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561 | Jesus cast into hell?? | 1 Cor 15:3 | Radioman2 | 83024 | ||
Hank: Yes, I have noticed. In fact, I've been noticing it for the past 26 months. I wonder: is the consistency of inconsistency a virtue? Maybe it is in the doublespeak world of Copeland. Radioman2 |
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562 | Jesus cast into hell?? | 1 Cor 15:3 | Radioman2 | 83030 | ||
Hank: Nothing could ever create a theological problem for WOF disciples, the reason being that, properly understood, they have no theology. It would appear that WOF followers never were persuaded of their beliefs by sound scriptural evidence, but rather by the charisma and oratorical skills of their prophets. Otherwise, why is it that when one challenges them to provide scriptural support, they don't have any? All they can do is attack the character of those who de-bunk WOF doctrine. Radioman2 |
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563 | Posting a privilege, not a right | 1 Cor 16:14 | Radioman2 | 82737 | ||
Posting is a privilege [A friendly reminder to us all: Posting to the forum is not a right; it is a privilege. To abuse it is to lose it. Following are Lockman's guidelines for posting.] 'About Postings 'Postings should be biblically based and whenever possible include supporting Bible references. 'Postings are not to be intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. 'They are not to be submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or disruptions to this forum. 'Pushing ones own personal and denominational views 'Please limit, to the best of your ability, the known denominational biases that produce potential strife and undue conflict. 'Please avoid interjecting obvious denominational biases, especially when urged by peers to cease. Otherwise, it becomes a battle of wills, and only tears down morale and causes division. 'If we are notified that this situation is occurring we will review it and act as necessary.' (http://www.studybibleforum.com/about.php) Have a nice day! :-) |
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564 | Posting is a privilege, not a right | 1 Cor 16:14 | Radioman2 | 82860 | ||
Thank you for removing Lockman's guidelines for posting. We wouldn't want them to remain where just anyone might read and heed them, now would we? | ||||||
565 | Posting is a privilege, not a right | 1 Cor 16:14 | Radioman2 | 82862 | ||
Everyone may see them, but not everyone abides by them. Many, in fact, post as though they had never heard of them. This thread is not about judging each other. It's about reading and heeding Lockman's guidelines for posting. By the way, the Question I posted was not a duplicate post in that it was posted AS A QUESTION only once. The other time it was posted AS A NOTE. I hope that this thread itself will not foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or disruptions to this forum. I will say no more. |
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566 | Posting a privilege, not a right | 1 Cor 16:14 | Radioman2 | 83310 | ||
inmyheart: Regarding my previous post, ID# 82737, you write: I took the time to review the Terms of Use and found no statement "Posting to the forum is not a right; it is a privilege. To abuse it is to lose it." You are absolutely correct. :-) But if you'll take another look at that post of mine, you will note there are no quotation marks around those two sentences. The quotation marks begin at the next paragraph, where the Lockman Foundation is directly quoted. Thank you for writing. I appreciate you. Grace and peace, Radioman2 P.S. If anyone feels I have violated the Terms of Use, they are free to file an abuse report in regard to my post(s). |
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567 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83585 | ||
1 Corinthians 13:1 *tongues...of angels.* The apostle was writing in general hypothetical terms. There is no biblical teaching of any special angelic language that people could learn to speak. If one asserts that there is such a teaching in the Bible, then the burden of proof is upon the one making the assertion. If one can back up their assertion with a CLEAR verse of Scripture, then they should do so. |
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568 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83589 | ||
The burden of proof is still on you. One cannot prove the negative. What passage of Scripture could one quote to prove that a teaching is NOT in the Bible? On the other hand, if a teaching IS in the Bible, just show us the book, show us the chapter, show us the verse. I say again: The apostle was writing in general HYPOTHETICAL terms. There is NO BIBLICAL TEACHING of any special angelic language that people could learn to speak. (1 Corinthians 13:1 *tongues...of angels.*) Hypothetical. "IF I speak with the tongues of men and of angels..." IF! |
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569 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83596 | ||
