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361 | shall not taste of death till they see | Mark 9:1 | Radioman2 | 96671 | ||
Candy Lee: Baker's Dictionary is one of my favorite and most often used Bible reference books. I've been using it for 2 or 3 years now. Fortunately, the text of this book is available online at (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/BakersEvangelicalDictionary/). Here is the title, editor, and publisher: Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology. Edited by Walter A. Elwell, 1996 by Walter A. Elwell. Published by Baker Books. Look for this exact title. I can send you the ISBN number later, if you wish. The printed book might be available for purchase at (www.christianbook.com/) or (amazon.com). You are more than welcome. It is my pleasure to present a fair and balanced, biblical approach to the subject under discussion. It is pleasant to dialogue with you on this forum. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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362 | shall not taste of death till they see | Mark 9:1 | Radioman2 | 96672 | ||
Are We Not Subject To The Law of God? Romans 3:31 (ESV) Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (Amplified) Do we then by [this] faith make the Law of no effect, overthrow it or make it a dead letter? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law. (GOD'S WORD version) Are we abolishing Moses' Teachings by this faith? That's unthinkable! Rather, we are supporting Moses' Teachings. (From "Not Subject To The Law of God?" Part 8. www.yashanet.com/library/under8.htm All following Scripture quotes are from the GOD'S WORD version of the Bible, unless otherwise noted.) "The teaching that 'we are free from the Torah,' is a product of hundreds of years of anti-Semitic theology and is in opposition to Scripture. The 'New Testament,' when put back into its Hebrew context, says this about the Torah and believers in Yeshua:" Matthew 5:17 "Don't ever think that I came to set aside Moses' Teachings or the Prophets. I didn't come to set them aside but to make them come true. James 2:10 If someone obeys all of God's laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them. Matt 19:17 Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments." Revelation 12:17 The serpent became angry with the woman. So it went away to fight with her other children, the ones who keep God's commands and hold on to the testimony of Jesus. John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments. John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will live in my love. I have obeyed my Father's commandments, and in that way I live in his love. Romans 3:31 Are we abolishing Moses' Teachings by this faith? That's unthinkable! Rather, we are supporting Moses' Teachings. 1 John 2:3 We are sure that we know Christ if we obey his commandments. 2:4 The person who says, "I know him," but doesn't obey his commandments is a liar. The truth isn't in that person. 2:5 But whoever obeys what Christ says is the kind of person in whom God's love is perfected. That's how we know we are in Christ. 1 John 5:3 (Revised Standard Version) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments (Greek: entole [Strong's #1785]: ethically used of the commandments in the Mosaic law). And his commandments (entole) are not burdensome. --Radioman2 |
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363 | Christ comes in kingdom power at the End | Mark 9:1 | Radioman2 | 97822 | ||
To God a day is *AS* a thousand years; but a day *IS* evening and morning -- 24 hours. A day is the time of light between one night and the next; the period of rotation of a planet (as earth) or a moon on its axis; the mean solar day of 24 hours beginning at mean midnight. 2 Peter 3:8 (ESV) But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Psalm 90:4 (ESV) For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night. Genesis 1:5 (ESV) God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. The concept of one day as a thousand years has been misused to justify all kinds of questionable teaching regarding creation, prophecy, and other subjects in which time is a factor. --Radioman2 |
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364 | What did Jesus mean by this | Mark 9:23 | Radioman2 | 91680 | ||
