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1521 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | Ray | 144118 | ||
Hi EdB, Colossians 1:27 tells us about "Christ in you, the hope of glory." Verse 28, "And we proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, that we may present every man complete in Christ. 29 And to this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me." What are the verses which speak of the Holy Spirit residing in us? From the heart, Ray |
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1522 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | Ray | 144180 | ||
Hi EdB, Thank you very much for your time and work in collecting these Scriptures for me. I found 1 Cor 6:16, Isa 63:11, 2 Tim 1:14, Romans 8:9 and 11, Galatians 4:5 and Jude 1:19 as speaking especially to the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. I did not find any mention of speaking in tongues in any of those references. I see glorifying God in our bodies and spirit. I see the Shepherd glorified who came into our midst. I see the Holy Spirit who dwells in us guarding the treasure that is entrusted to us. I see His Spirit who dwells in us giving life to our mortal bodies because if Christ is in us the spirit is alive. I see that God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts who cries out "Abba, Father". We as ones who have received the spirit of adoption as sons also cry out, "Abba, Father". We are sons and joint-heirs with Christ. I see no need to speak in tongues or in an unknown language to prove that you belong to Him. I see the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as something that God does in His timing and as He wills. The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we belong to Him. We don't need some sign like speaking in tongues to prove our salvation. The value of speaking in tongues would be for edification and praising God. From the heart, Ray |
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1523 | some people say you must speak in tongue | 1 Cor 12:4 | Ray | 144205 | ||
Hi EdB, We are not in disagreement here, Ed. I get carried away in my thoughts, knowing that people from many viewpoints are reading them, and I failed to stay focused on speaking to you personally. I am sorry about that. The question that I had asked you initially here, (and I hope that you view it as an honest question), is whether Pentecostals generally feel that are are filled with God Himself. Because they speak of the Gift [sic] of the Baptism [sic]. They infer that they are receiving more of God than anyone else around them is getting; or at least that is my perception of the situation. I say that not with malice or spite. Many years ago I prayed for the gift of tongues when attending a Congregational Church with a charismatic preacher. I wanted all that God had to give me; I had read some charismatic books. So even though I had a Reformed Church heritage and a preacher dad telling me that the gifts had passed away, I was open to receiving the gift of tongues. My wife had in this period of time spoken in tongues with the help of the minister. I have a brother who is attending a Pentecostal Church and speaks in tongues. So I say that I do not mean any malice. However, I still wonder what it is that we are to be filled with? Is "it" God or is it spirit [sic]? I have agreed with DocTrinsograce here for Ephesians 2:18 that we all have access in one Spirit to the Father. We are one body because of the blood of Christ shed on the cross. But the passage goes on to say that we are growing into a holy temple in the Lord; we are "being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit." Ephesians 2:22. We are told to be filled with the (s)Spirit. So it is an ongoing thing in which we are actively involved. The indwelling of the Spirit was a one-time thing at the time of our salvation (or at the time that God determined was the time). Being filled with the (I would say) spirit is more something that we are told to do. We study the word of God, are led by the Spirit to think on the things of the Spirit. We speak to others in psalms and hymns and witness because we are filled with the things of God. I think that I would phrase my viewpoint like this: I think that we should be more interested in becoming complete in Him than having Him being complete in us. From the heart, Ray |
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1524 | Holy Spirt w/ evidence of tongues? | 1 Cor 12:10 | Ray | 115232 | ||
Hi Kalos, As a counter of pronouns, I do not see any perfect "One" in the Greek for 1 Corinthians 13:10. From the heart, Ray |
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1525 | Gifts of the Spirit - baptism or filled? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Ray | 3554 | ||