Gracefull: In all sincerity, I agree with you when you write: "I do not have 'proof' that tongues of angels do exist and are available to us." That's basically what I've been saying, i.e., "there is no biblical teaching of any special angelic language that people could learn to speak." I do appreciate you and your reply. I appreciate your courtesy and many of the points you've made since you started posting to this forum. It is not my intention to be quarrelsome nor to attack you. I submit the following for your consideration. Not saying this is the final word on the subject, merely asking you to consider it. Grace and peace to you, Radioman2 :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - "the tongues of men and of[a] angels," '(a) A very earnest amplifying of the matter, as if he said, "IF THERE WERE ANY TONGUES OF ANGELS, and I had them, and did not use them to the benefit of my neighbour, it would be nothing else except a vain and prattling type of babbling."' (The 1599 Geneva Study Bible. Emphasis added.) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/) - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'and of angels; 'not that angels have tongues in a proper sense, or speak any vocal language, in an audible voice, with articulate sounds; for they are spirits immaterial and incorporeal; though they have an intellectual speech, by which they celebrate the perfections and praises of God, and can discourse with one another, and communicate their minds to each other; see (Isaiah 6:3) (Daniel 8:13). ( . . . ) '[The apostle refers to] the speech of angels, when they have assumed human bodies, and have in them spoke with an audible voice, in articulate sounds; of which we have many instances, both in the Old Testament and the New, wherein they have conversed with divers persons, as Hagar, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Manoah and his wife, the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, and others; 'unless by the tongues of angels should be meant the most eloquent speech, and most excellent of languages; or if there can be thought to be any tongue that exceeds that of men, which, IF ANGELS SPOKE, they would make use of. Just as the face of angels is used, to express the greatest glory and beauty of the face, or countenance, (Acts 6:15) and angels' bread is used for the most excellent food, (Psalms 78:25) . . .' (John Gill's Exposition of the Bible. Emphasis added. This is not the full quote. I've condensed/edited it due to space limitations. To read more go to: http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GillsExpositionoftheBible/) |
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570 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83609 | ||
Gracefull: I do believe that the gifts of the Spirit, including the gift of tongues, are still in operation today. I do NOT believe in the cessation of the gifts of the Spirit. I also believe and practice what it says in 1 Corinthians 14:39-40: NASB 1 Corinthians 14 39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. 40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner. NIV 1 Corinthians 14 39 Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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571 | 2 Corinthians- What is 'suffering' | 2 Cor 1:5 | Radioman2 | 80560 | ||
suffer -- 1 : to endure death, PAIN, or distress 3 : to be subject to DISABILITY or HANDICAP suffer defined Main Entry: suf·fer Function: verb Inflected Form(s): suf·fered; suf·fer·ing transitive senses 1 a : to submit to or be forced to endure (suffer martyrdom) b : to feel keenly : labor under (suffer thirst) 2 : UNDERGO, EXPERIENCE 3 : to put up with especially as inevitable or unavoidable 4 : to allow especially by reason of indifference (the eagle suffers little birds to sing -- Shakespeare) intransitive senses 1 : to endure death, pain, or distress 2 : to sustain loss or damage 3 : to be subject to disability or handicap synonym see BEAR - suf·fer·able adjective - suf·fer·able·ness noun - suf·fer·ably /-blE/ adverb - suf·fer·er noun (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary) |
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572 | 2 Corinthians- What is 'suffering' | 2 Cor 1:5 | Radioman2 | 80561 | ||
'Where is Paul’s “word of faith” and “positive confession”?' - - - - - - - - - - 'Another case in point is that God allowed affliction to come upon Paul, not answering his prayer for deliverance, so that Paul would not become too high minded as a result of the visions and revelations he had (2 Corinthians 12:7-10). [Frederick] Price’s response to this passage, which is typical of the movement, is: “Now that was Paul’s estimate of the situation. God didn’t tell him that He gave him that to keep him humble, but Paul was a man who was prone to brag and boast. Therefore he took it upon himself to believe all of this that was coming upon him was going to help him to stay humble.”