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3261 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78343 | ||
Go back to post # 77597 ... In part ... "Corresponding to" or "symbolizes" (NIV) or "like figure" (KJV) is the Greek word antitupon. It means copy, a thing formed after some pattern, a thing resembling another, its counterpart. Baptism is a copy of or corresponds to something else. What is it? We need to look at the context. I see two choices - the flood or the ark? Which saved Noah and his family? It was the ark. -- Does the baptism have to be water baptism, or can it be being baptized by the Spirit? Remember Noah's 8 didn't get wet. |
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3262 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78358 | ||
But did the water save Noah'a 8? Or was it the ark? Does the pronoun have to agree ... I found four verse (there are more). What nounn is the hos talking about? John 1:15 John bore witness of Him, and cried out, saying, " This (hos) was He of whom I said, 'He who (hos) comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'" John 1:30 " This (hos) is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who (hos) has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.' John 1:42 He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "You are Sim on the so n of John; you shall be called Cephas" (which (hos) is translated Peter). Ephesians 1:9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which (hos) He purposed in Him. Searcher |
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3263 | How Does Baptism Save? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78394 | ||
Disciplerami, I sit corrected. However, the water didn't save Noah's 8, the ark did. I am going to start a new thread. | ||||||
3264 | Is this baptism by the Holy Spirit? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78473 | ||
Scripture ...Acts 2:38, 10:44-48, 15:7-8, 19:2; Rom 12:4-7; 1 Cor 6:19, 12:13; Eph 1:13; Tit 3:5, 1 Jo 2:20, 27 Disciplerami, I was hoping others would share. The view that 1 Peter 3:21 is not water baptism is a minority view. You asked, "Do you command people to be baptized of the Holy Spirit?" ... I do not know of a command to be baptized by the Holy Spirit ... but there may be groups that say differently. You asked, "Does Holy Spirit Baptism save you?" ... We receive the Holy Spirit at conversion and I would say we are baptized by Him, then. -1 Corinthians 12:13 says "we were all baptized in the Spirit." Based on the context, I believe it is at conversion, when becoming part of the (one) body. -The gift of the Holy Spirit is received when one repents (Acts 2:38). -Paul was expecting the Holy Spirit to be received then people believed (Acts 19:2). -In Acts 10:44-48, we see Cornelius and Company receive the Holy Spirit. Note in this passage, there is no "sinner's prayer", going forward, et. al. -In Acts 15:7-8, He purifies, which I believe what baptism is. Also, we are -Regenerated by the Spirit (Tit 3:5) -Anointed by the Spirit (1 Jo 2:20, 27) -Indwelt by the Spirit (1 Cor 6:19) -Sealed by the Spirit (Eph 1:13) -Enabled with spiritual gifts (Rom 12:4-7; 1 Cor 12) Can you be saved without Holy Spirit tongue speaking tongues of fire with accompanying sound of a violent rushing wind BAPTISM? ... This only happened once, so the answer is yes. One question for you. Do you believe there are two baptisms ... one inwardly, by the Holy Spirit and other outwardly, by "immersion"? Searcher |
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3265 | Is this baptism by the Holy Spirit? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78532 | ||
I get up three hours before they do on the weekend. I can study, even beyond my quiet time in Exodus. I thought about this answer last night, taking notes as we watched TV. I take time out during the day to respond. |
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3266 | Answering Baptismal Regeneration | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113477 | ||