Dake's Bible-speculative and unorthodox Dake's Annotated Bible "This work contains a great deal that is speculative and unorthodox..." "Dake’s Annotated Reference Bible (Dake, 1961 [NT], 1963) KJV "Dake’s is the product of 43 years of study and is one of the few study Bibles that has more words in its helps than in the Bible. Most of Finis Jennings Dake’s materials are set in two columns that appear on each page beside the two columns of biblical text. His introduction claims 500,000 cross-references, 35,000 notes and comments, 8,000 outlines, and 2,000 illustrations. Many of these materials are lists of observations from the text, but much is interpretive, with emphasis on prophecy, healing, and the miraculous. "This work contains a great deal that is speculative and unorthodox, such as Dake’s belief in God’s "spirit body" with "bodily parts" that "goes from place to place" (pp. 96-97 [NT]), his strong teaching on racial segregation (e.g., pp. 148 [OT] and 159 [NT]), and his dogmatism on just about every subject he addresses. The Dake’s study Bible cannot be recommended to journal readers, charismatic or not." ************* From: "HOW TO CHOOSE A STUDY BIBLE by John R. Kohlenberger III" John R. Kohlenberger III is the author or co-editor of 25 biblical reference books including Words about the Word: A Guide to Choosing and Using Your Bible (Zondervan), All about Bibles (Oxford University Press), and The NIV Exhaustive Concordance (Zondervan). (www.equip.org) |
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365 | What did Jesus mean by this | Mark 9:23 | Radioman2 | 91746 | ||
Seeing that everything we read on this forum is written by some human, I vigorously agree with your advice to beware of all that is written by man. | ||||||
366 | Empty tomb, but witnesses didn't tell? | Mark 16:8 | Radioman2 | 85303 | ||
Contradictions in the New Testament? "It is discrepancies like the different versions of the women at the tomb that make me wonder whether all of the New Testament is inspired," writes one forum user. Internal Textual Contradictions In his book, "Jesus: The Evidence", British journalist Ian 'Wilson’s text is peppered throughout with casual references to internal contradictions in the New Testament. All of these “contradictions” (and hundreds more) have been answered by many excellent Bible scholars, both contemporary and in the past. I refer the interested reader especially to the 1874 classic An Examination of the Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible by John W. Haley (reprinted by Baker), or to the recent Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties by Gleason L. Archer (Zondervan). 'One example Wilson gives of internal contradictions concerns the nativity of our Lord. Wilson lists three important “contradictions” between Matthew’s and Luke’s accounts: 1) In Matthew, the announcement of Jesus’ birth is given to Joseph; in Luke, it is given to Mary. 2) In Matthew, Joseph and Mary live in Bethlehem and leave only when Herod begins the slaughter of the innocents; in Luke, Mary and Joseph leave their home in Nazareth and travel to Bethlehem for the census. 3) The genealogies in Matthew and Luke contain a number of different names; most difficult is the fact that in Matthew Joseph’s father is called Jacob, whereas in Luke his father is called Heli.7 Pages have been written by a variety of scholars answering the above objections, so I will comment here only briefly. '1) Luke does not state that the angel told Mary and that no one told Joseph. Matthew does not state that the angel told Joseph and that no one told Mary. In fact, Matthew assumes that Joseph already knew about Mary’s pregnancy before his dream, since he records Joseph as having already decided to divorce Mary quietly for her “indiscretion” before the angel explained to him the true nature of the conception. Far from contradicting each other, Matthew and Luke complement each other. '2) Matthew does not say that Mary and Joseph lived in Bethlehem before Jesus’ birth. He merely states that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and that the family lived in a house there at the time the magi came. Luke begins his story earlier than does Matthew, explaining how Mary and Joseph came to be in Bethlehem for Jesus’ birth. While Luke gives more information about the time before Jesus’ birth, he does not mention the escape to Egypt after the birth. For this we have Matthew’s account. Again, far from contradicting each other, the two accounts complement each other. '3) The two genealogies of Jesus do not contradict each other. For something to be a contradiction, there cannot be any possible reconciliation. Several viable explanations are possible, such as this one suggested by Gleason L. Archer: 'Matthew 1:1-16 gives the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph, who was himself a descendant of King David. As Joseph’s adopted Son, Jesus became his legal heir, so far as his inheritance was concerned.... 'Luke 3:23-28, on the other hand, seems to record the genealogical line of Mary herself.... This seems to be implied by the wording of v. 23: “Jesus. . . being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph? Jesus was not really the biological son of Joseph,. . . Mary. . . must of necessity have been the sole human parent through whom Jesus could have descended from a line of ancestors. Her genealogy is thereupon listed, starting with Heli, who was actually Joseph’s father-in-law, in contradistinction to Joseph’s own father, Jacob (Matt. 1:16.... Therefore Jesus was descended from David naturally through Nathan and legally through Solomon.8 'We find, then, that each of the three “contradictions” raised by Wilson are not contradictions at all. The same is true of the other internal problems Wilson raises.' To read more go to: (http://www.equip.org/free/DJ025.htm) |
