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541 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18884 | ||
Quick answer, brother Tim, God has not saved all, therefore he has only saved some. Was he forced to only save some? Therefore, it was by his choice. Peace, Lionstrong |
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542 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18898 | ||
The mistake being made, brother Tim, is to define atonement in such a way that a person's sins are NOT atoned for, that is, propitiated (Rom 3:25). If the blood of our Savior has propitiated (translated atoned in some translation, i.e. NIV) the wrath of God against ALL sinners, then the wrath of God against ALL sinners has been propitiated. But what we see is that God's wrath will be poured out on some men. 2 Thess 1:6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 2 Thess 1:7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 2 Thess 1:8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 2 Thess 1:9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thess 1:10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed. How can this be if our Savior has propitiated the wrath of God for all men? Again, If the blood of our Savior has propitiated the wrath of God against ALL sinners, then the wrath of God against ALL sinners has been propitiated. "But because of your [unbeliever's] stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God..." Rom 2:5 Salvation means, among other things, that we are no longer under the just wrath of God. Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Peace in the Lamb, Lionstrong Peace, Lionstrong |
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543 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18912 | ||
Viva la difference, Tim! Salvation is not separte from propitiation. And Propitiation does not preceed faith In Paul's exposition of salvation in Rom. 1 - 8, he knows no propitiation apart from justification by faith. Salvation is salvation from (among other things) the wrath of God. Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a PROPITIATION IN HIS BLOOD THROUGH FAITH [my caps]. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Peace in the Lamb Lionstrong |
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544 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18917 | ||
We're both right...in a way, BJ? Jesus atoned for all sinners AND he did not atone for all sinners..... The OT and NT meanings are too close, "covering" and "take away" (in both the sin is not seen). So, this is still a contradiction. Therefore they cannot both be true. Good try, though, BJ! Peace, Lionstrong |
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545 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 19183 | ||
Greetings Tim! "So, doesn't this mean God was extending freedom from His wrath to everyone?" No, brother Tim. Just as I wrote concering propitiation (1 Jn 2:2), if every individual in the world is reconciled then they are reconciled, that is, no longer enemies but friends. Since the Fall this has never been the case, is not now, nor ever will be. Just as Paul does not separate propitiation from salvation, so he does with reconciliation. We cannot be friends with God until his wrath is propitiated. This happens only on an personal, individual basis as we believe in our Savior. Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood THROUGH FAITH (my caps).... Rom 5:1,10 Therefore, having been justified BY FAITH (my caps), we have peace [reconciliation] with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,.... For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. The blood of Christ alone propitiates AND reconciles by faith alone. Peace, Lionstrong |
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546 | Propitiation: Forgiveness or Provision? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 19294 | ||
Dear Bill, Your views of forgiveness, reconciliation, salvation, and regeneration are certainly not reformed, but they aren't evangelical either. I know Joe (the reformer) has addressed serveral of there issues with you already. I may comment on these views later. Peace, Lionstrong |
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547 | A Hostile Environment | Eph 6:12 | Lionstrong | 9592 | ||
A meditation "(O)ur struggle is not against flesh and blood": In the contemporary vernacular, we live in a hostile environment. "(T)horns and thistles it shall grow for you"(Gen 3): It's been this way since the Fall. "I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves"(Mat 10): Christ himself sends us out into such an environment. "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful."(Jn 14): But even in such a fearful environment, it is possible for God's people to have peace. "(W)e also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us."(Rom 5): We can not only have peace in such an environment, we can also exhault! "(D)eliver us from evil."(Mat 6) "The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom."(2 Tim 4): We can pray for and expect the Lord's protection in this hostile environment. "Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?...For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Rom 8): Amen! |
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548 | Selfish or Self-interest? | Phil 1:23 | Lionstrong | 4637 | ||