Answering Baptismal Regeneration .............. Scripture ... Jhn 5:24, Rom 3:28, 1Co 12:13, 2Co 3:17, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 2:8-9, Heb 11:7, 1Pe 3:18-22, 2Pe 2:5; 3:6 ... "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; (19) in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, (20) who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (21) And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—NOT the removal of dirt from the flesh, BUT an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (22) who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him," (1 Pet. 3:18-22, NASB). The key word is the Greek antitupon, "corresponding to that," NIV translates as "symbolizes," and the KJV as "like figure." 1 Peter 3:21 shows that baptism is a symbol of His death and His death does save us. Remember that Noah and family didn't get wet, those who died did. It was Noah's faith and obedience that saved him (Heb 11:7). Peter refers to the flood waters as the means of destruction of the ungodly (2 Pet 2:5; 3:6) What like is the figure? The ark in (vs 20). The water didn't save Noah's 8, nor did it remove of dirt from the flesh, unless they were outside while it was rain. Could it be that "corresponding to that" (vs 21) refers back to "safely" (vs 20)? “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh”--not a bath, not physical water! But the answer of “what”? A good conscience toward God. Then, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Pet 3:21 talks about the conscience and says this is not about removal of dirt from the flesh. I see it is baptism by the Holy Spirit through Christ's resurrection. Does the baptism refer to water baptism, or that by the Holy Spirit (1Co 12:13, 2Co 3:17 and Gal 3:26-27)? The Holy Spirit. It is by faith alone that we are saved (Jhn 5:24, Rom 3:28, Eph 2:8-9 ... and more) Also read posts 2608 2607 |
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3267 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113478 | ||
Scripture ... Jhn 5:24, Rom 3:28, 1Co 12:13, 2Co 3:17, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 2:8-9, Heb 11:7, 1Pe 3:18-22, 2Pe 2:5; 3:6 ... "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; (19) in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, (20) who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (21) And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—NOT the removal of dirt from the flesh, BUT an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (22) who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him," (1 Pet. 3:18-22, NASB). The key word is the Greek antitupon, "corresponding to that," NIV translates as "symbolizes," and the KJV as "like figure." 1 Peter 3:21 shows that baptism is a symbol of His death and His death does save us. Remember that Noah and family didn't get wet, those who died did. It was Noah's faith and obedience that saved him (Heb 11:7). Peter refers to the flood waters as the means of destruction of the ungodly (2 Pet 2:5; 3:6) What like is the figure? The ark in (vs 20). The water didn't save Noah's 8, nor did it remove of dirt from the flesh, unless they were outside while it was rain. Could it be that "corresponding to that" (vs 21) refers back to "safely" (vs 20)? “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh”--not a bath, not physical water! But the answer of “what”? A good conscience toward God. Then, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Pet 3:21 talks about the conscience and says this is not about removal of dirt from the flesh. I see it is baptism by the Holy Spirit through Christ's resurrection. Does the baptism refer to water baptism, or that by the Holy Spirit (1Co 12:13, 2Co 3:17 and Gal 3:26-27)? The Holy Spirit. It is by faith alone that we are saved (Jhn 5:24, Rom 3:28, Eph 2:8-9 ... and more) Also read posts 2608 2607 |
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3268 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113513 | ||
I am saved by faith. Period. Does baptism save? NO ... and if you read the Greek in 1 Peter 3:18-22 you will see I am correct. |
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3269 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113575 | ||
Those who don't jump (faith) are lost ... we need to jump (faith - Eph 2:8-9) into to life raft of what Christ did - as God by coming down to earth (John 1:14) to die for my sins, while I was still on the sinking ship of sin (Rom 5:8) ... it is His grace (Eph 2:8-9). |
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3270 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113686 | ||
Faith alone saves (Rom. 3:28) ... read the context (vv 21-31) ... It is it by His grace (Act 15:11, Eph 2:5 ) thru faith that I am saved (Eph 2:8-9) ... and I do need hear, believe (Act 16:31) and call (Act 2:21) on Him (Rom 10:15-13) ... repent (Act 2:38) ... by His mercy that I am saved (Tit 3:5). There are many aspects - but faith is key. |
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3271 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113690 | ||
External baptism happens after we are saved. | ||||||
3272 | Does God judge people and nations? | 1 Pet 4:5 | Searcher56 | 42111 | ||
I am not being flippant ... I didn't think the question needed explaining - the verse did that. | ||||||
3273 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 138526 | ||
