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341 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66744 | ||
Dear retxar, Greetings in the name of Jesus! My friend, that is pretty negative! :-) You have Scriptures, but they are ineffective? I await your 'best shot!' :-) Please don't misunderstand me about 1 Corinthians 7:14. I do not consider it a 'proof text.' I only say that it could bring comfort to us that our children are under 'special consideration' for a 'season.' I don't think of it as salvation, per se, unless they are taken by the Lord before their own time of calling. I believe that my girls were in the Lord's care until they came to know Him on their own. If they were rebellious and recalcitrant through high school, never honoring parents or God, I would indeed fear for their lives! So, no, I don't think your 'all-children-since-Noah' is viable. Now, to your scenario: Are all children saved until a 'time of reckoning (responsibility)?' What sin must be committed in order to lose that salvation? When? So, are saved adults either saved-lost-saved or saved-saved, or are they just predestined-saved? And the lost are saved-lost (when?), or born-saved-but-predestined-lost? Or, is anyone lost at all? (this is getting REALLY confusing! :-)) My fellow forumer, I readily admit that I do not have all the answers. I try my best to stay within the basic perimeters of the Bible without undue emotional conjecture. I would LIKE for all kids to be saved, but I have a hard time understanding God's rationale for 'unsaving' them. If sin is the reason for losing my childhood salvation, then I know I am not worthy of 'renewed' salvation. If my 'choice' got me saved after being lost after childhood salvation, then only those in the correct circumstances can be saved. For there are many that don't have the various 'choices' laid out before them. Which kind of brings us back to God chose me, by grace, because I KNOW I was lost! Thank you, too, for the fellowship. Why don't you give those Scriptures a try? Maybe they are more effective than you think! :-) Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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342 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66751 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! I understand your thinking. (I think) 1) Unless one commits sins that they know are sins, there is no transgression. 2) We will be judged according to our works. Thank you Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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343 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66854 | ||
Dear retxar, Greetings in Jesus' name! Friend, Maybe you were right not to post these Scriptures. :-) Maybe my English is getting rusty, but I was under the impression that 'as' and 'such as' meant 'to the same degree or amount, for instance, in the way or manner that,' etc., but did not equate the example with the subject. In other words, the child or children were used as the example of the manner in which we pursue the kingdom of God. So far, every commentary I have studied says the same thing. Now, you'l have to trust that I came up with my thinking on my own, and just recently (this thread) sought out the combined wisdom of much more able scholars than me. Please do not accuse me of following tradition, that would not 'stick' on me! :-) Perhaps these commentaries are all wrong, and indeed the original words of the Lord meant to include the child-children used for example. Then you have revelation I do not. As to the children in Mark definitely NOT being the disciple's children, I guess you mean that disciples would never rebuke their own children? :-) Or perhaps the disciple's children would never need rebuke? Indeed, heavenly children. :-) I agree that the Lord gives us no idea whatsoever of all children's heavenly status. As to secure-lost-saved, I don't think I was secure as an infant or child. My observation is that children are very insecure, unless every need is met! :-) Sure, we have this image of a contented babe-in-arms, but in the light of reality, children are cranky and upset and willful UNLESS they are fed, changed, warm (but not too warm), AND constantly ensconced in their mother's arms. Perhaps I have only seen the 'colicky' babies? :-) Please don't misunderstand me, my forum fellow, I do not feel it is 'right' for all children to be saved; my emotions feel it would be 'fair.' Big difference. If God were in the business of being 'fair' by human emotional standards, then the only people sent to hell would be those YOU (or another) thought deserved it! If this is the case, then is God listening (obeying) YOUR viewpoint, or another person's viewpoint? Or will God judge by 'majority-rules' or 'popular-vote?' I tend to trust that God is righteous, even if He condemns some that I 'feel' are innocent, or even if He saves some I 'feel' are unworthy. Please note, dear retxar, that I have not said that I am convinced that all children of the unsaved are in hell if they died before they had their 'chance.' I have only stated that the Bible gives us no clear assurance that they are in heaven. So far, you have not provided me with a convincing argument that would supercede the opinion of the many scholars I have studied. "I know not why God's wondrous grace to me He hath made known, nor why, unworthy, Christ in love redeemed me for His own. But I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day." D.W.Whittle (2 Timothy 1:12) Thank you for responding to my questions, and giving me your view on this issue. Blessings to you and yours in Christ Jesus, charis |