Hi friends, Is this a good time to consider the difference between the gift and the Giver? I've had a question posted about the "Holy Spirit or the holy spirit" and this question deals with that question I believe. Let me throw in some thoughts. I don't see any 'control' in any of the scriptures mentioned here. I see fruit of the Spirit, live and walk by the Spirit, I see led by the Spirit, but I see no control in being filled with the Spirit, and certainly no control in being filled with spirits and being uncontrollably drunk with wine. What I see, is "that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind." (Ephesians 4:23) "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect." (Rom 12:2)...as God has allotted to each a measure of faith." Rom 12:3 One of the scriptures about being filled with the holy spirit, concerns Stephen, a man full of faith and filled with the holy spirit. We all aren't filled with the same amount of faith and we don't always have any faith but we are expected to have it aren't we. I believe that we are given the spirit without measure. John 3:34 says, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure."NASB I would make that a small s. John 4:10 says, "you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."...John 4:14 "but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life." John 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'" But this He spoke of the Spirit..." If we are to be filled with the holy spirit, we have to believe in Him and study the scriptures. He gives the spirit without measure. He gives us the words of God. And faith cometh by hearing. John 4:10 "If you knew the gift of God and who it (He) is who says to you 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." Later, Ray |
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1526 | Please tell me: What does "filled" mean? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Ray | 3624 | ||
Hi JVH, I can't give you a two or three word answer right now, but I'm working on it, OK? I'm just a searcher like everyone else. But I'll be looking at the seven places where the filling is. We're not talking fallen on, indwelling of, led of, receiving of, but being filled with right? But hopefully we'll learn not of the word, but its power. Later, Ray | ||||||
1527 | Please tell me: What does "filled" mean? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Ray | 3629 | ||
Hi JVH, There are nine passages that say "filled with the Holy Spirit" and one "filled with the Spirit". I noticed that John the baptizer was filled wih the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb and scripture was quoted of what he would do. Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke of the fruit of the womb which might be a quote from the Psalms. Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied and quoted scripture. Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit and quoted scripture to fight temptation. Now I don't believe that Jesus will be full of Himself here. Would it be plausible to make the Holy Spirits so far into holy spirit. In other words, they used the holy spirit of the word of God. What do you think? Later, Ray | ||||||
1528 | Gifts of the Spirit - baptism or filled? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Ray | 5788 | ||
Hi JVH, I see now where you had mentioned "controlled by and empowered by" in the previous posting. I had written that I didn't see any control in the scripture references. And the empowered by the holy spirit I still see as a gift or an ability that we have because of our knowledge of the truth of the scriptures, our thanksgiving towards God, our desire to please Him, our walk with Him who is our Life if you will. But He is not controlling us; but He chose us, we belong to Him, we walk with Him, the Life was manifested and what we have seen and heard we proclaim. Luke 4:1 ,"Jesus, full of the holy spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness...." is my interpretation. NKJ reads, "being filled". In any case as I've said before, I do not think that He was being filled with Himself, thus I choose the lower case. The dictionary idea of dissipation and using up wastefully or foolishly shows that we are to drink of the one Spirit and to use the gifts that He gives us as we are being filled. For I believe that He gives the spirit without measure. John 3:34 Later, Ray |
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1529 | Given what to drink?Made to drink of? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Ray | 132972 | ||
Hi Tim, The wine of Babylon the Great and the wine of the wrath of God in Revelation 14:10 seem to be an actual drinks. The wine of God is one which is unmixed, in full strength in the cup of His anger. So there is that contrast of Revelation 14:10 and 1 Corinthians 12:13. Rev 14:10, "he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God,..." 1 Corinthians 12:13, "and we were all made to drink of one Spirit." 1) So in the context of 1 Corinthians 12:13, would we drink of baptismal water? I don't think so. Perhaps we would drink of the wine or even the blood of Christ? Or would we be filled with holy spirit? 2) Perhaps we were washed in His blood, washed in His word, partakers of the holy spirit. Hebrews 6:4, "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the (h)Holy (s)Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame." From the heart, Ray |
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1530 | Given what to drink?Made to drink of? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Ray | 132973 | ||