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367 | What about a passage not in early ms? | Mark 16:9 | Radioman2 | 79812 | ||
You write: "I don't buy the earliest manuscripts are always the best." Are you saying that the last manuscripts are more accurate than the first? How could that be? I am not necessarily saying that you are wrong. It's just that I don't follow the reasoning that led to your conclusion. How can a later copy be truer to the original than the earlier, since the earlier would be closer in time to the original? |
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368 | What about a passage not in early ms? | Mark 16:9 | Radioman2 | 79840 | ||
Words were ADDED to later manuscripts that WERE NOT IN earlier manuscripts. - - - - - - - - - - 'An additional factor that contributed to the reliability and accuracy of the Greek text was advancement in the art of textual criticism itself. While this important subject can be complicated, its basic aim is quite straightforward. It is important to remember that the original manuscripts of the biblical books, technically called the autographa, have not survived, and the copies made from these original documents contain readings, called variants, that do not always agree with one another. The goal of textual criticism is to formulate and apply rules that enable an editor to select the variant reading to achieve the most accurate text. 'An illustration of the application of these rules of textual criticism may aid us in understanding what an editor does. For example, one of the rules of textual criticism is that a shorter reading is preferable to a longer reading. THE REASON FOR THIS RULE IS THAT A SCRIBE WOULD TEND TO ADD WORDS FOR CLARIFICATION OR EXPLANATION RATHER THAN DELETING THEM.' [Words were ADDED to later manuscripts that WERE NOT IN earlier manuscripts.] 'Another rule of textual criticism is that a more difficult reading is to be preferred to a less difficult one. A SCRIBE WOULD BE TEMPTED TO ADD WORDS OF EXPLANATION that would enable the reader to understand the meaning of a difficult text rather than leaving such a reading unexplained' (http://www.solagroup.org/articles/historyofthebible/hotb_0002.html) (Emphasis added). ['A scribe would be tempted to add words of explanation' to a later manuscript -- words that WERE NOT IN the earlier manuscript. Words added to later manuscripts WERE PUT THERE BY SCRIBES, not by divine inspiration.] |
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369 | What about a passage not in early ms? | Mark 16:9 | Radioman2 | 79842 | ||
Tim: Indeed this whole area is a fascinating study. Thank you for the additional information. Do I correctly understand that you are saying: '...the largest number of manuscripts were of a latter date and a lower quality than the minority of manuscripts' [which were of an earlier date and a higher quality]? (Here I am -- adding words for clarification or explanation, just as the later scribes did. :-) And without the authorization of the original author -- again, just as the later scribes did.) Thank you also for pointing out that 'there are several criteria which affect the reliability of a particular manuscript', criteria that must be applied with discernment. Thank you for once again giving us reliable and useful information. Radioman2 |
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370 | Arethere women prophets today? | Luke 2:36 | Radioman2 | 89325 | ||
Mommapbs: Good to hear from you from Istanbul. One of Mary's specific questions was: "Is it true there are no women prophets according to the bible?" This is the question I attempted to answer in my post -- one that can be answered based on clear passages of Scripture. As for her other questions, this issue is so controversial, I would just as soon not comment on it. On this matter opinions abound here on the forum. They're thick as fleas on a dog's back. :-) Take care and God bless, Radioman2 |
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371 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 80930 | ||
