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1641 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150017 | ||
Hi Mark, Spirit or Holy Spirit, no matter, we know that the words speak of Deity. Although we know the Scriptures speak of Spirit of God and Spirit of Jesus, and His (h)Holy (s)Spirit, so it is difficult to know the mingling of these words concerning God. 1) Many of the passages that speak of being filled with the holy spirit have information in them about the word of God being heard, or the gospel preached, etc. In the Acts 2 passage the people who were filled with the holy spirit were "speaking of the mighty deeds of God." Verse 11. And they, being full of this knowledge of the mighty deeds of God, were speaking in tongues as the Spirit was giving them ability to speak out. So I see them "filled with the holy spirit" and the [Holy] Spirit giving them [ability] to speak out those words. 2) We also have the rushing wind and fire which suggests the baptism of fire and the moving of the spirit where it will as in John 3. The Teacher uses words to teach; and people who are born from above believe the Scriptures, and the word which Jesus had spoken. See John 2:22. "When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this, and they believed the Scriptures, and the word which Jesus had spoken." 3) The closest I can come right now to a basic definition of what I mean when I say "[holy] spirit' is expressed in John 3:34 in my interpretation of it. John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the *spirit without measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand." All things, are the words of God, and holy spirit to my mind. From the heart, Ray |
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1642 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150031 | ||
Hi Kalos, Amen to your post quote concerning the Holy Spirit. Now let's talk about the holy spirit [sic]. Prove to me that passages about being filled with the holy spirit are talking about a Person. From the heart, Ray |
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1643 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150037 | ||
Hi Kalos, Amen to your post and quote of The Baptist Faith and Message. I worked for a Baptist Chaplain in the Army for 17 months, almost married a Baptist girl, and have attended Baptist churches often and enjoy the people. I would like to talk about two of the sentences in the expression of the faith. 1) "He seals the believer unto the day of final redemption." Ephesians 4:30 which shows that this Person can grieve. "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." My view of Ephesians 1:13 is that we are sealed in Him with the holy spirit of promise. Verse 7, "In all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of His will..." Verse 11, NKJ, "In Him also we have obtained an inheritance...Verse 13, In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed [in Him, or being sealed in Him], you were sealed with the *holy *spirit of promise, "who [NU text reads which] is given as a pledge of your inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory." So I would say that God seals us with the holy spirit of promise. The holy spirit is the down payment or pledge of our inheritance in Him. Ephesians 1:11, NKJ, "In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will." 2) "His presence in the Christian is the guarantee..." What I would point out is that the expression of faith does not say "His Presence in the Christian is the guarantee" but rather His presence. So I agree that His presence or holy spirit or pledge or down payment is the guarantee. And the guarantee does not mean that we will be full of Christ but that we are brought into the fullness of the stature of Christ. I have chemo therapy tomorrow so I must go to bed. Thank you for your ongoing contributions to the discussion. From the heart, Ray |
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1644 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150109 | ||
Hi Doc, I am not putting words in anybody's mouth. What I said is that "If our interpretation is that"; in other words I am still considering the verse with everyone. In fact in looking at it in my own mind, I would change my statement to read "each one of us would be EQUAL to God." If we were bigger than God then the Spirit wouldn't have filled us completly; in other words He would be measurable short. But if our interpretation is that He gives the Spirit without measure then our body would not be able to contain Him and it would either leak or burst and be destroyed. It has been suggested by some authors and post on this forum that our body leaks and thus we need to be constantly filled again and again. Yet if there is a constant measure of filling of the Spirit, then there is no room in our body for more, there is just that continual leak. Pretty deep stuff there; it must be early morning. :) 1) Consider the one whose interpretation is that we are filled with spirit rather than the Person. Then we are to be filled with the spirit. When we are filled with the spirit we preach the gospel, we sing spiritual songs, we study the Bible and the words of God so that we can be filled anew. Rather than our body bursting, we burst out in words of praise, telling the mighty deeds of God. We then attain to the stature of the fullness of God. 1a) If we are considering a post together, then the words of God that come to your mind combined with the words of God that come to mine can be doubled or at least multiplied or combined, and even more when other people join us in spirit. 2) I disagree with your postscript concerning John 3:34. For that we should look at John 3:19-21 in the 1977 and 1995 versions of the NASB and continue the discussion from there. I have to try to go back to sleep. Good night, my friend. From the heart, Ray |