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344 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66868 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Re: Luke 19:10: I think we are 'lost' through Adam's sin. Man was created in God's favor, but lost favor in the fall of Adam. Re: Hebrews 2:9: Without getting involved in a freewill/election debate, if 'everyone' means everyone, then why are ANY lost? The hypothetical 'all children' is more (to me) and emotional issue than anything else. Some really want the 'unborn and babes that die' to be in heaven. So the 'everyone' clause us brought up, but ignored when we ask about those souls that 'choose' death, even though they have no means to hear the Gospel. (more hypotheticals) Or is it that the only ones deserving hell are those that have full use of their mind and memory, the opportunity and ability to hear the Gospel message, and the the physical and mental ability to respond? So...unless one actually mimics the rebellious sin of Adam, we are not guilty or culpable? IMHO, this sounds like the humanist 'fairness' or 'social-correctness.' I prefer to trust that God knows what He is doing, and if He needed to explain 'innocence,' He would have expressed Himself better. Still, I have been offered no Scriptural evidence of 'innocence.' Re: Luke 9:56: If He meant to save everyone, He would have started with His beloved Adam. He has the power to save anyone and everyone. But His ways are NOT our ways. (Thank You, Lord!) Re: Old Testament 'salvation:' Only men were oficially 'saved.' Apparently, women and children are under the 'covering' of circumcised men. (!) The age 20 accountability? I dunno! Youth allowed into the Promised Land? Yes, God's grace is evident even in the Old Testament! Finally, my friend, let me say that I don't 'know,' or even 'believe' that the unborn, or infants, or mentally unfit, or ignorant, etc., are in hell. I am simply stating that there is no convincing Scriptural evidence that they are in heaven. Maybe they are. But I do not place my trust in God according to 'the way things should be according to Randy.' I read the Word, commune with God in prayer, and trust absolutely that He is righteous. I try to stay away from emotion and conjecture. Probably I am not completely successful. But in this issue, I cannot place those in heaven that the Bible does not clearly place. When 'that day' arrives, I will most likely be surprised at some of the choices He made, or did not make. Nonetheless, I will praise the name of Jesus! Because He chose me, not the other way 'round. Hope you had a great ride! I used to ride quite a bit, too (mountain bikes), but back injury now forbids it. :-( Now I ride a 'powered bicycle.' (CS650 Scarver) Blessings and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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345 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66880 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in Jesus' name! Boy, that was anticlimactic! Perhaps it was my naivete, but I was under the impression that you were accumulating my comments (and the comments of others) for the purpose of drawing some conclusions and sharing it with me (us). Even if you came to totally different conclusions, at least I would have the satisfaction of knowing you were wrong! :-) Well, bless you anyway... (You will understand if I'm a bit shy about spending a lot of time studying to answer your 'hypotheticals' in the future, won't you?) Ride on, Cyclist! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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346 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66885 | ||
Dear retxar, Greetings in the name of Jesus! 10 Friend, no apologies are demanded at all! I was simply making a rhetorical statement to preclude the possibility that I was following the tradional (the commentaries) viewpoint. Truly, I was not implying that YOU were accusing me. I am sorry that it came out wrong. Though we are holding a 'conversation,' it is on a public forum, and some might think I was only parroting the commentators. The 'won't stick' part was a joke, because few that know me could accuse me of holding to 'tradition.' Again, my fellow saint, this was not directed to you, and I am the one to apologize. 2) I stand corrected. That particular passage is clear that it is not the disciple's children. I did not check this out before posting. Nonetheless, these children were probably those of 'seekers of Jesus,' as it is implied that they were still 'in the house' that Jesus was staying in while the region of Judea by the other side of the Jordan (vs. 10:1 and 10:10). It seems unlikely that they were non-Jews or even the children of the Pharisees, so I came to the conclusion that they were the children of 'followers' of Christ, but not 'capital-D' Disciples, who did the rebuking, and received a rebuke for it! Sorry for the slip! (blushing with shame!) Brother (I think! When ARE you going to give a user profile?!?!), I am not being facetious or pugnacious in any way. Really! I've lived in Japan the majority of my life, speak Japanese all day long, eat Japanese food, and even sometimes translate my words Japanese to English in my writing. Though educated in English, it is sometimes like a second language, not my first. I apologize if my (weird, misplaced) humor is not understandable. I'll try harder in the future! Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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347 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66898 | ||