Jeanne1: In the following quote from your post you ask a good question and then proceed to give an excellent answer, one with which I agree. Good work. I would like to reply to what you have written with a quotation in support of your answer. You write: "But what about those people that walked and talked the path to God thru Jesus, accepted Him fully, was baptized, attended church and church funtions, witnessed to others, etc... but later because of maybe a loss of children or spouse or maybe over time because he though that he could not lose his salvation became stagnant and fell into the ways of the world and forgot about God over time and then died. Are they still saved?" The following quote, in support of your answer, is excerpted from an article on The Evidences of Genuine Saving Faith found at the Grace to You website. 'Conditions that do not prove or disprove genuine saving faith. '1. Visible Morality There are some people who just seem to be good people. They can be religious, moral, honest, and forthright [trustworthy] in their dealings with people. They may seem to be grateful, loving, kind and tenderhearted toward others. They have visible virtues and an external morality. The Pharisees of Jesus day rested on visible morality for their hope and yet some of Christ's harshest words were directed at them for this very thing. 'Many who possess visible morality know nothing of sincere love for God. Whatever good works they appear to possess, they know nothing of serving the true God and living for His glory. Whatever the person does or leaves undone does not involve God. They're honest in their dealings with everyone-but God. They won't rob anyone-but God. They're thankful and loyal to everyone-but God. They speak contemptuously and reproachfully of no one-but God. They have good relationships with everyone-but God. They are like the rich young ruler who said, "All these things [conditions] have I kept, what do I lack?" Their focus is on visible morality, but that visible morality doesn't necessarily mean salvation. Jesus told one of the Pharisees "you must be born again" (John 3:6), not "you must put on an external morality." People can "clean up their act" by reformation rather than regeneration-so reformation in itself is not a mark of saving faith. '2. Intellectual Knowledge Another condition that can be misleading is intellectual knowledge. People can possess an intellectual understanding and knowledge of the truth and yet not be saved. While the knowledge of the truth is necessary for salvation, and visible morality is a fruit of salvation, neither of these conditions by themselves translate into true saving faith. People can know all about God, all about Jesus, who He was, that He came into the world, that He died on the cross, that He rose again, that He's coming again, and even many details about the life of Christ-and still turn their backs on Him. 'That's what the writer of Hebrews was warning against in Hebrews 6:4-6. There were people in the church who knew all about God and understood gospel truths. They even had a measure of experience with gospel truth. They'd seen the ministry of the Holy Spirit at work in people's lives-and yet knowing all of that, they stood in grave danger of turning away and rejecting Christ. 'In Hebrews 10 the writer warns this kind of man that he is treading underfoot the blood of Christ by not believing what he knows to be true. There are many people who know the Scriptures but are on their way to hell! A man cannot be saved without the knowledge of the truth, but possessing that knowledge alone does not save. '3. Religious Involvement Religious involvement is not necessarily a proof of true faith. According to Paul there are people who possess an outward form (a mere external appearance) of godliness but who have denied the power of it. They have an empty form of religion. Jesus illustrated this when He told of the virgins in Matthew 25. They waited and waited and waited for the coming of the bridegroom, who is Christ. And even though they waited a long time, when He came they didn't go in. They had everything together except the oil in their lamps. That which was most necessary was missing. The oil is probably emblematic of the new life; the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. They weren't regenerate. They had religious involvement but were not regenerate. A person can be visibly moral, know the truth, be religiously involved, and yet not possess genuine saving faith.' (From an article by John MacArthur)(www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/genuinefaith.htm) - - - - - - - - - - Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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372 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 80948 | ||