I hope this quote better makes the point of self-interest, not self-awareness, charis. “[Biblical theism] provides adequate scope for self-interest. Far from denying the legitimacy of interested motivation, the doctrine of Christ constantly stresses rewards and punishments. The sermon on the mount repeatedly appeals to practical consequences: “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven…. Blessed are ye when men shall revile you … for my sake … for great is your reward in heaven…. Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire…. It is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell…. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye…. Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven…. And thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly…. And everyone that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” “It is obvious that Biblical theism appeals to self-interest. The gospel of Christ demands sacrifices of men, but it demands no ultimate sacrifice. Although in this world the Christian will suffer tribulation, although like Paul he may five times receive forty stripes save one, be thrice beaten with rods, be once stoned, suffer shipwreck, be in perils, in weariness, in hunger and thirst, still “the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” In this sense Christianity is definitely egoistic. Not only will those who meet God’s requirements be rewarded with joys unspeakable, but also a conscious desire for those rewards is legitimate motivation. “With this assertion of egoism it should be noted also that Biblical theism does not approve of selfishness as the term is used in ordinary speech.... But as a matter of fact Biblical theism does not teach selfishness. Documentation is almost superfluous. One could trace the matter from Abraham who gave Lot the first choice of pasture land; through Moses who refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; through Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah, and many other unknown saints of whom the world was not worthy; on to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame. No doubt the Church contains hypocrites; no doubt also many, yes, all sincere Christians fail to live consistently by their principles; but it is exceedingly strange to charge Christianity with inculcating selfishness.” I will not identify my source so you can deal with what he wrote rather than with him. Thank you all for the feedback. Lionstrong |
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549 | Selfish or Self-interest? | Phil 1:23 | Lionstrong | 4657 | ||
Thanks, Joe, for your response. Challenging my understanding of God's word will, by the grace of the Holy Spirit, help me to know the mind of God better. I understand the soveriegnty of God in salvation, but our inability to obey God does not stop Him from commanding us OR giving us an interest (motivation, or reason) to obey, hense, the fifth command is given with a promise. Jn 3:16 - believing in Christ is not only the right thing to do, but it has its benefits. Not believing has its consequence also. Even though you can't believe apart from God's grace, would you WANT to believe if God promised eternal misery? Mattl 11:28 - would you want to come to Christ if He promise eternal unrest for your soul? Matt 19 - again, the disciple asked, what's in it for us? we've left everything to follow you. Jesus said there are benefits even in this life, with persecution. Matt 22 - yes, self-love is not a command. It is given as a standard for loving our neighbor. Therefore self-love is not a sin. (Later, Jesus gives a higher standard for loving each other - love as He has loved us.) I quote, "While there is without a doubt eternal reward for following Christ," which is my point. These rewards are personal incentives. The Bible does not teach total selflessness. Thanks again, Joe. Lionstrong |
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550 | Selfish or Self-interest? | Phil 1:23 | Lionstrong | 4717 | ||
Whatsup, JV!? Good verses to quote, JV. They show the soviegnty of God in not only bringing His people to faith in Christ and giving them growth in that faith, but it also shows His soviegnty in giving unbelievers an understaning of even the basic presuppositional truths of Scripture. But what do they have to do with either clarifying or adding any light to this discussion? |
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551 | What does "emptied Himself" really mean | Phil 2:7 | Lionstrong | 5273 | ||
Question: I just wanted to follow up this posting with you here under the discussion on temptation. You defined temptation as being "exposed to that which you find desirable though wrong." James describes our temptation as being "dragged away and enticed by our own evil desire." But I do not think that this could be said for Jesus. He had no evil desires whatsoever. Now, I don't think that this is what you meant, but I thought I should just ask you to clarify what you think about how Jesus was tempted. Answer: I agree. Poor wording. Jesus could not have an evil desire. In Jesus' case, his desires would have to be legitimate, like his desire for food after forty days of fasting. Temptation has to be defined to take in both illegitimate and legitimate desires. In Jesus' case Satan's temptation was for Jesus to fulfill his legitimate desires illegitimately. Thanks, RWC Your comments, observations, criticisms are welcomed. Lionstrong |
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552 | Folks, It's Time for A Change! | Phil 2:14 | Lionstrong | 5094 | ||
