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1821 | Despised the day of small things? | Zech 4:10 | Ray | 10381 | ||
Hi Nolan, Its no small thing that we ourselves are temples of the Most High. In the verse preceding this it says, "The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it. Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me* to you." Zech 2:8 "After glory He has sent Me* against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye." Zech 6:15, "And those who are far off will come and build the temple of the Lord." Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me* to you. And it will take place, if you completely obey the Lord your God." The capitalization of "me" is not found in the NASB. You'll have to go to the NKJ for that. Two other places of capitalization interests would be Zechariah 8:3 and 6:12 |
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1822 | The Bible: Literal, or Symbolic? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Ray | 10224 | ||
Hi Risen, I have just come from a thread that you had responded to earlier. I rejoice with you in knowing Christ as the Truth. I am interested in praising God through the use of capitalization in the Scriptures. I was noticing the capitalized words in your post and would like to comment. You write that Christ is the Good Shepherd. I don't want to sway you from that praise; however, I believe that the context of John 10 is one of a good shepherd in contrast in a human setting. It is true that the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. What convinced you that Christ is the Truth? What did the Spirit use to guide you? |
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1823 | Gen 6:7 and Num 23:19 contradictory? | Gen 6:7 | Ray | 10222 | ||
Hi Nolan, I happened upon this thread and thought I might make a comment. And as you would expect from me, it will center around the capitalization of Deity. I doubt if "THE CROSS" will get anything from this but here goes. "Risen" should be interested in it because He knows the Truth. In Genesis, the Lord grieved over sin and its consequences, not over any mistake He had made. The comment I would make would be about Numbers 23:19 and the fact of God not being a man, nor a son of man. We have talked together about the Prophet Jesus and the Child who was born to us. We see Him as a Man and as the Truth. But here in Numbers it says that He is not "a son of man, that He should repent." In this lower case it is saying to me that God was not Joseph's son when He came to earth. It also tells me that He will make it good and won't turn from it. See Jer 4:28 But the verse says that He is "not" a son of man. How confusing is that when we know that Scripture says that the Son of Man came to save that which was lost. Or the KJV says that the Son of man came. Here in Numbers it says that God was not a Son of Man in my mind. Jesus was not a man, that He should lie when He said He was the Son of God. Nor was Jesus (God) a Son of Man, that we should think of God as the "Big Man in the sky". God is Spirit. So, Nolan, I think that Jesus was more than a Prophet, more than the Son of Man (the perfect Man), He was God Himself (Spirit) in human flesh. |
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1824 | The "Prophet".. | John 1:21 | Ray | 10090 | ||
Hi Nolan, Having said that the Jews had clues that Deity would come into the world, I also believe that it was in God's plan that this would not be well known in order that His purpose would be done; namely, He came to die. I believe that these 'heavenly' languages of the Scriptures hide the "mysteries" of our faith. We can look back now and see the prophecies in hindsight. The passage of Deuteronomy 18:18 is a case in point. We can look back now and capitalize those pronouns along with the NKJ version and be totally correct. But it was hidden from them because they did not have capitalization. Consider Acts 7:37 with me along with a comparison to Deut 18:18. I would like you to note in the NASB Study Bible that the margin says for Acts 7:35, "This Moses...is the one whom God sent to be both a ruler and a deliverer with the hand of the angel who appeared to him in the thorn bush." I would capitalize Angel here along with the NKJ. It goes on in verse 37 to quote our Deuteronomy verses. "This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, 'GOD SHALL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN." I would have you note the marginal option for translation. It requires an additional pronoun; "GOD SHALL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET AS HE RAISED UP ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.' This would be my choice in translating for it gives the understanding that the disciples would now have of this passage. In other words, "God shall raise up for you a Prophet as He raised up me..." See also Acts 3:22, "to Him you shall give heed to everything He says to you." NASB See also NKJ for verse 23. |
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1825 | The "Prophet".. | John 1:21 | Ray | 10086 | ||