Jeanne1: I'm sorry that I misunderstood your previous posts. I did not realize these were not your questions, that instead they are someone else's. As for the paragraph I quoted from your post, you did not enclose it with quotation marks. Nor did you say in the post that these were someone elses's questions. So I didn't know that you were quoting someone else. So if I have misinterpreted your post or your position on these issues, I am truly sorry. I would not knowingly misquote or misrepresent another person's writings. In the post to which I am now replying it says: '..we don't have to go around "testing" people.' I couldn't agree with you more. You are exactly right. Neither I nor the writer of the article is saying that we should test others as to whether they are saved. I've never advocated such a thing. The intent of the article I quoted was not to teach us how to test other people. It is to help us examine ourselves, according to 2 Cor 13:5, which says in part: "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves..." Examine and test yourselves -- not other people. That's what the verse says and that is what I was referring to. Regardless of any misunderstanding over that one post, I still say your writing is good, helpful and worth reading. I appreciate you and your participation in this forum. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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373 | Security of the Believer (Backsliding) | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 87332 | ||
Security of the Believer (Backsliding) [All of the following is a direct quote from the web page (http://ag.org/top/beliefs/christian_doctrines/gendoct_09_security.cfm). The article has been edited solely to fit within space limitations.] What is the Assemblies of God position on the security of the believer's salvation? ...We believe it is possible for a person once saved to turn from God and be lost again... In view of the biblical teaching that the security of the believer depends on a living relationship with Christ (John 15:6); in view of the Bible's call to a life of holiness (1 Peter 1:16; Hebrews 12:14); in view of the clear teaching that a man may have his part taken out of the Book of Life (Revelation 22:19); and in view of the fact that one who believes for a while can fall away (Luke 8:13); The General Council of the Assemblies of God disapproves of the unconditional security position which holds that it is impossible for a person once saved to be lost. ( . . . ) The Assemblies of God leans toward Arminianism, though it accepts scriptural truth found in both positions. We agree with the Calvinist emphasis on God's sovereignty or supreme power and authority. But we also firmly believe the Arminian emphasis on mankind's free will and responsibility for his actions and choices. We believe the Bible teaches both truths. "Eternal security," according to Calvinists, means "once saved, always saved." The key passage for this position is John 10:28,29— "No one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand." There is great assurance in this passage and in Romans 8:35,39—"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? . . . Neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." The Assemblies of God also stands on these wonderful truths knowing we need not fear that something external will overpower us and take away our salvation. Only our willful choices can do that. But because we are creatures with free wills, we must be vigilantly on guard because the enemy of our soul, the devil, "prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith" (1 Peter 5:8,9). In our Fellowship we believe carelessness can lead to apathy, apathy to neglect, and neglect to a conscious decision to sin. We often refer to this spiritual decline as backsliding. We believe one who backslides is in danger of losing his salvation if the individual persists in rejecting the Spirit's call to repentance and restoration. Luke 8:13 makes clear the fact that believers can lose their salvation. It says some "believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away." Revelation 22:19 says "If anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life, and in the holy city." Certainly there are true Christians who believe and teach Calvinism; there are also true Christians who believe and teach that men and women have free will. Unfortunately, both sides have spent more time arguing doctrinal terminology and interpretations of theology than reaching out to a lost world. The irony of the disagreement is that Calvinists, who believe in predestination, are sometimes more active in witnessing and evangelism than Arminians who believe that man has a free will and should be encouraged to accept Christ as Savior. God, of course, looks on the heart and the actions rather than on the eloquence with which one defends a position. CONCERNS: Although the Assemblies of God adheres basically to the Arminian position on the spiritual security of the believer, there are extremes and potential abuses which must be avoided. The Christian life is not a roller coaster of Sunday salvation and Monday through Saturday backsliding. On the other hand, no Christian, no matter how spiritual, can claim perfection and sinlessness (1 John 1:8-10; 2:1). Therefore as Christians we must continually