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521 | Rapture question? | 1 Thess 4:17 | jlpangilinan | 23427 | ||
Thanks, Johnny |
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522 | does eternal have a beginning? | Jer 1:5 | jlpangilinan | 23291 | ||
Ethan, Do you believed that "Adam exist" or he knew what happened after he died?. Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 5. Torrey Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. How will adam knew it if he cannot know everything under the sun. I know it was mention that they are like God to know the right and wrong (the same us) they are not like God that has a capacity to know everything if they want to. God bless, Johnny |
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523 | does eternal have a beginning? | Jer 1:5 | jlpangilinan | 23289 | ||
Thanks Nolan, I really consider that. The reason why I am very interested to that aside from my personal intension is because of Some friends belong to Jehovas Withnessess, they are very particular in that question. They really believed that people will stay here in the earth (like Adam and Eve who live in Eden before) It was mention in the bible that we have to "be preapred in any question". God bless, Johnny |
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524 | does eternal have a beginning? | Jer 1:5 | jlpangilinan | 23287 | ||
Thanks Joe, I was wondering If I could get the answers with passages. I am very interested to that question because of some friends belongs to Jehovas Witnessess. They are really particular that Adam and Eve are not knowledgeable that someday they will leave in Heaven but instead people will leave in paradise. (like they was in Eden) Meaning God will restored the original plan for being in paradise (not heaven). They also believed that people will go to heaven are limited (not all of us). Johnny |
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525 | does eternal have a beginning? | Jer 1:5 | jlpangilinan | 22950 | ||
Thank you Sir Pent Your response was very good. But I really mean of concept of heaven is: Is Adam knowledgeable enough that when he died his soul will go to heaven? The same us we hope as Christians, as a promise to us by Jesus Christ. Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. Did Adam received this kind of promises from God? If he had received where in the bible it was written. We know that it is very important things so I sure Moses will going to record it if he found that promises of God. It was really the same that when Moses taught people of Israel he never mentioned that if people going to die, thier soul will go to heaven. The promises for them is the promise land and not heaven. If I can have the answers for my question base on scriptures I would be happy. I hope to get answers with the scriptures support. When I mention that this is off from the original topic, what I mean my topic and not anyone who are willing to participate in this topic. So if you have additional information regarding this I would very happy to read it. And maybe I would more than very happy if you can give it with an scriptures support. Thank you and God bless, Johnny |
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526 | does eternal have a beginning? | Jer 1:5 | jlpangilinan | 22949 | ||
Nolan, Thanks, Now what I can say is, it is really in the hand of God. I am just trying if I can get answers from those question of mine. God bless, Johnny |
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527 | does eternal have a beginning? | Jer 1:5 | jlpangilinan | 22812 | ||
It is nothing goes with your topic. My question is: Did Adam knows the concept of Heaven: Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. I am very interested to know it, meaning if there are scriptures that will support that Adam knew the concept of Heaven. (maybe he knows that God is in heaven) that if He disobey God His soul will be tormented in Hell. Or is he also will informed that If he obey God his Soul will go to heaven. We have promises of Heaven from Christ, but it seems Adam not knowledgeable about it: Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. Nolan, I post this question many times in the forum, it seems they dont have the answers yet. I hope you can help explaining it to me. God bless, Johnny |
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528 | Do we tithe on our net or gross? | Mal 3:8 | jlpangilinan | 22800 | ||
I dont think so. Jesus did not mentioned that he required everyone to give 10 percent, but the purposes of the heart. The verse that you quoted is really strict to the scribes because we know that time they very strick on the tihting and leave other most important teaching of God which included in the two great commandments. To give some example: Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus Christ mentioned that "He come not to destroy the law but to fulfil it" If for Jesus Christ really fulfilling the law is Just simply observing thithes and sabath and other things the included in the law of Moses why He not submit himself of doing it. He never pay tithe to anyone nor He reuired His desciples to give tithe to Him. He is God He got all the reason to collect the tithe right? The reasons of the Pastors today of collecting tithes because it is for God. My question is why Jesus Christ didntdo it. Baptism is a important things, would you agree? Jesus Christ would like us to emphasise how important it is. What did He do He required himself to be baptize to set an example to us, He asked John to baptized Him, He made Himself an example. My question to you now is if tithe really important guidelines or whatsoever, why Jesus Christ not required Himself to do what He like to do of His people. Tithe is included in the Law of Moses or even before the law given to Moses. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Please show me that tithe is not included in the law of moses and I would agree. It mentioned there in that passages that, Law of Moses "cannot Justified us" Why keep doing the things that cannot Justified us? If we are really want to observe one of the laws, why only the tithes we must observe all part of the law so we are consistent. Let me use your quoted verses for me: Lu 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If you read it carefully we have to be consistent of doing every part of the law, and not to leave other undone. If you just observe the tithe and not other laws it is the same that you leave other undone. Why we keep observing the tithe if we cannot observe laws like circumscision, killing animals for our sin, observing sabbath carefully stoned people to death if they do anything in sabbath, why we are not consistent? We have a new guideline of giving, and there is no required amount, but what is purposes of the heart. Just answers all my questions, and I would agree. God bless, Johnny |
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529 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22623 | ||
Michael, You stated this. "When I am defending free will giving I do not refer to the gospels because it is the teachings after the cross that I apply to my life. This understanding of law and grace has really free me from confusion and a lack of understanding of who I have become in Christ." You are right! when are the one who give there is no problem, if you can give more that 10 or 20 percent of your income to God and it is a purposes of you heart God will be happy for that. But what if you are the one who requires you people to give the 10 percent of thier income? We have a problem here. I think we have to know the guidelines of what Jesus want us to do. Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If we read that passages carefully, Jesus says "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" because they are the one who are very strick to collect tihes. It is the blame is for them. So if the pastors required people to give 10 percent of their income to the church, then that pastors is the same of that scribes and pharisees! Because we all know that the teaching of Jesus Christ on guidelines of giving are more love offering not to required people to give thier ten percent. You also mentioned this:"I do believe tithing was part of the mosaic law and also before the law was established(Abraham tithed to Melchizedek)." Actually I do believed that if this happened in the time of New Testament it will not tolerated. If we read that verse from Ge 14:17, Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. I dont think Jesus Christ will tolerated anyone to slaughter any person good or bad and took thier goods and give the tithe to God. Thank you, and God bless, Johnny |
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530 | Do we tithe on our net or gross? | Mal 3:8 | jlpangilinan | 22617 | ||
I am not mentioned that tithe is wrong in the Old Testament. They required to give, it is a very important part of Jewish religion: TITHE he first Mosaic law on this subject is recorded in Le 27:30-32. Subsequent legislation regulated the destination of the tithes (Nu 18:21-24,26-28; De 12:5-6,11,17; 14:22-23). The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. In the days of Hezekiah one of the first results of the reformation of religion was the eagerness with which the people brought in their tithes (2Ch 31:5-6). The neglect of this duty was sternly rebuked by the prophets (Am 4:4; Mal 3:8-10). Tithe is included in the law of Moses, and the law cannot justify us. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Why keep doing the things that cannot justify us? If really want to observe one part of the law you must observed it at all. We have to be consistent, We are ready to exclude the law of moses, why not the tithe. We are not observing the law of circumscision, kiliing of animals for our sins, why we occurse those things except tithe? My challenge to you now is can you show me if Jesus Christ include tithes in His teaching. Show me if Jesus required His desciple to give thier titges to Him. Or He made himself an example of doing so. If the tithe or (ten percent of income) is important, I am sure that Jesus Christ will require Himself to do it. We know that baptism is important, it is include in Christ teaching. Just to show us that it is important He required himself, He asked John to baptize Him. Guidelines of giving that taught for the Christians is goes Love, Grace, and Charity. 2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. There is no required amount, it is not mentioned of how much you can give, but of how much you love to give. If you heart allows you to give more 10 or 20 percent to the church it is acceptable to God. God love a cheerful giver. But there is no required amount, it never mentioned that it should be 10 percent of your income or whatsoever. Just to show some example: t 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.3 Scribes are very strick in collecting tithe, but Jesus Christ tell to them? Another example: Mr 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 42. Mr 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: This is a very clear example of love offering. She gave everything porposes of her heart, but there is no required amount. Now, if can show me that Jesus Christ taught to any person and require them to give it to Him, I would agree that tithing is right guidelines of giving for us Christians. God bless, Johnny |