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1645 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150139 | ||
Hi Tim, When you say that we are not going to run out of Holy Spirit you are disagreeing with the "leak" idea suggested by some. Right? That idea doesn't hold water with me either, but then again the question is moot with me because I don't believe that we are "filled" with the Holy Spirit. From my point of view, it is not like we are going to run out of wind, or spirit either. John 3:5, Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and of *spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the *spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, "You must be born from above." 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the *spirit." That is the way I see it. And what we are doing here is testing the spirits [the words] to see which are from God; and not only that but also testing to see which ones are speaking of God Himself. 1) For instance John 6:63 that I referenced earlier, should it read "It is the Spirit who gives life" or "The Spirit is the One who gives life."? From the heart, Ray |
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1646 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150271 | ||
Hi Doc, You wrote that "Even in English, the phrase "without measure" does not necessarily mean that that which is given is measurable." My point was that the holy spirit was given without measure to us and that it indeed was immeasureable. John 21:25 reads, "And there were also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books which were written." 1) The words used by your commentary authors that suggest the holy spirit to me are "fountain, as in a bottomless ocean", Matthew Henry; "every gift"...and the "fulness of grace", "oil of gladness",...immeasurable unction, John Gill; "entire fulness of divine life and divine power" Robert Jamieson. 2) John 3:34: God is the Holy Spirit, Jesus is the Holy Spirit; God does not give the Holy Spirit to Jesus. From the heart, Ray |
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1647 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150276 | ||
Hi Tim, There is a difference between "indwelling" and "dwelling". The Holy Spirit indwells us. We are filled with the holy spirit. Job 33:4, "The *Spirit of God/ has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." Revelation 11:11, "...the breath of life from *God came into them..." Job 34:14b, "...If **He should gather to Himself/ His (s)Spirit and His breath, All flesh would perish together, and man would return to dust." From the heart, Ray |
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1648 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150278 | ||
Hi Hank, Heterodox: opinion, akin to dokein, to think, seem: departing from or opposed to the usual beliefs or established doctrines, esp. in religion; inclining toward heresy; unorthodox. John 4:23, "...for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 (God) is Spirit..." 2 Corinthians 3:17, "Now the (Lord) is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit." 1) I agree that "the Holy Spirit is not to be envisioned as a mere force or influence." But I am having you consider the holy spirit as a force or influence for there is power in the word of God. 2) There is a difference between "giving the Holy Spirit to Jesus" and the idea that the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus. The Holy Spirit came upon Jesus and He was filled with the holy spirit and washed and baptized with the word. Matthew 3:11, "As for me, I baptize with water for repentence, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the *holy *spirit and with fire." That is the way I see it. From the heart, Ray 3) You will have to explain to me what a scriptual "QED" is. |
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1649 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150280 | ||
Hi Aixen7z4, I have written a response to you, but do not have time to write it out now. I have not forgotten you. You wrote "As for a holy spirit, we have never heard of a holy spirit." Consider Acts 19:2, "and he said to them, "Did you receive the *holy *spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a *holy *spirit." [Marginal note, Or, the Holy Spirit has been given]. From the heart, Ray |
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1650 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150300 | ||