Deal Blo lextal, Grad thele's no ploblem! (solly, courdn;t herp myserf!) ;-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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348 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66909 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in the name of Jesus! No pain intended, but perhaps a mild rebuke. ;-) My friend, this is not an 'elite' forum. Last I counted, we have no 'Gakusha-sama' or 'Parisai-bito' (Scribes or Pharisees). Just folks with a variety of gifts and callings, and a love for the Bible. Any and all questions, answers, notes, ideas and opinions and answers are considered worthy, within the guidelines set by our hosts, and common courtesy and respect. You have met all necessary criteria, so be bold! I, too, am a layperson. Though called to shepherd a flock of his sheep, I am but one organ in His body. "For also the body is not one member, but many." 1 Corinthians 12:14 NASB. read through... "But zealously strive after the better gifts. And yet I show you a way according to excellence:" 1 Corinthians 12:31 NASB. My fellow forumer, zealously strive for more! If you make a mistake, you may be embarrassed, but you will learn. But you will learn little but prejudice if you wait until all things are settled in your mind. I, for one, look forward to your answers and notes. I'm also interested to know if anything I posted had a positive effect! I hope that's not being selfish? ;-) Ride on, Cyclist! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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349 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 67013 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Brother, a little fireworks is normal on a public forum. :-) Indeed, switching gears is also very normal. What began as a fairly straightforward question became a somewhat emotional issue. I have read carefully your posts, and looked into the Scriptures you used in reference. I continue to find little convincing argument for the innocence and-or blanket release of children from the sin of Adam. I base my beliefs on the lack of evidence, and my observation of the rebellious nature of children. I've said this same thing several times, so many will want to pin a 'broken record' label on me. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5 NASB. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:6 NASB. "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of discipline will remove it far from him." Proverbs 22:15 NASB. Yet again, I say that I have no desire to 'place' babies in hell. I simply find little concrete evidence they are in heaven. God is just. I rest in His justice. Mark 2:17 - We are saved from our sin, from the nature that curses us, not our actions. Therefore, we are saved by grace through faith, not because we decided to repent. Matthew 21:15 - I doubt these children were 'infants and babes.' They were most probably the children of believers. We DON'T know. So don't presume. John 20:23 - WE don't forgive (to salvation) anyone. James 4:17 - Children are aware they are sinning. They know when they take another chold's toy that it is not right. They know to displease the one who feeds them is not right. In any case, many adults 'sin in ignorance' and are accountable. This is the sin of foolishness. 2 Timothy 2:19 - Amen! Friend, it is late. Good night and God bless. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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350 | Executive privilege? | Matt 18:17 | charis | 1149 | ||
Dear bjanko, You answered my main point, which was that the church should be aware and involved in church discipline, up to a point dictated by common sense. I agree that vv 18-20 are not just about prayer. Obviously they have something to do with the context. I am not sure I agree with your 'take' on them ('church authorities' speaks to me of a church hierarchy I am unfamiliar with), but neither do I 'violently' oppose it :-) I will look into it, and get back if I think it is worth discussion. As to examination prior to ordination, I think that post-ordination examination is also in order. I am sure you are aware of a lot of 'wonderful fellows' falling from their ministry. In some manner (not just finances or hierarchy) a minister should be accountable to his flock. It is for his protection. By heinous I meant something that would divide the church or weaken the already weak. Deception, violence, and infidelity also come to mind. That which causes the church or individuals to stumble? In effect, anything that isn't healed by your last statement. Thank you for a good discussion. I hope others were blessed as I was. In Christ Jesus. | ||||||
351 | "Herodians" who were they? | Matt 22:16 | charis | 21496 | ||
casiv, What are you talking about? schwartzkm made a fair comment. Your answer to DavidB was, in a nutshell, "Read the Bible with a Strong's, and you'll find out yourself." This was no answer, and was rude to boot! Now you are rude and condescending to schwartzkm! casiv, if you don't know the answer, please sit down and hold your tongue. If you know the answer to a question, or think you do, then state it clearly and succinctly, preferably backing it up with relevant Scripture. Please stop the rambling and the curses! Finally, stop acting like you are enlightened, and all of us are ignorant fools. You could hardly say that Jesus is pleased with this kind of behavior. I say this with love in Christ Jesus, charis |
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352 | "Herodians" who were they? | Matt 22:16 | charis | 21982 | ||