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531 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22595 | ||
Michael Before we start this discussion let me put some clarifications. 1. In your own understanding, what is tithe for you. It is a ten percent of your income (net/gross)? 2. Or it is the same as love offering that was mentioned in the new testament. If your answer is it is the 10 ten percent of your income, then I will try to prove (with scriptures supporting it) to you that this teaching is different from the teaching of Jesus Christ. Just to clear my stand, I mentioned it many times when I have a discussion regading tithes, that giving is not wrong but there is no required amount it is not 10 percent or 20 percent of your income, but what porposes of your heart because God love a cheerful giver. In your second question. Again let me ask some clarifications Are you talking of "New Testament" or "NEW COVENANT" To make sure that we both agree, on which we are going to Begin our discussion. TESTAMENT: occurs twelve times in the New Testament (Heb 9:15, etc.) as the rendering of the Gr. diatheke, which is twenty times rendered "covenant" in the Authorized Version, and always so in the Revised Version. The Vulgate translates incorrectly by testamentum, whence the names "Old" and "New Testament," by which we now designate the two sections into which the Bible is divided. COVENANT: a contract or agreement between two parties. In the Old Testament the Hebrew word berith is always thus translated. Berith is derived from a root which means "to cut," and hence a covenant is a "cutting," with reference to the cutting or dividing of animals into two parts, and the contracting parties passing between them, in making a covenant (Ge 15:1-21; Jer 34:18-19). Michael, dont think that I am direct it to the point, I want to make sure that we both agree on which we are going to begin our discussion. Thanks also for your patient. God Bless, Johnny |
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532 | Is it God's will to tithe in pres. time? | Mal 3:8 | jlpangilinan | 22590 | ||
It sounds you came from a long mission. If I am correct praise the Lord! I know you did the good of Christ in many souls. I read many possitive post about you they are right! your explaination is not just about the content but formation from it. I have read some of your posting ( I mentioned it "some" because I am not able yet to read all its too many)I learn from it. God bless, Johnny |
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533 | Do we tithe on our net or gross? | Mal 3:8 | jlpangilinan | 22589 | ||
Applessed, I know that abraham gave his tithe. Additional input. But where he got the things that mentioned there Ge 14:17 ¶ And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale. 17. Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. Ge 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Ge 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. If you read it from Ge 14:17, Abraham slaughter Kings, and took thier goods and gave the tithe of all. Do you think Jesus Christ will tolerate us if we practice that kind of giving at this time. Do you think Jesus Christ will tolerate us if we going to slauther somebody bad or good people and take them goods and gave tithe of all. Sometimes some pastors when the taught tithes gave that passages focus just on that verse, they dont try to read it from verse 17. Just a clarification. God bless, Johnny |
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534 | Is it God's will to tithe in pres. time? | Mal 3:8 | jlpangilinan | 22462 | ||
Nolan, I really like your explaination to Spoken Power! Just to say hi! Its been a long time before I saw you again in the forum. God Bless, Johnny |
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535 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22461 | ||
Michael, Thanks, I but still, I dont see the relation of this to our discussion. What we start is if really the tithes is still the requirements for the Christians. Because my stand is As Christian we are not binding the law of Moses, and law will not justify us: Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Thank you and God Bless, Johnny |
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536 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22460 | ||
Charis, People can give during fellowship if they want, if they have no money it okay that what I mean of we are not collecting regularly. We can give every fellowship (sunday)but we are not require people. We are the one go to the love offering box if we have something to offer. Thanks again, God bless, Johnny If it is okay can I ask you what is your Nationality/where did you came from.By the way Hank write me a note when He knows that I came from Phil. |