Angel ... How do you handle Hebrews 9:27? I believe that Jesus preached to those who are NOW dead, when they were alive, in both paasges in Peter. Otherwise should we pray for the dead ... even if it it just those before Christ? John 14:26 is not about babies, but the disciples ... "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." ... check out the context. Neither are 1 Corinthians 2:10-13 or Romans 8:26-27. Searcher |
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3274 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 138632 | ||
Exegesis vs Eisegesis ....................... Not seeking to prove the Bible is what is needed ... that is exegesis, where we let the Bible interpet itself. Eisegesis is where we force the Bible to say what we God to say. To apply the strictness of Biblical text to salvation and everything is needed. God has the Power, Authority, and Mercy to rescue us from death is clearly written in the Holy Scripture. Also, if you try to add to Scripture, there is great danger (Rev 22:18). 1 Corinthians 13:9 says "For we know in part" ... it does not say "For we know God in part". Don't force the Scripture ... and God to appear different. Searcher |
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3275 | Those who died before Jesus' death | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 138896 | ||
Angel ... I hope this clears up things ......... You said above, "I do not add to Scripture!" But, previously your said, "Additionally, since Paul tells us that as of yet we know GOD only partially (1 Corinthians 13:9-12)" ... emphasis mine. However, the passage doesn't include God. I consider that adding to Scripture. My view on Babies Who Die is found in post 138120. I do not know how God deals with babies and others who die without accepting Him. The perfect, teleios in the Greek, in verse 10 is a neuter noun with a definite article ... it is not coming of a person and His return is not a completed thing in Scripture. Some say this means when the NT was complete, others say the church ... but, I do not know. For more, read post 17815 by Tim. Partial prophecy and knowledge is becuase we don't all the information. If the perfect is the Bible, when Revelation was written, then prophecy and knowledge complete. It is dangerous to link Scripture together with Scripture, if doen out of context ... and I am not saying that you do. Searcher |
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3276 | Angel, How is the Bible incomplete? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 139082 | ||
Have you read the Bible in its entirety? Yes Do you think you know God's Design from reading it? Yes During which stage of Creation were the angels created? When precisely did Lucifer turn 1/3 of the angels against God? When are we to meet Jesus? When are we to change from the carnal body into the spiritual?... the Bible contains general information about all of these topics, yet we are not given the precise information to conclusively state "it happened exactly..." ... I am satisfied with not knowing this information. The Bible is complete. By saying "it is the Holy Spirit that completes all revelation" ... is dangerous because cult leaders say the same. As I study the Bible, I rather not look at the "experts" to see what they say. I do look later, and if I disagree, I question them. The Holy Spirit does give me insight, BUT ... I am not adding to Scripture ... it is only the meaning. |
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3277 | Holy Spirit or holy spirit; (s)Spirit? | 1 Pet 4:6 | Searcher56 | 139149 | ||
mommapbs, Merry CHRISTmas When I read, "Music is a great gift of God to us ... it tends to usher us into worship" ... I thought about 2 Chronicles 29, which shows this happening. Searcher |
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3278 | Why will God judge the church? | 1 Pet 4:17 | Searcher56 | 97447 | ||
mommapbs, That is His final wrath ... because while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us (vs 8) ... the ungodly (vs 6) ... and we haven't received the reconciliation (vs 11), we will endure His final wrath. We will all see the wrath of Revelation ... unless Revelation 20:1ff happens before the preceeding chapters. Searcher |
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3279 | Why will God judge the church? | 1 Pet 4:17 | Searcher56 | 97542 | ||
Will the church experience (see) God's wrath of Revelation 4-19? | ||||||
3280 | Why will God judge the church? | 1 Pet 4:17 | Searcher56 | 97592 | ||
Now the question is ... what is the FIRST resurrection mean (Rev 20:5)? We know that "rapture" is not in the Bible. | ||||||
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