Hi Doctrinsograce, I like your references. Ephesians 2:20, "having been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together is growing into a holy temple in the Lord/." 1 Corinthians 12:13b, "...and we were all made ot drink of one Spirit...18 But now God has placed the member, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired... 24b But God/ has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, 25 that there should be no division in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another." I think that the passages stress that we should be fitted together into a holy temple in the Lord; that there be no divisions among us. From the heart, Ray |
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1531 | Given what to drink?Made to drink of? | 1 Cor 12:13 | Ray | 133093 | ||
Hi Doctrinsograce, I think that you have a good observation with your dead people and divided people. As an aside, the NKJ has reading for Ephesians 2:1, "And you [He made alive] who were in trespasses and sins,..." However, I would interpret/translate that "He made alive" as being rightfully in verse 5. Ephesians 2:5, "even when we were dead in our transgressions He made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)." From the heart,Ray |
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1532 | Please explain 1 Cor 4:18-21. | 1 Cor 13:1 | Ray | 147583 | ||
Hi Darling 1, Certainly we can see the power of love in 1 Corinthians and especially in chapter thirteen. But I see in 1 Corinthians 4:31 Paul coming to them in love but also "a spirit of gentleness." This spirit revolved around the word(s) preached. The power, the spiritual power, was in the words. 1 Corinthians 1:18 spoke of the word of the cross and the power of God. 1 Cor 2:4 spoke of the preaching being done not in words of wisdom of men, but in power of God. To my mind, these passages speak of the demonstration of the Spirit and of power (2:4) but also the demonstration of love and a spirit (of gentleness, 1 Cor 4:21). 1 Corinthians 4:20, "For the kingdom of (God) does not consist in words [Lit. word], but in power. 1 Corinthians 2:9, "but just as it is written, 'Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, And which have not entered the heart of man, All that God has prepared for those who love (Him).'" Paul speaks in the words taught by the Holy Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. These words and spiritual mysteries were revealed to us also by God through the Spirit or through His spirit (words), depending on how you interpret 1 Corinthians 2:10. Paul comes to them with a spirit of gentleness and that is the spirit that we have received also. Oh, that we might know the things (the words) freely given to us by God, and to know their power. You referenced Romans 5:3-5. What would you say to this interpretation of verse five? "and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the *holy *spirit [the words] which were given to us." That is my interpretation for your consideration. From the heart, Ray |
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1533 | Diff filling vs receiveing the Spirit? | 1 Cor 13:8 | Ray | 140376 | ||
Hi Tim, Perhaps you can add Acts 6:5, "and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit,..." Which of these 10 verses and the 8 of receiving the Holy Spirit can you use to prove that they are talking of a Person of the Godhead? Are there any that you feel are comparable to Acts 5:3 and 4 which connect lying to the Holy Spirit and lying to God? What are the verses that you had in mind in your final answer paragraphs? From the heart, Ray |
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1534 | Is speaking in tongues THE only sign? | 1 Cor 13:8 | Ray | 140377 | ||
Hi Tim, That's a good point. | ||||||
1535 | Spiritual Gifts | 1 Cor 13:8 | Ray | 141520 | ||
Hi jcsav, You speak of receiving "it". You receive the gift of the (h)Holy (s)Spirit; you believe and you receive "it"; you accept Christ and receive "it". What is the "it" that we receive? I would say that we receive Christ when He indwells us when we believe in and confess Him as Lord. I would say that we receive "it", that is the gift of holy spirit, the promised gift, power from on high, when the Holy Spirit comes upon us. We have power for witness when we are filled with holy spirit. How much of that would you agree with? From the heart, Ray |
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1536 | Diff filling vs receiveing the Spirit? | 1 Cor 13:8 | Ray | 142608 | ||
Hi Tim, I still have the filling and receiving of the holy spirit in lower case. I did not get a reply from you on the reference passages for your final thoughts here. From the heart, Ray |
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1537 | Spiritual Gifts | 1 Cor 13:8 | Ray | 142609 | ||
Hi jcsav, I would like some input from you regarding my thoughts and question posed to you. From the heart, Ray |
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1538 | Spiritual Gifts | 1 Cor 13:8 | Ray | 142661 | ||