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537 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22459 | ||
Charis, People can give during fellowship if they want, if they have no money it okay that what I mean of we are not collecting regularly. We can give every fellowship (sunday)but we are not require people. We are the one go to the love offering box if we have something to offer. Thanks again, God bless, Johnny If it is okay can I ask you what is your Nationality/where did you came from.By the way Hank write me a note when He knows that I came from Phil. |
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538 | Philippines? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22456 | ||
Hank, Yes I am from Philippines. You are right my favorite book in the Bible is the letter to the churches in the philippines. English is almost the second language for me although I accepted that I am not too good in writing it. My native tougue is Visayan my father has a little blood of Spanish. I am very happy to hear that you did sponsored a young child here in our country, we need more people like you here. Philippines is the only Christian country in this part of the world, but our politics is too much "dirty" so to speak. There are too many religions here now (I am happy for it) although most of Filipinos are catholic. Thanks for the note. God bless, Johnny |
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539 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22433 | ||
Charis, I dont know if the term colect is right. We are not regularly collect, any members are open they can give anytime they want. It is in them if they have something to offer. The only announcement that I heard that the leader of church asking help is when that convention center is about to finish. After that it is in the member if how often they want to help the church. And the church survive. Those who can help big we know that they are capable of doing it, there is no special treatment for them just like how important every member was. God bless, Johnny |
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540 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22418 | ||
Charis, You said, No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, When you answer my note to (i dont recall) I am sure that You understand that my understanding of tithe is 10 percent. As a matter of fact the title of this question and answer is "release from 10 percent". What is tithe for you? it is 10 percent or not? If tithe is the same as love offering why Jesus Christ gave another guidelines. When you teach that tithe is an attitude of the heat what do you mean of this did you tell to co-churches that it is the same of love offering, or you tell to them that it is the ten percent of thier income. (i dont know if it is gross or net) You also mentioned that you dont understand what I am trying to say. Or you dont want to understand it. I gave the example of a widow, I know if you are a pastor (or whatsoever title that you have in your church)I know you read that passages and I know you understand it. That is the guideline, there is no require amount. You also mentioned "No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,'" Why? it seems you afraid that you cannot defend tithe using the scriptures, instead you want to convince me with your story. If I am in the discusion I am always try to defend my stand using scriptures and not using fairy tales. If you want to convince me, try to convince me using passages in the Bible. Like what I mentioned if you recall, if anyone can show me that Jesus Christ included tithe in His teaching, "I am ready to embrace that teaching again" This is my challenge to you now, show me. Our topic here is "TITHE" it is really in the Bible. I am interested in this topic because it is in the bible. I will not participating here in this forum for other things that not included in the bible. What is it you trying to prove? If you arguing me with your own knowledge, I will not be interested anymore, just prove me wrong using the scriptures and not with your own conclusions. Now if the tithe for you is not a ten percent, what is it for you? because if it is a ten percent, then you required people to give 10 percent of thier income. If you can answer what is tithe for you, is ten percent or not I think we can start a new discussion. But I really sure you understand it in the beggining of this discussion because it is the title of the question. My argument is very simple, but you did not try to disprove it. Again Here is my agrument: Please show me that Jesus Christ required himself to Give tithe. Or you can show me that He taught to His desciple to gave tithes. He required Himself to be baptize by John to set an example to us. If the tithe is a right guidelines why Jesus Christ dont do it as an example? Please disprove my stand using passages in the scriptures and not with your own. If you prove you are right using the scriptures then I would agree. When you taught people in the pulpit I am sure you taught them using the scriptures, why not trying to teach me using the scriptures? Just prove to me that I am wrong, but please use passages in the scriptures. I know you keep ignoring my argument, but I hope you are ready to answer it this time. I am not trying to offend you with the kind of questions, Just disprove them using the scriptures and I would agree. |
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