The oneness and trinitarians do NOT have the same concept, unless I misunderstand you, Nehemiah. What is the same concept that you think they have? I've enjoyed the discussion. The Trinitarians, for the most part, have shown themselves clear, logical and biblical in contrast to the oneness. Peace, Lionstrong |
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553 | A Philosophy According to Christ | Col 2:8 | Lionstrong | 5638 | ||
This verse is misquoted to say let no one take you captive through philosophy, but Paul doesn't say that. He says philosophy... according to the tradition of men, etc., rather than according to Christ. So there can be a philosophy according to Christ, a philosophy as Paul says that takes every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. In the nineteenth century Christian thinkers called this philosophy Christian theism. Today they call it a Christian or Biblical world and life view. The objective is the same, to see and interpret all of life, every endevor of human interest, occupation and study, from the perspective of God's revelation to Man, the Holy Scritures, and to bring all of life under the lordship of Christ. |
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554 | did i miss something? | Col 2:8 | Lionstrong | 78738 | ||
John 15:3 "You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. I am sorry, Ray. I see no relevance in your verse to my comments on Col 2:8. The subject is Christian philosophy. What are YOU talking about, or what is the relevance of John 15:3 to the subject of Christian philosophy? P.S. I'm happy that people are digging up my old posts. Bible study is what this forum is about and it does not matter how old the post is. There ARE no "dead" posts! |
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555 | did i miss something? | Col 2:8 | Lionstrong | 78857 | ||
Ray, In terms of developing a biblical world and life view, what you wrote does not make sense to me. I recommend you read Gordon H. Clark's "A Christian View of Men and Things." You can order it on-line at www.trinityfoundation.org. Peace, |
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556 | What is sin? | Col 3:9 | Lionstrong | 3865 | ||
Dear Lifer: A quick question. When I type my paragraphs and submit them, the paragraphs dissappear and it's all smooched together, making it harder to read. How do you make paragraph breaks? (I typed this note doublespaceing between paragraphs.) |
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557 | Sin and Sins? | Col 3:9 | Lionstrong | 4002 | ||
"THE ONLY SIN THAT IS UNFORGIVEN IS BLASPHEMY,NOT UNBELIEF I PERSONALLY DONT THINK OF THAT AS A SIN," Thanks, Cheri, for you response. You said you personally don't think of that as a sin. What do you think is not a sin? Do you think unbelief is not a sin? Question: If God tells us to believe, is it a sin to disobey that command? Mark 1:15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." |
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558 | The Wrath to Come | 1 Thess 1:10 | Lionstrong | 16000 | ||
The Wrath to Come 1 Thess. 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come. Today as I watched one World Trade Center tower burning I saw a jet airliner torpedo into the other. Huge plumes of flame exploded from the sides of the second tower. The fire and smoke to me was a picture of the wrath of God. This was indeed a day of wrath. Was this in a way an expression of the wrath of God toward America? Even if it wasn’t, nonetheless many hundreds of people died a fiery death. I found myself weeping several times today as I thought of the spouses made widows, the children made orphans and the tragic loss of lives. But as terrifying and horrible as this day has been it will pale compared to the Day of Wrath. How many of those people who died a fiery death today will have to face a second fiery death that will last forever? I am sobered by today. But as terrible as today was, people need to be warned of a day even more terrible, and it’s coming soon. Eph. 5:15, 16 Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men, but as wise, making the most of your time, because the days are evil. Peace, Lionstrong |
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559 | The Wrath to Come | 1 Thess 1:10 | Lionstrong | 16033 | ||
Dear BJ, Eschatological views fall into three camps, amil, pre-mil, and post mil. The pre-mils are further distinguished by their tribulation views. What are your views, BJ? |
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560 | The Wrath to Come | 1 Thess 1:10 | Lionstrong | 16099 | ||
Dear BJ, ¶. Your post seems rather provincial. You write as if the events about which you wrote are supposed to happen in the U. S. I don't recall the U. S. being mentioned in Scripture. If anything we're one of the unnamed nations making up the iron and clay feet of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. ¶. I'm sure some of the Jewish prophets of Jeremiah's day said that the invasion of the Babylonians was not of God but of Satan. My point is that God can and has brought one nation against another in judgment without it being prophesied. A good king of Judah tried to prevent one foreign king from attacking another. The one king warned him not to prevent him because he was commissioned by God. Now, was this particular attack prophesied and found in Scripture? (2 Chr. 35) God is not only sovereign over nature to bring natural disasters, but he's also sovereign over the king's heart and "turns it wherever He wishes." Prov. 21:1 Peace, Lionstrong |
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