Hi jcsav, Thank you for these Scriptures. When you capitalize Gift are you saying that the Holy Spirit is that Person? Or is the Gift through the name of Jesus Christ in baptism? Is Jesus Christ that Gift? Since God gave His only begotten Son we receive the (g)Gift through the Father. How would that influence thinking about baptism and the (g)Gift here? 1) How about the word "promise" in this passage. What is the connection between Promise and Gift, or the promise and the Gift? 2) Or, is this a promised gift of holy spirit? [That is my position]. It is the spiritual words of Peter that were received and which caused them to be baptized. See verse 41. The people praised God and the Lord was calling to Himself those who were being saved. See verse 39 and 47. 3) Acts 2:35, "'Until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet.' 36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him/ both Lord and Christ---this (Jesus) whom you crucified." 1 Cor 12:1, "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware. 2 You know that when you were pagans, you were led astray to the dumb idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I make known to you, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say "Jesus is Lord,"/ except by the Holy Spirit. 4 Now there are varieties of gifts but the same (Spirit)." The slashes and parentheses are mine for comparisons. 4) The people received Peter's words and the spirit that God was pouring out upon them. Acts 2:17. Acts 2:22, "Men of Israel, listen to these words: ,,," We have to learn about this Man, this Jesus who was crucified, and call upon His name to be saved. Acts 2:21. From the heart, Ray |
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1539 | Diff filling vs receiveing the Spirit? | 1 Cor 13:8 | Ray | 142721 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for the time spent on these posts. I believe that the subject is worth spending the time on. I want to make clear again that I believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person of the Godhead. So I am not looking for further proof of that fact by using these verses. What I am looking for from you is proof that there is no "holy spirit". Are there any verses here that are comparable to Acts 5:3,4? I believe that that is still a good question. I see no reason to believe that a lower case holy spirit, power from above, could not be a viable choice for these verses. A "holy spirit" fits well. 1) E.W. Bullinger in his book "Word Studies on the Holy Spirit" differentiates between the Giver and the gift. I am in agreement with him on that point. He says that the definite article is pivotal in differentiating between the Holy Spirit and the holy spirit. In that regard, I do not agree with him. I have agreed with you, Tim in the past when you said that it was more a matter of personal choice and literary style; that translators chose to include the article "the", or add the article depending on their own whims. Personally, I do not think that it is important whether there is an article or not. My concern is that there is consistency. I believe that the holy spirit can be consistently used in the lower case for these verses of "being filled with the holy spirit" and "receiving the holy spirit". 2) There are no verses here that are comparable to Acts 5:3 and 4 where the Holy Spirit is called God. However, there are verses that are similar in talking in context of the word of God, the gospel, preaching Jesus, hearing the word, power in preaching, speaking in tongues, speaking of the mighty deeds of God. That is what receiving the word of God and being filled with holy spirit is all about. Hebrews 6:4 talks about having tasted the heavenly gift, being partakers of the holy spirit, and of having tasted of the good word of God. 2 Peter 1:3-10 talks of His divine power, and how we have a full knowledge of Him and how He called us. We can be more certain of His calling and choosing us as we become partakers of the divine nature (partakers of the holy spirit and the good word of God) and more aware of His promises and gifts. From the heart, Ray |
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1540 | The Unity of Faith, Hope and Love | 1 Cor 13:13 | Ray | 120328 | ||
Hi Lionstrong, You have done some deep thinking here and offered a good question. I think that Emmaus has offered a good answer. They, [faith, hope, and love] are theological, godly virtues that teach us about the divine nature. He wrote "They dispose Christians to live in a relationship with the Holy Trinity. They have the One and Triune God for their origin, motive, and object." I like the idea of origin, motive, and object as well as faith, hope, and love as "things" that are progressing; they are getting nearer to the perfection and completion that 1 Corinthians is talking about. I see the origin, the starting point, as being faith in God as seen by Abraham. I see the motive, as being the love of God as seen in His sending of the Son. The completion and the object is our knowledge that God is all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28. He is among us as God and as Spirit and wants us to love others and worship Him. 1 Corinthians 15:8, "and last of all, as it were to one untimely born, (He) appeared to me also." 1 Corinthians 12:11, "But the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as (He) wills." 1 Corinthians 12:4, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same (Spirit)." Parentheses are mine for comparison/contrasts. When God is all in all then all things will be in subjection to Him. From the heart, Ray |
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