Dear casiv, With love in Jesus I write to you. I really don't know what your point is. I have read this post through several times, as well as your other posts. I see that you are defending yourself, but I don't know what it is you are defending. You keep promising to clarify, but you are failing to do so. The burden of clarity rests on the proclaimer. You are responsible to make yourself understood. We are not responsible to understand you. I live in Japan, and preach the Gospel. Japanese is not my native tongue. When I first came, I was not able to make myself understood, even though I WAS speaking the Japanese language. I had to pray, to study, to practice, to ask questions, to listen to others. Then I had to say simple things, and work up from there, confirming as I went that I was communicating the Gospel. After several years, my efforts, in God's grace began to bear fruit. I still study, listen, pray, and ask questions, but there is a bit more maturity than before. So it is with you. You have to communicate and bear fruit. You are trying to give us everything you have, and we don't understand. Slow down. gain a litle bit of knowledge from your audience, not just your mentor. If you have got something to say that is worth hearing, we will be a good audience. But you are responsible to communicate with us, not the other way around. As EdB has been asking, tell us a little bit about yourself. What are you basic doctrines? Are you affiliated with any major groups? If not, what does your group believe about some of the foundational teachings of Jesus? Water baptism, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, the blood and the Cross, resurrection, faith, sin, eternal judgement, etc. Answer some of the questions dealing with these fundamentals with simple, concise answers, and back it up with a few pertinent Scriptures... Then we can begin to communicate. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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353 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | charis | 30626 | ||
Dear ArtS, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Friend, we should not assume that God will take away our salvation when we sin. In the parable of the Prodigal Son, I don't think that we can say that he 'lost' his salvation. Certainly, he 'lost' his way (like a kid in a departmant store or my wife in a parking lot) and even 'lost' his portion of the inheritance, but he did not stop being a son. His father was still his father, and he was still the father's son. If we were to 'lose' our relationship with the Father when we sin (we ALL sin!), and since we cannot know the hour of our death, then our salvation would become a matter of luck or fate! Will you be 'in' or 'out' when YOU die? This is a scary doctrine! I do see that the Bible speaks of an 'unforgiveable sin.' I have no doubt that this sin is not a casual sin, a stumble or a weakness. This is purposeful, outright rebellion against the sovereignty of the Holy Spirit. Few are capable of this kind of sin after knowing the Lord Jesus. So, for most practical purposes, once you are saved, you will continue to be saved. Starting in God's grace, and finishing by God's grace. Peace and love in Christ Jesus, charis |
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354 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | charis | 30857 | ||
Dear ArtS, Greetings in Jesus' name! To me, your idea of salvation speaks nothing of sanctification or covenant. Every time we 'deny' Christ by sinning, we are unclean and the God-initiated covenant is broken. True? After all, sin is any thought, action, or inaction that is against the will of God. When Our will supercedes the will of God (which happens to all!), then we effectively deny Christ. Or are you saying that we can sin without denying Christ? This leads us to a mortal sin/venial sin/overlooked sin type of theology. 1) Matthew 10:32 speaks of a confession that is a promise, a covenant, not a temporary relationship. (until we 'deny' Christ) In 10:33, the word deny (disown) cannotes a final decision, not a 'side-track.' 2) I agree that the door is always open for repentance, both for the lost and for the saved. The saved are called to repentance, too! It is part of our sanctification by the Holy Spirit! 3) I understand you Arminian leanings, but this goes beyond the choice to choose God or not. Choose, deny, choose, deny...etc. clearly implies that we did NOT choose God with much conviction! It also implies that the God-initiated covenant is not very strong or binding. 4)The thief on the cross had no previous saved/unsaved gyrations. He was moved upon by the Holy Spirit to recognize Christ. To say that we can know salvation, then 'lose' it by denial of Christ (willfully living 'our way' with no compunction) until just prior to death, then be fully reinstated to a sinless state with no accountability (judgment at the seat of Christ), mocks God, and denies sanctification by the Holy Spirit. 5) But you ARE saying that Jesus is the Author of our salvation, but we choose to finish (perfect) it according to our will. We alone decide whether or not we want to 'keep' our salvation or 'lose' it! I would make a lousy Calvinist, but your Super-Arminian stance is beyond me! :-) Peace to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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355 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | charis | 30897 | ||