Hi Nolan, I think that we're on the same page and you are understanding the versions' viewpoints correctly. Thanks for your work there. You write, "I believe that the people were looking for a Savior (Messiah, or a Deliverer), but they did not have a clue that this would be, in fact, God Himself!" I believe that they should have had a clue because His name was to be called, Immanuel, "God with us". They had the scriptures, one of which is Zephaniah 3:15b, "The King of Israel, the (Lord), is in your midst." Compare that however with the words of Jesus in John 18:36, "but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." But if Pilate were to say his statement here correctly in John, verse 37 should read,"Therefore Pilate said to (Him),'So You are a King?' Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a King. For this I have been born..." Parenthesis mine for comparison. Yes, He is the King; the Anointed One. Praise Him all you people now. Know this Truth for yourself. |
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1826 | The "Prophet".. | John 1:21 | Ray | 10026 | ||
Hi Nolan, You have referenced Deuteronomy 18:15, 18. Here it speaks of the prophet who was to come according to the NASB and the Prophet who will have "words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him" according to the NKJ. So the question remains; is the expected person going to be Deity or not? Scripture talks of the Expected One. You have quoted the Amplified as talking of the Messiah (the Prophet) as the Annointed One. We have talked about the Ruler that was to come, this Child who was born to us. Is He a messiah? Or is He the Messiah? You have talked about the Son of God being a prophet. I don't think so; if we know Him as the Son of God we must know Him as the Prophet. However, I don't think the fact of His being the Son of God came up in this passage of the woman at the well. But the fact that the Messiah was to be Deity is shown in her statement, "I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us." NASB "(He) will declare all things to us." John4:25. Compare that with Deut 18:19, "And it shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which He shall speak in (My) name, I Myself will require it of him." Parenthesis mine for comparison. Another comparison which shows that she listened to His words, (see Deut 18:19), is the comparison of John 4:26 and verse 41. "Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am He."---Many more believed because of His word; and they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Savior of the world." We can know Him as the Prophet, because what He has said came about and has come true. See Deut 18:22. He is the One who has the power and the One we should fear and respect. |
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1827 | The "Prophet".. | John 1:21 | Ray | 9926 | ||
Hi Nolan, That's O.K. We've been looking together about capitalization of words in the Scriptures. I think that it is important to be consistent; but I think different translators have been assigned different books, and they aren't all "on the same page" so to speak. Now that you have seen my questions, what do you think about John 4:19,29? Does the Greek have different words for "a" and "the"? Is the woman at the well perceiving Him as "the" Prophet, a Prophet, or as written in our versions, a prophet? Is she in verse 29 telling the men to "come see a Man",NKJ, or to "come see a man" as in the NASB? In other words, what does she mean by her question, "this is not the Christ, is it? What would be implied by the Greek grammatical structure; is she showing doubt or is she making them think about it? |
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1828 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9879 | ||
Hi Nolan, Let's leave the Child here in Isaiah and go to the Prophet of John 1:21. | ||||||
1829 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9820 | ||
Hi Nolan, I have just a few thoughts about Acts 18 and I don't know if I can tie them into this Isaiah thread or not. We may have to go into another tree for our discussion. The tie in of my thoughts would be with Acts 18:28 where it says that Apollos was "demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ." He was the Child prophecied in Isaiah 9:6. My thought concerning capitalization and Acts 18:25-28 was that the reality of Jesus being the Messiah could very possibly have not been fully realized by Apollos before Priscilla and Aquila heard him speak and "took him aside". Apollos was "mighty in the scriptures" so he spoke from the scriptures. Something he said did not perfectly fit; it was accurate as far as he went, but there was still more that he could learn from the scriptures he used. Priscilla and Aquila "explained to him the way of God more accurately." The versions that we are using more accurately tell the Messianic Psalms for example. Perhaps they were his "text". In any case, something was explained more accurately; and he began to demonstrate by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. It was in the sense of being more accurate that I saw a connection with capitalization. One thing about the "way of God" is that it is the way of love and there is a connection with believing through grace in this passage. I don't believe right now that they talked about the Way of God. What do you think? Is there any new scripture tree you want to go to? |