Hi Kalos, The word "Helper" I think is key to the error in the JW's thinking about John 14:16,17. (I don't know what "AT" is in your quote). The idea of "another" Helper or another that equals One, a Parakletos, Comforter, Intercessor, needs the capitalization of this One. He is our Helper. He is the Spirit of truth. It is true that truth stays with you and is in you, but John 14:17 has the pronouns of Deity. The verse talks about the world not receiving the truth because it does not behold Him or know Him. But they knew Him and we know Him because He abides with us; and the truth will be in us. If we love Him we keep His word. Personally, I have the word "Helper" capitalized in Psalm 54:4 and Hebrews 13:6. I see them as good companion verses yet while speaking of the Father and the Son as equal Helpers. Psalm 54:4, "Behod, God is my *Helper; The Lord is the sustainer of my soul. 5 He will recompense the evil to my foes; Destroy them in Thy faithfulness. [Or, Put to silence them in Thy truth] 6 Willingly I will sacrifice to Thee; I will give thanks to Thy name, O Lord, for it is good. For He [marginal note, Or, it] has delivered me from all trouble; And my eye has looked with satisfaction upon my enemies." So the name "Helper" can be thought of as a Person for Psalm 54:4. And recognizing that the name is good, it [truth]has delivered us from all trouble. Hebrews 13:6, "so that we confidently say, "The Lord is my Helper, I will not be afraid, What shall man do to me?" 7 Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever." 1) I do agree with the "filled with the holy spirit" for Acts 2:4. From the heart, Ray |
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1651 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150317 | ||
Hi Hank, You have been unfair in presentation of my quotes of Matthew 3:11. When I change a Holy Spirit to a *holy *spirit I put the star next to the word. And in the post in question I also said, "That is the way I see it". I have never been dishonest in my presentation. However, YOU have printed my quote saying that instead of stars at the *holy *spirit that I put the (sic) after the words instead. That is an unfair presentation of what I wrote and slanderous. From the heart, Ray |
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1652 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150480 | ||
Hi Hank, O.K. enough said about the quote. My holy spirit theory has been influenced by "Word Studies on the Hoy Spirit" by E. W. Bullinger. Search "Bullinger" for information. From the heart, Ray |
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1653 | Freewill offerings of the mouth? | Eph 5:8 | Ray | 66545 | ||
Hi Eaglewings, Welcome to the forum. I was more than happy to make you think; thank you for respecting me enough to spend your time and expecting to find the answer. You did good work, have expressed excellent thoughts, and I like your name. I look forward to hearing more from you. Isaiah 40:31, "Yet those who wait for the Lord/ Will gain new strength; They will mount up with wings like eagles, They will run and not get tired, They will walk and not become weary." Psalm 18:1, "I love Thee, O Lord,/ my strength." Psalm 18:2, "The Lord is my rock and my fortress, and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. I call upon the (Lord), who is worthy to be praised, and I am saved from my enemies." Psalm 27:6, "And now my head will be lifted above my enemies around me; And I will offer in His tent sacrifices with shouts of joy; I will sing, yes, I will sing praises to the (Lord)." Psalm 35:27, "Let them shout for joy and rejoice, who favor my vindication; And let them say continually, "The Lord/ be magnified, Who delights in the prosperity of His servant." And my tongue shall declare Thy righteousness, And (Thy) praise all day long." Psalm 18:31, "For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God, The God/ who girds me with strength, And makes my way blameless?" Psalm 18:46, "The Lord lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be the God of my salvation, The God who executes vengeance for me, And subdues peoples under me. He/ delivers me from my enemies; Surely Thou dost lift me above those who rise up against me; Thou dost rescue me from the violent man. Therefore I will give thanks to (Thee) among the nations, O Lord, And I will sing praises to Thy name." Psalm 19:14, "Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Thy sight, O (Lord), my rock and my redeemer." Psalm 20:5, "We will [Or, Let us sing] sing for joy over your victory [Or, salvation], And in the name of our God/ we will set up our banners."... Psalm 27:1, "The Lord/ is my light and my salvation;..." This is my freewill offering for today. I hope the Scripture comparisons are meaningful. I of course have added the parentheses and slashes for comparison. I use the NASB for study. We serve a great God. From the heart, Ray |
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1654 | Freewill offerings of the mouth? | Eph 5:8 | Ray | 66560 | ||
Hi Timothy Paul, Thank you for your quote from Matthew Henry. Somewhere along the line, however, a number was left out of one of the references; so I make the correction of Hebrews 13:15. Hosea and Hebrews are excellent companion passages for it is through Him and His blood and through the eternal Spirit that we can praise and serve the living God. For Hosea 14:2, the NASB Study Bible has the information in the margin that the "fruit of our lips" reads in the M.T. [our lips as bulls]. Hebrews 9:13, "For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled, sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how much more will the blood of **Christ, who through the *His eternal spirit offered Himself/ without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this reason (He) is the mediator of a new covenant..." Hebrews 13:5, "Through **Him then, let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to *God, that is, the fruit of our lips that give thanks to His/ name." 1 Corinthians 6:11b, "but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the **Spirit of our *God." The fruit of our lips is the holy spirit that we have been given and with which we are filled. We are filled with praises for the living God who indwells us. 1 Corinthians 6:17, "But