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1401 | Life through His Spirit who dwells in us | Rom 8:2 | Ray | 91500 | ||
Hi heartfire, You were not off tangent. Please know that this study is a work in progress as you can see from the latest thread for this verse. From the heart, Ray |
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1402 | Life through His Spirit who dwells in us | Rom 8:2 | Ray | 91502 | ||
To anyone who is interested in this: The comparison of Romans 7:22 for the study of 07/31/03 that I just completed is as follows. Romans 7:22, "For I joyfully concur with the law of (God) in the inner man." Romans 8:2, "For the law of the (Spirit)--of life in Christ Jesus-- has set you free from the law of sin and death." From the heart, Ray |
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1403 | Law of the Spirit, life in Christ Jesus? | Rom 8:2 | Ray | 98376 | ||
Hi DL5, I appreciate your spirit and your prayers for me as a brother in Christ. However, please don't misunderstand me or agree with me on something that I indeed did not say. You said that I was right on the "law of spirit" [sic]. However, I had expressed that I would have "law of the Spirit" capitalized for Romans 8:2. The "law of the Spirit" compared well to my mind with the "law of God in the inner man", Romans 7:22. Looking at Romans 8:15 we are in agreement for choosing the reception of a "spirit of adoption as sons"; for the Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. Romans 9:4-8 does not speak of the law of the Spirit however. Verse 5 talks of the Messiah, the (Man) according to the flesh; even the one God [and God is Spirit] who is blessed forever. So it is that verse 8 says that the children of the flesh are not children of God [for God is Spirit]. Rather, the children of the "promise" are regarded as descendants. And what is the "promise" if not the "spirit of adoption as sons" that we have received as believers. Let me hear from you. From the heart, Ray |
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1404 | Law of the Spirit, life in Christ Jesus? | Rom 8:2 | Ray | 98377 | ||
Hi Pastor Glenn, Thank you for the website. I will make time to have a look at it. I have not lost hope in my cancer, but I do want to finish whatever I may have started here on the forum, good or bad. From the heart, Ray |
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1405 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153437 | ||
Hi Doc, 1) Ezekiel 18:29, "But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are (My) ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? 30...31 "Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?" 2) Ezekiel 36:26, "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put My (s)Spirit within you and cause you to walk in (My) statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances." Ephesians 3:20, "Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly beyond what we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, 21 to (Him) be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen." Romans 8:15, NASB, "For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of (God)." The parentheses are mine for comparison and for Pastor Glenn's benefit who might find them of interest here. From the heart, Ray |
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1406 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153709 | ||
Hi terrib, In thinking about these things through the years, the scribes and the translators have interpretted certain things differently. For instance Romans 8:10, NASB, where it speaks of the spirit [sic] is alive even though the body is dead. (Because of the righteousness of Christ who is in us). And verse 16, the Spirit Himself, NASB, beareth witness with our spirit that we are children of God. For we have received a spirit, NASB, of adoption as sons. 1 John 3:24 in the KJV would not read very well if it said, "by the Spirit whom he hath given us." And yet that is the way that the NASB and NKJ also reads. I believe that it makes more sense to keep spirit in the lower case for 1 John 3:24, and the next verses, 1 John 4:1,2, and 3. And verse 6, "By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error." From the heart, Ray |
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1407 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153722 | ||
Hi Terrib, Romans 15:15, NASB, says, "For you have not received a spirit of slavery, leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba, Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God." In the same way 1 John 3:24 talks of this spirit that we received, which was given to us. Romans 8:16 tells us that "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit" and 1 John 4:2 tells us that "By this you know the *spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;" Romans 8:16 affirms that we are children of God and 1 John 4:2 affirms that we know the spirit of God, for we confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. 2) In talking about the witness of the Spirit of Christ you are thinking about the Spirit of truth, the Helper, that was sent and would come. However, I don't see the Spirit of truth as being "given". I see the spirit of truth [sic] as given in 1 John 4:6. 3) I see His spirit given in 1 John 4:13. From the heart, Ray |
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1408 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153723 | ||
Typo correction: Romans 8:15 says. | ||||||
1409 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153753 | ||