[3] 'In this statement we find a disturbing lack of concern for the authority of the inspired authors of Scripture. There is nothing within the context of this passage to qualify this statement of Paul’s as being merely his own, possibly errant, opinion. Paul makes the statement with the full authority that, by virtue of inspiration, was rightfully his. If by our human rationalizing that Paul was one prone to boast (which finds no basis in Scripture), we have the freedom to dismiss his declaration in verse 7 as being misguided, then we may also dismiss anything else he said that does not fit into our doctrinal scheme. Once this happens, our basis of trust in the Scripture become effectively undermined. However, we find that Paul derived this estimate of the situation from the Lord’s answer to his prayers: “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is perfected in weakness” (verse 9). 'Paul learned to be content with this abiding affliction, for the Lord taught him that at the very moment that he was weakest in himself, the power of the Lord would be most evident through him, bringing glory to God rather than Paul (verses 9, 10). This lesson desperately needs to be learned by many who are being influenced by the false unlimited healing/prosperity doctrines today. 'Affliction can certainly be a tool for good in God’s hands. In Psalm 119 we read the following: 'Verse 67: Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I keep Thy word. 'Verse 91: It is good for me that I was afflicted, that I may learn Thy statutes 'Verse 75: I know, O LORD, that Thy judgments are righteous, and that in faithfulness Thou hast afflicted me. 'There have been times, even in the Bible, when God’s people have had to accept and live with illness. Rather than telling him to “claim his healing,” Paul gave medicinal advice to Timothy: “No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and frequent ailments” (1 Timothy 5:23). 'This verse should have special significance to all who think the Bible supports some of the extreme teachings of our day. Where is Paul’s “word of faith” and “positive confession”? By giving medicinal advice, and telling Timothy he has frequent ailments (thus acknowledging their ongoing existence rather than “speaking healing into being”) Paul is completely out of line with the current wind of doctrine.* As Kenneth Hagin puts it” “People confess their lack and build up a sense of lack in themselves. As they confess these things, these lacks gain ascendancy in their lives.”[4]' [1] Price, Frederick K. C., Is Healing For All? Harrison House, Tulsa, Oklahoma, 1976, 9. [2] Ibid., 10. [3] Ibid., 12. [4] Hagin, Kenneth E., Right and Wrong Thinking, Kenneth Hagin Evangelistic Association, Tulsa, Oklahoma, 24 (http://www.equip.org/free/DH018.htm) |
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573 | 2 Corinthians- What is 'suffering' | 2 Cor 1:5 | Radioman2 | 80694 | ||
Joe: Thanks for pointing out once again the error of WOF teaching. Actually nothing ever could create a theological problem for WOF disciples, the reason being that, properly understood, they have no theology. It would appear that WOF followers never were persuaded of their beliefs by sound scriptural evidence, but rather by the charisma and oratorical skills of their prophets. Otherwise, why is it that when one challenges them to provide scriptural support, they don't have any? All they can do is attack the character of those who de-bunk WOF doctrine. By the way, opponents of WOF doctrine need not and do not attack the character of WOF preachers and prophets. Opponents of WOF have scriptural evidence to prove what they assert. The only one who launches ad hominem attacks are the defenders of WOF. Radioman2 |
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574 | Is there no place for romance in Heaven? | 2 Cor 5:8 | Radioman2 | 83998 | ||
AMPLIFIED Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God, but the things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all of the words of this law. AMPLIFIED Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9-10 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" -- but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. AMPLIFIED 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated. |
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575 | Where did the Holy Spirit go? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83422 | ||
If Jesus is God, then why did He say the Father was greater than He? "You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I'" (John 14:28). Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God, but because Jesus was also a man and as a man he was in a lower position. He was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (Heb. 2:9). Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ." Jesus has two natures. Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was merely acknowledging the fact that He was also a man. Jesus is both God and man. As a man, he was in a lesser position than the Father. He had added to Himself human nature (Col. 2:9). He became a man to die for people. A comparison can be found in the marriage relationship. Biblically, a husband is greater in position and authority than his wife. But, he is no different in nature and he is not better than she. They share the same nature, being human, and they work together by love. So, Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was simply acknowledging that He was also a man and as a man, he was subject to the laws of God so that He might redeem those who were under the law; namely, sinners (Gal. 4:4-5). For further reading please see the two natures of Jesus. (../doctrine/2natures.htm) SCRIPTURES QUOTED: Phil. 2:5-8, "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Col. 2:9, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," Gal. 4:4-5, "But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons." Heb. 2:9, "But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone." (www.carm.org/witnesses.htm) |