Dear ArtS, Greetings in Jesus' name! Sorry about your lost post. :-( If it's any comfort, we've all had them. If sin is just sin, then we can do as much of it as we please as long as we don't deny Jesus? Hmmm. According to Strong's: confess, 3670 - Greek 3670 homologeo hom-ol-og-eh'-o from a compound of the base of 3674 and 3056; to assent, i.e. covenant, acknowledge:--con- (pro-)fess, confession is made, give thanks, promise. From Robertson's Word Pictures: Deny - Note accusative here (case of extension), saying "no" to Christ, complete breach. This is a solemn law, not a mere social breach, this cleavage by Christ of the man who repudiates him, public and final. Art, this is not just my opinion. A good many faithful Christians believe that Jesus would not deny them lightly. To sever our relationship with God is serious business! I am not sure of your true feelings, but you make it sound almost whimsical. And you make God sound like some bean-counter, tallying denials and repentances until the day of our death. You said that you don't want to judge people that have been 'led away,' but you just DID judge them! You said that they are now going to hell. If that is not judging, what is? No, we know next to nothing about the thief on the cross. I do not deny that deathbed repentance is possible, I just have to wonder about those 'calculated' deathbed repentances. :-) "All we do is accept or deny it." Again and again? How droll! No, no cape or insignia! :-) OK, no labels... Uh, what was your name? :-) Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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356 | We perfect our faith? | Matt 22:37 | charis | 30998 | ||
Dear bygraceyearesaved, Greetings in the name of Jesus To answer your question first, I see myself as both, and I have no difficulty loving my Master and Father and Savior. Please don't misunderstand my conversation with ArtS. I was disagreeing with his statement that we lose our salvation at all! I am well aware that the consequences of sinning after knowing God are not death. But we do reap what we sow, and will be judged one day for our actions. This judgment is not about heaven and hell (I know whom I have believed!), but about eternal reward. "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 NASB. Finally, not wanting to sin does not guarantee our ability to live a sinless life! :-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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357 | "Call no man father" | Matt 23:9 | charis | 66625 | ||
Dear Emmaus, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I see that you DID post this study. Sorry, I didn't check the 'daily postings,' only those that sent me automatic notification. :-( Friend, I am not really against the use of 'titles' as a show of honor and respect. Otherwise, I would be as guilty as anyone else! The context of the above Scripture is warning all ministers of the DESIRE to hear 'Rabbi' or 'Teacher' or 'leader.' I can clearly see the inherent danger and temptation of this attitude. As to the verse in question, it is pretty clear and specific. So specific, in fact, that even many explanations fail to make me understand allowing such a tradition to continue. There is indeed the problem of those ministers 'confusing themselves with God.' Moreover, the problem is that it encourages the flock to confuse these men with God. This is unacceptable, to me. But, my gentle colleague, this is but my opinion. Thank you for the post, I do understand better the use of the title. Finally, regarding Rabbi Mark, I understand that your 'situation' with him was not about his 'Username.' That was more my doing. But he was rather caustic and condescending to all, and his misquote of Matthew 23 made me to ask him about his 'title.' Sadly, he never answered the questions I asked, but continued to be arrogant toward the whole forum, and now has left, angry and self-inflated. I hoped to have a Biblical discussion for mutual benefit. Well...that's a forum. Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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358 | Woe to us? | Matt 23:13 | charis | 2207 | ||
Dear prayon, I take it that you are not a minister, or at least not of the 'paid clergy' type. I once brought this up before a group of said type, and thought they were going to get a stake and some kindling! :-) I did make it out of the meeting alive, but I was never invited again! Though I do not have the exact answer, I would guess that the 'humiliation'and 'de-humanization' (less like man, more like Jesus) of ministry is necessary. 'Dollars to doughnuts' (not very applicable any more :-) says that Ephesians 4:11 is part of God's plan for unifying the church against Pharisaical order. Thank you for a clear, honest answer. Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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359 | Woe to us? | Matt 23:13 | charis | 2208 | ||
Dear JVH0212, Please look at answer to prayon in this same thread. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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360 | Question Number Two? | Matt 24:44 | charis | 3532 | ||
Dear JonnyRay49423, Your confession is received and applauded loudly! Oh, I believe there are several hints about the end time. But, as the above scripture says, Jesus will not come when you think He will, and in another scripture "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming." Matt 24:42 NASB. So, as you said earlier, we must be prepared today. No eschatology or hypothesis should affect that stance in nay way. Blessings to you in Jesus' name, charis |
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