Hi terrib, You wrote that "this very Spirit continues to witness to us..." You are leaving out the word "spirit" which is in the Greek. If in your mind you want to capitalize "the Spirit of adoption" as in the NKJ would you also agree with the "bears witness with our spirit" of verse 16? I desire to connect the (s)Spirit of adoption and our spirit in verse 16 as talking about the same thing. I don't believe that you would capitalize "our Spirit" in verse 16 to agree with the Spirit of adoption. I also don't believe that you would go with KJ and consider "The Spirit itself beareth witness to our spirit". 1) As far as your saying that "the agent that brought us into this family is the Holy Spirit", I agree whole heartedly. I have no problem with the His Spirit indwelling us or being led by the Spirit of God found in the previous verses. However, I still continue to believe in the Giver and the gift. The Spirit indwells us and gives us the gift of the *spirit which we receive. 1 Corinthians 12:4, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit." 2) 1 John 4:2, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the *spirit of (God): every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." John 8:47, "He who is of God hears the words of (God); for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God." 48 The Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?" 49 Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon;..." Please excuse my parentheses which I put in for comparisons. From the heart, Ray |
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1410 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153782 | ||
Hi terrib, If there is confusion between us it might revolve around the "man's spirit" that you spoke of here. Just because I put spirit in a lower case does not mean that I am talking about man's spirit. The spirit that we receive is God's spirit. For instance, Ezekiel 36:26, "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." Ezekiel 36:27 is where I would have people consider continuing with the lower case spirit so I would put a star next to it or indicate a choice in interpretation can be made. Verse 27, "And I will put My (s)Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes,..." Thus a choice of interpretation is offered. Or, I would put a star next to the word to show that I have made a choice that differs from the NASB that I am quoting. Verse 27, "And I will put My *spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes..." I have always tried to make my interpretations clear (that they are my interpretation) and have not tried to deceive in any way. From the heart, Ray |
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1411 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 153784 | ||
Hi terrib, You wrote, "Now you are confusing the spiritual gifts of the Holy Ghost with the Gift of God, the Holy Spirit." The closest reference to a "Gift" of God, that is, being capitalized as speaking of Deity would be perhaps John 4:10, "Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is [Or, who is the One] who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."" Or perhaps we can consider the difference between the NKJ and the NASB in speaking of the (p)Promise. Acts 1:4, NKJ, "but to wait for the Promise of the Father,..." Acts 1:4, NASB, "but to wait for what the Father had promised,..." How do you interpret those verses? Do you want to start a new thread to discuss any of them? From the heart, Ray |
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1412 | filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit | Rom 8:9 | Ray | 154884 | ||
Hi terrib, I was led to Job 34:14 this morning. You understand that God's spirit is different from the Holy Spirit simply by looking at the different cases (lower and upper). Job 34:14 shows how we can interpret these things differently when we look at the NASB and the NKJ. Job 34:14, NASB, "If He should determine [Lit. set His mind on Himself] to do so, If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath, 15 All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust." Job 34:14, NKJ, "If He should set His heart on it, If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath, 15 All flesh would perish togeteher, And man would return to dust." So, personally I go with the NASB and "His spirit and His breath." The Greek word "pneuma" means wind, spirit, or breath. I see no reason to confuse the verse with both lower and upper cases. 1) And yet, I see a difference between the Giver and the gift, the Spirit and the gift of breath. For Job 33:4 I have no problem with a capital "Spirit" and a lower case breath of life. Job 33:4, "The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." 2) I see a difference between the "breath of life" in Genesis 2:7, 6:17, and 7:14,22 and "the breath of life from God", Revelation 11:11. 3) I see a difference between the wind that blows where it wishes, John 3:8; and the Spirit who works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills, 1 Corinthians 12:11. From the heart, Ray |
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1413 | Presented before Him, complete in Him | Rom 8:11 | Ray | 139165 | ||
Hi He-man, Thank you for the Scripture. 2 Cor 13:5, "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that *Jesus Christ is in you--unless you fail the test?" Colossians 2:5, "For even though I am absent in the body, nevertheless I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good discipline and the stability of your faith in *Christ." Romans 8:15, "For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "*Abba! Father!" I go with the NASB for the Romans quote; how about you? From the heart, Ray |
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1414 | Presented before Him, complete in Him | Rom 8:11 | Ray | 139256 | ||
Hi Deafawake, Your Scripture choices indeed speak well together about the power of God. God raised up the Lord through His power and He is the One who has power to raise us up with Him in the heavenly places. 1) I think that the Ephesians 2:5 verse is closest to matching the idea of Rom 8:11 and Colossians 1:27 where the (Spirit) indwells us and we are completed in (Christ). Of course the parentheses are mine to show comparisons. Ephesians 2:4, "But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, [He] made us alive together with (Christ) (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus," How great is His grace. It is the gift of (God). 2) I might say in passing that it is important in the passage from Acts that we recognize this Man, Jesus Christ. Acts 2:22, NASB, "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a *man attested to you by God with mircles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--23 this Man,..." Acts 2:22, "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a *Man attested by God to you..." I go with the NKJ for this verse with its capitalized "Man". From the heart, Ray |