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1830 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9696 | ||
Hi Nolan, Let me praise God with you that each of these translations are "giving us the appropriate message and a vivid picture of Jesus being God in every way while also being a 'Babe', 'Son', and 'Man'..." I am reminded of the passage in Acts where it speaks of "the whole message of this Life". I think that the attention given to capitalization will result in a more accurate understanding of the way of God. See Acts 5:20 and Acts 18:26 for an example of this possibility; that is, a more accurate teaching, the whole message. I compared Isa 9:6 with some other scriptures concerning this Child Jesus. A comparison with Luke 2:17ff points out a contrast in names and tenses. Isaiah says of this Child (my capital),"And His name will be called..." while Luke 2:21 says that "His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb." Concerning "His" kingdom of Isa 9:7, I compared it with Matthew 2:6, "For out of you shall come forth a Ruler..." My personal choice is the NKJ here. I believe that we have to interpret the scriptures as we understand them today. I know that He is a Ruler and our King. I think that we have to be careful who we think the "subject" is in our considerations. For this passage isn't about us or our name, it isn't about our government or our throne. This is the word of God and His zeal will accomplish His will. Later, Ray |
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1831 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9607 | ||
Hi Nolan, I appreciate the time you have put into comparing these scriptures and translations. I have come to the same conclusions for I study NASB with an occasional reliance on NKJ. I've lost my Amplified version so I'll purchase one. I believe that God, in the scriptures, can be a savior, a rock (a refuge), and a light. But when the scriptures talk of the Way, the Truth, and the Life, the Savior of the world, the Rock, and the Light of the world I think we can know that it is speaking of Deity; the one true God. Here in Luke 2:11 it says, "for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby (sic) wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." NASB Here is a Savior and a baby. The question remains, can He be a Savior and still be a baby? Is God a god? Is the one Man, Jesus Christ, the savior of the world? I believe that He was a Baby, that God is God, and He is the Savior of the world. The sign that the shepherds came to see was that they will find a Baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger. That is what they found when they saw the Baby in the manger and "they made known the statement which had been told them about this Child." So yes, I believe that a Child shall be born, a Son shall be given. |
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1832 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9565 | ||
Hi Nolan, Thanks for understanding me so well. I was looking at Isaiah 9:6 again and compared it with Luke 2:17. It pointed out to me the inconsistency that is still in the translators and interpreters of scripture. Again, the capitalization of pronouns is an interpretation. Luke 2:17 talks about a statement about this Child (sic). You have talked about Isa 9:6, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;" as being correct in that it shows His humanity. Do you see the inconsistency when compared to Luke, however, where it talks about the Child and how the baby will be wrapped in cloths. and the baby will be found as He lays in the manger? This is the same Child that Isaiah is talking about. In the NASB the child and son are in lower case as is "his kingdom" in Isa 9:7. "His shoulders" is capitalized in verse six along with child and son. I believe we can capitalize all these pronouns and have a better interpretation. Do you agree? Can Jesus be a child and a Child? Can God be a god and a God? Here is one that I think could possibly be answered in the affirmative; Can the Holy Spirit be a spirit and a Spirit? Any comments would be appreciated. |
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1833 | My favorite verse! | Is 43:2 | Ray | 9547 | ||
Hi GodsKid74, Welcome to the forum. Let me guess; you are a fireman, right? Do you think that your favorite verse here refers back to Isaiah 42:25? |
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1834 | How do you respond to these passages? | 1 John 2:2 | Ray | 9085 | ||
Hi Tim, I would like to see a continuation of your discussion so that you get into the idea of what happens to everyone once they realize that they are reconciled to God. In other words, going on in Romans 5:21 to obedience and eternal life; and further, to 6:22 and sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. You talked about receiving the abundance of grace in Romans 5:17. How do the grace and righteousness and reigning in life compare with verse 21 where grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life. I see two things in verse 17, grace and the gift of righteousness. I see two things in verse 15, grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man. I see two things in Romans 5:10; the death of His Son, and our being saved by His life. Have I said anything clearly enough to comment on? |