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576 | Where did the Holy Spirit go? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83427 | ||
NASB Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, AMPLIFIED Philippians 2:6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained, Truthfinder writes: 'Philippians 2:5, 6 comes into play here. The KJ reads: “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.” (Dy has the same wording. JB reads: “he did not cling to his equality with God.”) However, in NW the latter portion of that passage reads: “who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure [Greek, har·pag·mon´], namely, that he should be equal to God.” Not only the NWT but also the RS, NE, TEV, NAB convey the same thought.' Philippians 2:6 RSV who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, TEV He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God. New American Bible (NAB) Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped. CEV Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God. GOD'S WORD Translation - Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality. NLT Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God. NRSV who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, |
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577 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83466 | ||
AMPLIFIED 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For our sake He made Christ [VIRTUALLY] to be sin..." (Emphasis added.) virtual (defined) 1 : "being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted (a virtual dictator) nearly (synonym of virtually) "2 a : almost but not quite (nearly identical) (nearly a year later)" (www.m-w.com) Gracefull: [While the following may not be the complete answer to your question, I believe it will shed some light on the subject. -- Radioman2] Why have you forsaken me? Mark 15:34 "Jesus felt keenly His abandonment by the Father, resulting from God's wrath being poured out on Him as the substitute for sinners." (p. 1500, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) 2 Cor 5:21 "'sin for us.' God the Father, using the principle of imputation, treated Christ as if He were a sinner though He was not, and had Him die as a substitute to pay the penalty for the sins of those who believe in Him. On the cross, He did not become a sinner (as some suggest), but remained as holy as ever. He was treated as if He were guilty of all the sins ever committed by all who would ever believe, though He committed none. The wrath of God was exhausted on Him and the just requirement of God's law met for those for whom He died." (p. 1772, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) |
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578 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83470 | ||
THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE 'We will be examining the message as expounded by two recognized leaders of the [WOF] movement: Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth (and Gloria) Copeland. (...) [Note by Radioman2: Ellipses in this post represent lengthy quotations from Hagin and Copeland. Space limitations prevent me from including their quotes here. To read the entire article, including quotes and footnote references, go to (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm)] 'When examining the "Faith" teaching on this subject, two "truths" stand out. It is taught that Jesus "died spiritually" and that, therefore, Jesus had to be born-again. Let's take a closer look at the "what" and the "why" of these views. 'The place to begin is, obviously, to define "spiritual death." (...) 'According to the "Faith" message, spiritual death is more than a separation from God; it entails a distinct change in nature. Spiritual death includes having, in some sense, Satan's nature. 'Building upon this, as we look at the Atonement, we need to next understand whether this "spiritual death" is what Christ suffered for us. (...) 'So it is clear that Jesus, according to these men, suffered the same spiritual death that Adam suffered. In some significant way, His nature must have changed as He took our sin nature -- and hence "Satan's nature" or "spiritual death" -- as His own. But, for such a one as Christ Jesus, what are the implications of this spiritual death? (...) 'Dramatic indeed! And what do these excerpts teach us about Jesus' spiritual death? His nature was radically altered and He was ushered into hell to suffer for three days and nights.' ____________________ Excerpted from: THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE by Brian Onken (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm) |