come to God sincerely asking His forgiveness for living below the potential He makes possible through the gift of His Holy Spirit. The truth of God's marvelous and free grace has sadly led some to imagine and indulge in a cheap grace, a grace that covers all sins with no need to live a holy life. Such an attitude is an insult to the great price Christ paid to purchase our salvation. Though we may fail and fall, and sometimes sin, the heart of the true believer always regrets, repents, asks forgiveness, and seeks never to sin that way again. To carelessly participate in sin, expecting to gain forgiveness later, is itself an act of backsliding that will lead ultimately to losing one's salvation. We therefore reject any "once saved, always saved" doctrine that excuses sinful lifestyles. |
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374 | Security of the Believer (Backsliding) | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 87374 | ||
Hello, EdB: I respectfully disagree with the AG position on this particular issue, although I agree on other issues. The reason I posted it was to provide good, reasonable arguments against the doctrine of "once saved always saved." Certainly there are true Christians who hold to the position that the Assemblies of God does. Out of respect for those Christians I have presented the AG position and the Scriptures and reasoning behind it. Sorry, but I haven't checked my email in a day or two. I'll get to it as soon as I can. Ever your fellow-believer and friend, Radioman2 :-) |
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375 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 88816 | ||
[I will] not, [I will] not, [I will] not in any degree leave you helpless nor forsake nor let [you] down (relax My hold on you)! [Assuredly not!] - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." NASB John 5:24 AMPLIFIED Hebrews 13:5 Let your character or moral disposition be free from love of money [including greed, avarice, lust, and craving for earthly possessions] and be satisfied with your present [circumstances and with what you have]; for He [God] Himself has said, I will not in any way fail you nor give you up nor leave you without support. [I will] not, [I will] not, [I will] not in any degree leave you helpless nor forsake nor let [you] down (relax My hold on you)! [Assuredly not!] [Josh. 1:5.] AMPLIFIED John 5:24 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, the person whose ears are open to My words [who listens to My message] and believes and trusts in and clings to and relies on Him Who sent Me has (possesses now) eternal life. And he does not come into judgment [does not incur sentence of judgment, will not come under condemnation], but he has already passed over out of death into life. AMPLIFIED John 10:27-29 The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand. AMPLIFIED Romans 8:35 Who shall ever separate us from Christ's love? Shall suffering and affliction and tribulation? Or calamity and distress? Or persecution or hunger or destitution or peril or sword? AMPLIFIED Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded beyond doubt (am sure) that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities, nor things impending and threatening nor things to come, nor powers, AMPLIFIED Romans 8:39 Nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. AMPLIFIED Philippians 1:6 And I am convinced and sure of this very thing, that He Who began a good work in you will continue until the day of Jesus Christ [right up to the time of His return], developing [that good work] and perfecting and bringing it to full completion in you. AMPLIFIED 1 Peter 1:4-5 [Born anew] into an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay [imperishable], unsullied and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, Who are being guarded (garrisoned) by God's power through [your] faith [till you fully inherit that final] salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time. |
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376 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 88907 | ||
"The doctrine of eternal security rests on a proper concept of what God actually does when He saves a soul." - - - - - - - - - - - - - "In order to lose one's salvation all of these works of God would have to be undone, and THE BIBLE NOWHERE EVEN HINTS THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE." ____________________ John Reformed: Thank you for an excellent post. In agreement with you, I offer the following: 'THE SECURITY OF THE BELIEVER 'A. The Issue. Can a true believer ever lose his salvation by sinning, ceasing to believe, or in any other way? 