the one who joins himself to the Lord/ is one spirit [with Him]." Hosea 14:1, "Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God, for you have stumbled because of your iniquity. Take words with you and return to the **Lord. Say to *Him, "Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously, that we may present the fruit of our lips. Assyria will not save us, we will not ride on horses; nor will we say again, 'Our god,' to the work of our hands; for in Thee/ the orphan finds mercy." Hosea 14:8d, "From *Me comes your fruit. Whoever is wise, let him understand these things; Whoever is discerning, let him know them. For the ways of the Lord/ are right, And the righteous will walk in them, But transgressors will stumble in them." Ephesians 5:1, "Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as **Christ also loved you, and gave *Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God/ as a fragrant aroma." We present the fruit of our lips, in love, just as He offered up Himself. Those who know the Way will see that we are saved by His blood shed for us. Although Jesus gave up His spirit, He lives on because He is the eternal Spirit. From the heart, Ray |
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1655 | Walking in the light of the Lord. | Eph 5:8 | Ray | 151435 | ||
The 1977 copyright of the NASB for Ephesians 5:8 had lower case renderings for the word "light". The 1995 copyright as you can see above has the word "Light" capitalized for both occurances. Personally, I feel that we should see in our capitalization choices the difference between the Light of the world, (the Son of God) and us as sons of God and as lights in the world. I see Ephesians 5:8, NASB,1977, as a companion verse for Isaiah 2:5. We are to walk as light in the Lord. Ephesians 5:7, NASB, 1977, "Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8 for you were formerly darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10 trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord." Isaiah 2:5, "Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the Lord." Isaiah 60:1, "Arise, shine; for your light has come, And the glory of the Lord has risen upon you. 2 For behold, darkness will cover the earth, And deep darkness the peoples; But the Lord will rise upon you, And His glory will appear upon you. 3 And nations will come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising." John 9:5, "While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world." 1 John 1:5, 1995, NASB, "This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all." From the heart, Ray |
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1656 | Walking in the light of the Lord. | Eph 5:8 | Ray | 151457 | ||
Hi WOS, I loved your parenthesis (Unless you are prone to being particular about pronunciation). Don't worry, if I listen to the Bible on tape I would not worry about pronunciation. I can give you something else about me to worry about if you'd like. I count the pronouns. You may have noted my posts on the prayers in the Scriptures and how I have found that many have nouns and pronouns of Deity that have a total that is divisible by three. I have expressed the feeling that that underscores the triunity of God. I have written that I found the first chapter of Genesis to have words of Deity that are divisible by three. In fact, I have the book of Genesis in my personal copy penciled in with choices which lead to a division of three; just as an example. I haven't been anxious to encourage anyone to do what I have done because it is time consuming and can become obsessive. :)) Just ask my wife and my psychologists and marriage counsellors. I can say all this because my time on the forum may be short in many possible ways. I have been warned about speaking about the "holy spirit" as being divisive. So now I can speak more about my "counting" and not worry about capitalization for a while. You can put everything in lower case or upper case, but let me "count" the words that I choose. A comparison of Ephesians 5:8, "...but now you are light in the **Lord; walk as children of light..." can be made with Genesis as an example. Genesis 5:22, "Then Enoch walked with (God)...24 And Enoch walked with **God; and he was not, for God took him." Genesis 6:8, "But Noah found favor in the eyes of the (Lord)...9...Noah walked with **God Genesis 17:1, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God/ Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless [Lit., complete, perfect; or, having integrity]. 2 And (I) will establish [Lit., give] **My covenant..." Genesis 48:15, NKJ, "And he blessed Joseph, and said, "God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, The (God) who has fed me all my life long to this day, 16 The **Angel who has redeemed me from all evil, Bless the lads;..." This last reference is another prayer in the Scriptures that is divisible by three in my mind. The ** and parentheses are mine and are for comparison. (The parentheses have numerical significance to me.) I hope this gives you enough to worry about in your concern for me. :)) From the heart, Ray |
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1657 | Walking in the light of the Lord. | Eph 5:8 | Ray | 151514 | ||