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579 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83473 | ||
Part 2. THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE 'We will be examining the message as expounded by two recognized leaders of the [WOF] movement: Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth (and Gloria) Copeland. ( . . . ) 'At this point, although it may not be fully clear what the Lord did experience in His death on the cross, it is evident that it did not include a spiritual death which resulted in His becoming a mere mortal man. To so assert, in the absence of any biblical warrant, is to move beyond sound doctrine and into unscriptural and potentially dangerous speculation. 'However, the "Faith" teachers do turn to a handful of selected verses in an effort to substantiate their view. It may be helpful to examine a few of the more important passages they cite. 'One of the verses that is heavily relied upon for substantiating the doctrine of Jesus' "spiritual death" is II Corinthians 5:21: 'He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 'As we have seen, the "Faith" message teaches that this means that Jesus "took upon Himself our sin nature," accepted in His own spirit "spiritual death," and that He, as a result, ceased to be the God-man and became a mortal man. 'In examining this passage, one of the first things to be noted is that the word "sin" is used as an abstract noun. As such, biblical commentators have noted that the expression "to be sin" must be metonymical. 'A metonym is "a figure of speech consisting of the use of the name of one thing for that of another of which it is an attribute or with which it is associated (as in 'lands belonging to the crown').[xxxi] 'Metonym is often used in Scripture, as in the example where Jesus comments that "those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). It is clear that Jesus is not making a dogmatic assertion concerning how an individual who "takes up the sword" shall specifically die, but simply stating a general truth. Thus, the phrase "perish by the sword" is one example of a metonym. 'T.J. Crawford, in his excellent work The Doctrine of Holy Scripture Respecting the Atonement, offers important insight into the metonymical expression in II Corinthians 5:21. 'Still, though on these grounds our common translation is to be preferred [over rendering the phrase "to be sin" as "to be a sin-offering"], there can be no doubt that the expression is metonymical, since it is impossible that Christ, or any person, could be literally made "SIN." The abstract word "sin" must necessarily be held to be here put for some concrete. And there is no concrete that we can think of as denoted by it, except either "a sinner," or "one who bears or suffers for sin." Now, that Christ "was made a sinner for us" is inconsistent, not only with the testimony which the Scriptures elsewhere bear to His immaculate holiness, but with the express statement in the adjoining clause, that "He knew no sin." Accordingly, we are shut up to the other interpretation, that Christ was "made sin for us" in the sense of being divinely appointed to bear the burden or to suffer the penal consequences of our transgressions.[xxxii] 'We see from the above that, taking into account the language and context, the meaning of the expression "made to be sin for us" is that Christ suffered the legal consequences -- the penalty -- for our sin. Although Jesus identified with sinners, it is unjustifiable to read the passage to imply that He took on our sin nature (and, according to the "Faith" teachers, "Satan's nature" -- spiritual death). ( . . . ) 'Therefore, in discussing II Corinthians 5:21 and the interpretation offered by the "Faith" teachers --although we have hardly exhausted what could be said -- certain truths are clear. Christ "was made sin for us" by becoming the legal substitute for sinners. He suffered precisely that kind, degree, and duration of suffering that the absolute, just wisdom of God determined was a full equivalent for all that would have been required of individual sinners. The assertion that He suffered spiritual death and underwent a change in nature is unsupported by II Corinthians 5:21 and goes against the plain teachings of Scripture that we have examined. It will suffice to say, in the words of Alexander Bruce, ". . . it was needful that the sin-bearer, though divine, should endure all that it was possible for a holy Being to suffer in the way of penalty"[xxxiv] [original emphasis].' ____________________ Excerpted from: THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE by Brian Onken To read more go to: (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm) |
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580 | J. Preston Eby? | 2 Cor 11:4 | Radioman2 | 82883 | ||
Norrie: Under MSN Search, I entered the words Preston Eby and got 15 pages of search results. Hope this helps. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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