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1835 | Why did Moses strike the rock? | Num 20:11 | Ray | 8996 | ||
Sorry, I hit it again by mistake. There is none righteous, no not one. | ||||||
1836 | in John 21:15-17 What 3 words for love | John 21:15 | Ray | 8969 | ||
Hi mrk, Thank you, Mark. I should correct the mention of verse twenty one instead of verse 14. It is good that God can be in our midst even now as Jesus was in John 20:19 saying "Peace to you" and we can agree as in verse 29 and say "Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." Later, Ray |
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1837 | in John 21:15-17 What 3 words for love | John 21:15 | Ray | 8966 | ||
Hi Tim, You explained this very well and I would have little to add except this. In the twenty-first chapter of John Jesus manifests Himself. John 21:1,"After these things Jesus manifested Himself again to the disciples at the Sea of Tibereias, and He manifested Himself in this way."NASB The last Himself is in italics and thus isn't in the Greek. It is needed for understanding the English or if you are a capitalizer you can leave it out and capitalize Way and get the same meaning. I simply know that He is manifesting His glorifed body to the disciples. In John 21:4,"But when the day was now breaking, Jesus stood on the beach; yet the disciples did not know it was Jesus." In other words, they did not recognize Him in His glorified body. They finally recognized Him by the miracle of the 153 fish. As an aside, an explanation of the 153 fish can be found in Washburn's book "Theomatics" or check his website.) John 21:14, "This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to the disciples, after He was raised from the dead." NASB I believe that the translators are in error by not being consistent here. In verse one they put in the margin, "Or, made Himself visible" when they translated it "manifested Himself" yet here in verse 14 in a similar reading they leave out the pronoun. I believe that it should read in verse 21, manifested Himself or "made Himself visible". The disciples by now knew that it was the (Lord). It was this Man that they had lived with for many years. But here at this breakfast was the third time that He was manifested in His glorified body. Jesus began to ask Peter, "Do you love Me?" Peter has loved Him as a brother. Jesus is now manifesting Himself as his God; and Peter says in verse 16, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love (You)." Peter loves Him as God in the flesh even as a brother. Peter was asked I believe in the third time, whether He was loved as a brother seeing that He was now in a spiritual body. How much do you know and love, Peter, about this spiritual Man? "And he said to Him, "Lord, (You) know all things;..." And indeed Peter glorified God in the way that he died. I think the importance is not in seeing Him but in knowing (Him). John 20:17; 18; 21:12 Whom to know is to love. |
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1838 | 2Thess 2:7 forum, then respond | 2 Thess 2:6 | Ray | 8724 | ||
Hi Tim, I'm making this thread one of the most popular. :) Sorry about that, my system just wasn't responding. | ||||||
1839 | 2Thess 2:7 forum, then respond | 2 Thess 2:6 | Ray | 8723 | ||
Hi Tim, I get the impression that you aren't getting into this capitalization thing. We've discovered so far that the Restrainer is the One who restrains. John 14:26 is clear about who will teach us all things. All three Persons are involved. But the final line is that He will teach you all things. See also John 4:25,"...when that One comes, (He) will declare all things to us." And John 4:19, "Sir, I perceive that You are a (Prophet). Parenthesis mine for comparison. An interesting comparison here might be 2Thess 2:2 with John 4:25 above. Also, 2Thess 2:8 with John 4:29. Let me know if you considered them; the operating word is "might". The disciples knew the Spirit of truth. John 14:17, "...but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; (I) will come to you." Later, Ray |
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1840 | 2Thess 2:7 forum, then respond | 2 Thess 2:6 | Ray | 8722 | ||
Hi Tim, I get the impression that you aren't getting into this capitalization thing. We've discovered so far that the Restrainer is the One who restrains. John 14:26 is clear about who will teach us all things. All three Persons are involved. But the final line is that He will teach you all things. See also John 4:25,"...when that One comes, (He) will declare all things to us." And John 4:19, "Sir, I perceive that You are a (Prophet). Parenthesis mine for comparison. An interesting comparison here might be 2Thess 2:2 with John 4:25 above. Also, 2Thess 2:8 with John 4:29. Let me know if you considered them; the operating word is "might". The disciples knew the Spirit of truth. John 14:17, "...but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; (I) will come to you." Later, Ray |
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