Hi WOS, You wrote, "Hear the word bother." I sense by what you write and the restriction placed on our conversation that I am regarded as more of a "bother" than a brother. :) However, I say again that the Word (God) is not an it, and when I hear an audio rendition of the word of God I will hear the words. It is important to know that we not only have the words of God, but we have the historical Jesus who was God in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16, "And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He/ [Marginal note, Some later mss. read God] who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory." 2 John 1:6, "And this is love, that we walk according to (His) commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ AS COMING IN THE FLESH. This is the deceiver and the anitchrist." 1 John 4:2, "By this you know the *spirit of (God): every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ HAS COME IN THE FLESH is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. 4 You are from God/, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world." I have put a * with *spirit because I interpret it differently from the NASB. The parentheses and the ALL CAPS are mine for comparisons. I trust that we can still have a good conversation. See also 1 Tim 3:5, Romans 9:6, Hebrews 6:5, Mark 3:30. From the heart, Ray |
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1658 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Ray | 59336 | ||
Hi Mike7, Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:28, "and we proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, that we may present every man complete in Christ. And for this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me." We are complete in Christ, we walk in Him, and He has made us alive together in Him, having forgiven us all our transgression. This came about because of the removal of the flesh by the circumsion of Christ. This is a spiritual circumcision and baptism spoken of here in Colossians 2:11,12. When we are complete in Christ we desire to serve Him for He is now our Lord and Master as well as our friend and brother. Now we desire for spiritual wisdom and guidance so we look more and more to God's word, the Bible, always looking to the Teacher and the Spirit of truth. In order to walk with Him we must continually be fed with His word. We must be filled with holy spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:9, NKJ, "For it is written: 'Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.' But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God." So I view God as the Giver and the holy spirit as the gift given, even the deep things of God. We receive the spirit from God and the things are spiritually discerned; nothing comes from us as natural men. 1 Corinthians 2:16, NKJ, "For 'who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?' But we have the mind of Christ." I have stated this belief about the "holy spirit" in the past and have not gotten much response; but I offer it for your consideration. 1 Corinthians 2:12, my penciled-in copy for what it is worth, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the *spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." Note the "receiving the spirit" of verses 12 and 14 in the NKJ. Note the contrast between us as believers and the natural man. I also believe that God gives the spirit without measure. See John 3:34. The words of God are a gift to us all. From the heart, Ray |
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1659 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Ray | 59339 | ||
Hi Kalos, I wrote to Mike7 through you by mistake in the post above. Sorry. But if you don't mind I will continue to write to you about some of the things that we have spoken about before. You may remember that I did not see any "control" by the Holy Spirit. In Romans 8:14 we see that we are being "led" by the Spirit of God. And we have received a spirit of adoption as sons. We have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again. As I have said, I believe that we are filled with the holy spirit, lower case. Romans 8:9-11 speaks of the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Him, and His Spirit; so I would say that God indwells us. Genesis 41:37, NKJ, "So the advice was good in the eyes of Pharaoh and in the eyes of all his servants. And Pharaoh said to his servants, "Can we find such a one as this, a man in whom is the Spirit of God?" [a divine spirit, NASB] Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, "Inasmuch as God has shown you all this, there is no one as discerning and wise as you." Best wishes. From the heart, Ray |
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1660 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Ray | 59381 | ||
Hi Kalos, Ryrie has good material here, but his definition of being filled or CONTROLLED by the Spirit is not expressed in the references he gives. There is no word CONTROL in any of them. Even Galatians 5:24 which speaks of our belonging to Christ Jesus or we who are Christ's or are of Christ; even that verse does not speak of His controlling us. We live and walk by the Spirit and are being led by the Spirit. Verse 18. Be that as it may, have you thought (or anyone out there) thought about the possibility of lower case holy spirit? I was led tonight to compare Luke 9:55 and 2 Timothy 1:7. Luke 9:55, "And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them? But *He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;..." 2 Timothy 1:6, "And for this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. For *God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline." Again, I see the Giver and a gift. The Holy Spirit and a holy spirit. I would welcome anyone's input. From the heart, Ray |
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