asked yours. You write"Your right Johnny nowhere in the New Testament does it say to pay tithes, but it also does not prohibit it. If we following Abraham's example and using a tithe to pay honor and tribute nothing in the New Testament prohibits that." you are wrong in this Christ not prohibit the tithes if you do other part of the law. take a look at this verse. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Did you observe other part of the law of moses? Did youy kill your brother and sisters if you found them gathering stick in sabbath day? Did you prohibit your self eating food that prohibited by the law of moses? If you said yes then you still bound by the law of moses if said that NO! and Christ called that kind hypocrytes as He told to scribes and pharisees. You have to be consistent EdB when you observe part of the law you must observe evrything in it otherwise Christ will call you hypocrytes. You write:"As for Abraham killing others and bringing back their goods. Abraham was protecting his family and yes I think Jesus would allow that. His disciples carried swords and the main reason for carrying swords is to defend yourself. Notice Jesus never told them to get rid of the swords." Where in the new testament that desciples killed anyone depending themselves? John beheaded is he depended himself or killed anyone depending his own? Paul beheaded after imprisone did he kill someone depending himself? your suggestion is very far from the scriptures: Mt 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. I dont believed that Christ will allow this, he never required anyone to give tithes to Him, How come that He will happy receving a tithes if I took it to my enemies after killing them. Again, Your suggestion is very far from the teaching of Christ: Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; I dont think I will love my enemies by killing them or blessed them by taking thier goods and give it to the lord part of my tithes. Thanks for your suggestion anyway. You write "I’m not a descendant of Levi, however I am a royal priest, a chosen race, a holy nation and I do declare the excellencies of Him who called me out of darkness into his marvelous light." Then who gave you the Authority of receiving tithes? Can you show me based on the bible that you are now have the Authority receving tithes can you please show me the scriptures backing up your claim. Did paul collect the tithes? Where in the scriptures that paul being paid for his evangelistic work where is that? Can you show any desciples that received thier salaries from the church? Please show me. I know paul support himself by a tentmaker not by collecting tithes. Pastors that receive salaries is not in the bible, because desciples never collect salaries, because they know the teaching of Christ:Now if can show me any desciples that collect thier salaries please do. The primary topic here is the tithe please dont jump for any topic that you want. Those are my point just answer them and show the scriptures that I requested and I promised I will answers your points. Just answer them one by one with a backup of scriptures. Show me also the scritures ans I will answers yours. If you fail to answers those then, I am sorry I will stop the discussion. God bless, Johnny |
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