'B. The Proof of Security. The doctrine of eternal security rests on a proper concept of what God actually does when He saves a soul. '1. He loves to the uttermost. '2. He purposes to keep in spite of everything. '3. He intends to present us faultless before Himself. '4. His Son ever lives to make intercession to keep us saved. '5. His Spirit has placed us into the Body of Christ. '6. His Spirit has sealed us until the day of redemption. '7. His Word guarantees that nothing (including ourselves) can separate us from Christ. 'In order to lose one's salvation all of these works of God would have to be undone, and THE BIBLE NOWHERE EVEN HINTS THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE. 'C. The Problem Passages. '1. Hebrews 6:4-6. If this teaches that one can lose his salvation, it also teaches that one can never be saved a second time. '2. John 15:6. Probably refers to the judgment seat of Christ. '3. James 2:14-26. Nonworking faith is not a faith that saves in the first place. '4. 2 Peter 2 and Jude are referring to false teachers, who in Jude's estimation were not true believers (Jude 19; compare Rom. 8:9). '5. Matthew 24:13. End of what? (The Great Tribulation.)' ____________________ (Scripture references for section B.) 1. John 13:1 2. John 10:28-30 3. Jude 24 4. Heb. 7:25; 1 John 2:1 5. 1 Cor. 12:13 6. Eph. 4:30 7. Rom. 8:28-39 (ISBN 0-8024-7462-4, Moody Press, 1976, 1978) (Emphasis added.) Radioman2 |
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377 | What type of baptism is this? | Luke 12:50 | Radioman2 | 79902 | ||
The mode of baptism - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Scripture and common sense indicate that the water is not all-important and that, therefore, other modes [of baptism] may be used as substitutes in exceptional circumstances." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "It seems clear to us that immersion is the biblical norm, but that it is not an inflexible norm. That is, Scripture and common sense indicate that the water is not all-important and that, therefore, other modes may be used as substitutes in exceptional circumstances. God accepts the believer on the basis of his faith in Christ and his desire to obey Him, not on the basis of how much water covered his body when he was baptized. The doctrine that immersion is the only valid mode of baptism and that only those so baptized should be admitted into the fellowship of the Church body would, therefore, appear to be a bit extreme and not based on Scripture. The Church should welcome into its fellowship all those whom Christ has accepted (Romans 15:7, I John 1:3)" (http://www.equip.org/search/). |
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378 | Does following cost? | Luke 14:33 | Radioman2 | 79691 | ||
"A disciple of Christ is one who (1) believes his doctrine, (2) rests on his sacrifice, (3) imbibes his spirit, and (4) imitates his example (Matthew 10:24; Luke 14:26,27,33; John 6:69)."* Yes, discipleship starts AFTER a person is saved. The order is salvation FIRST, and then comes DISCIPLESHIP. An unsaved person could not be a disciple -- not until after he/she is saved. You're welcome. And I thank you for your reply. _____________ *Easton, Matthew George. "Entry for Disciple". "Easton's Bible Dictionary". (http://www.biblestudytools.net/Dictionaries/EastonBibleDictionary) |
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379 | Does following cost? | Luke 14:33 | Radioman2 | 79695 | ||
How one answers imuvhim's question would depend in part on how one defines "disciple/discipleship". In addition to what I previously posted, I also agree with you: "I think people should be taught before and while their journey is ongoing." |
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380 | Does following cost? | Luke 14:33 | Radioman2 | 79968 | ||
imuvhim: You write: "My Pastor when someone wants to be a born again believer is told beforehand what is the costs. Sounds like the bible way to me because that rich man was told cost beforehand." I would say your pastor is right -- this is the Bible way. John Macarthur writes: 'Salvation is not an experiment. Salvation is a life-long commitment. Salvation is not "try Jesus," see if He works. Salvation is a life-long transformation. Those who would tell us that a person can become a Christian without becoming a disciple do a great disservice to Scripture and they do a great disservice to people who then live under the illusion that they can be saved without following Christ in obedience. [That] they can be saved without giving up all they are and have and ever hope to be unconditionally to Christ. That's tragic. (...) 'Someone wrote, "I could not work my soul to save, that work my Lord has done. But I would work like any slave for love of God's own Son." 'I trust that's your heart, that you're a disciple who follows Christ. If not, then you better examine yourself to see whether you're genuinely in the faith.' "The Cost of Discipleship" (www.gty.org/Broadcast/transcripts/90-23.htm) |
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