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1415 | Presented before Him, complete in Him | Rom 8:11 | Ray | 139278 | ||
Hi He-man, You say, "very nicely put". So that means that you agree with the interpretation of the NASB for Romans 8:15. Romans 8:15, "For you have not received a spirit of slavery, leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" This is different from the KJ where it reads, "but ye have received the Spirit of adoption". So you agree with the NASB as I do in my "penciled in" copy? 1) How about verse 16? The KJ says "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God." Here we see the different spirits bearing witness with each other; the Spirit of God and our spirit. Do you agree with the "Spirit *itself" or would you go with the NASB "The Spirit Himself"? Or a third choice would be found in the questionable NWT where it reads "The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit". Who or what do we need so that we can be seen as children of God? From the heart, Ray |
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1416 | Is the Holy Spirit a sin-enabler? | Rom 8:13 | Ray | 138778 | ||
Hi Searcher, Reference #138656 and #138750. What do you think? From the heart, Ray |
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1417 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Ray | 15566 | ||
Hi Bill Mc, In the places where Scriptures speak of being "filled with the Holy Spirit" or full of the Spirit and of wisdom" or "full of faith and of the Holy Spirit" or here "full of joy and the Holy Spirit", I put in the lower case the "holy spirit". I do that in all the occcurances. I do not see the word filled as meaning "being controlled". I think that that is popular in the "Four Spiritual Laws" pamphlet as I recall, but I just don't see it. These words of joy, wisdom, faith, speaking the word,etc.are in the lower case and I think that this holy spirit should also be lower case. I'm thinking of some Old Testament passages where it would be confusing to have some words lower case and some capitalized. For instance when the passage speaks of the rock and fortress and refuge. One wouldn't speak of the Rock and fortress and refuge, although we certainly know Him as the Rock. You have written that "He was the vine and we are the branches" and also "we have been grafted into the Vine". I mention this because of my desire to have consistency in the Scriptures. Actually, I don't know if I have decided which it should be anyway, vine or Vine; probably Vine. Which would you say now if you had a choice of interpretation by capitalization? Anyway, every verse that has "filled with the holy spirit" is lower case for my mind and my copy. So in regard to the question here I would say that we are filled with joy and have joy as a fruit of the Spirit. |
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1418 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Ray | 15606 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for your vote. I agree with you about the "I am" statements. The "I am" the Bread of life is an interesting study. I go with the good shepherd, however. The thing that holds me back on a decision on the Vine is the idea of the Vine-dresser. The only place that I don't see the Holy Spirit as a Person is when,as I've said, Scriptures talk of the filling of the Holy Spirit or full of the Spirit. There are other times also when it talks of the Spirit when actually it is a spirit or an angel. Acts 13:48 talks about rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord. Verse 49 talks about the word of the Lord. I believe they were filled with Scriptures to share. And they relied on the Lord for the right word of grace, Acts 14:3, but again I don't see any "control" here. We are led by the Spirit but we are to be filled with (the) holy spirit more or less by commandment. The disciples shook off the dust of their feet in protest in Acts 13:51, but perhaps they were still filled with love for one another. What do you think? Look at John 3:34 with me and consider another lower case spirit. "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the spirit without measure." |
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1419 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Ray | 15610 | ||
Hi Bill Mc, I didn't mean to take away any of your joy. I'm sorry if I was too "picky". I'm interested about your comments about the Holy Spirit for you seem to deny that the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit. How could He be otherwise? |
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1420 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Ray | 15613 | ||
Hi Tim, The places where I see "holy spirit" is in regard for the "filling". We know that the Greek gives no help for capitalization and it is up to us to interpret. For this reason I go to the translations that capitalize Deity for their interpretation. I believe that the possibility of misinterpretation is there both ways, lower and upper case. My interpretation of John 3:34 came from the only book that I studied besides the Scriptures in various translations. (As far as my interpretive study is concerned). It was written by a man named Bultema but I haven't seen it in my library for years; I misplaced it. I'll try and find it for you. May I suggest that John 4:10 would be a good verse for comparison in that the spirit and the living water can be understood as the word of God. Also, you can consider whether John 4:10 should be "it" or John 6:33 should be "that". NASB |
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