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481 | Should homosexuals be ordained? | Rom 1:27 | Lionstrong | 5620 | ||
Dear Johnny, Your statement that the wrong is “what the person does, i.e. sexual acts with someone of the same sex” is a half-truth, and as such is false. Homosexual sins are not those that are physical only. If a person is homosexual in their heart, it is also wrong. The Bible says, “such WERE some of you.” Rahab was a harlot before she became a believer in the God of Israel. When she joined the people of God she stopped being a harlot, got married and became an ancestor of Christ. Jesus saves us from our enslavement to sin. One who is saved should no longer be a homosexual. If he is he is not a believer and is not qualified for any position in the Church of Christ. Lionstrong |
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482 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Lionstrong | 5505 | ||
Hi Wist, Ryan gave an excellent answer above, and I post it here. (Also, read the Romans passage again, but it doesn't mean everybody. If you like, you can post your question at Rom 8:29 and we can discuss it there.) "Consider the following: There are several options as to what and who Christ died for. 1) Christ died for all sins of all men. 2) Christ died for all sins of some me. 3) Christ died for some sins of all men. 4) Christ died for some sins of some men. "Now consider the implications of each of these choices. 3 and 4 aren't really options, cause they don't save anyone. If the second is true, we have Reformed election. If the first is true, then everyone goes to heaven, for all sins are paid for. But, you say, can't people resist God's grace? Perhaps (but I think not). Assuming they can, would this not be sin? And would Christ not have died for it? Would that not make it forgiven? If not, why not? The only real option is particular redemption. Ryan Davidson" Lionstrong |
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483 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Lionstrong | 6516 | ||
Joe does a much better job of explaining and defending limited atonement than I do, Ray. | ||||||
484 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 29960 | ||
Your suspicions are correct, Joe. Solid biblical answer! Thanks Lionstrong |
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485 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 30722 | ||
Hello Eagle One, I have several questions, but I'll only ask one of your post: You write, "God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and the Word are one." The Father , Son, Spirit and Word are one what? One God? Peace, Lionstrong |
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486 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 30724 | ||
Emmaus, you write, "...the Holy Spirit speaking from the heart of the Church..." You lost me, friend, with your figure of speech, "heart." Would you please substitute the literal word? "...the Holy Spirit speaking from the _______ of the Church..." Peace, Lionstrong |
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487 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 30773 | ||
Emmaus, you write, "And the Holy Spirit indwells the individual but also the Church and the two are inseparable, with the Holy Spirit speaking from the heart of the Church through the Scripture." So you mean that the Holy Spirit speaks from the mind of the Church through the Scripture. OK. That's a new concept to me. What does it mean, the Holy Spirit speaks from the mind of the church through Scripture? Unless you, as an RC, mean that the Pope is the "mind/heart of the Church," I have no idea what you mean. (And if it's the Pope that you mean, I, as a Protestant, do not believe such a notion.) But any way, what do you mean by the Holy Spirit speaks from the mind of the Church? Peace, Lionstrong |
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488 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 30807 | ||
Yea, Emmaus! What Joe said. You wrote, "Cruden's Complete Concordance has this to say about the word heart. "The word heart is used in Scripture as the seat of life or strength; hence it means MIND, soul, spirit or one's entire emotional nature and under standing. It is also used as the center or inner part of a thing."" Literally the heart is an organ in the chest that pumps blood. So your use of the term must be figurative. I simply picked the first meaning in Crudens list as you see above. Now if that's not the word you would substitute, ok. Pick another. Joe has stated very well what the problem may be. I very much appreciate your presence on the forum. Peace, Lionstrong |
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489 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 30845 | ||
I'm afraid that if I answer your question Eagle One, you'll never get back to mine! I'll answer your question and see if you'll then answer mine. You ask, "What are your thoughts on John 1:1-4 and I John 1:1-3." Here they are: The Word in John 1:1-4 is the same word who became flesh and dwelt among us in John 1:14, that is, the Second Person of the Trinity. He created all things; and nothing made was made without him making it. Concerning 1 John 1:1-3: some feel the subject is Christ, others think the subject is the Gospel message. I belong to the latter group. Now, will you answer my question as you promised or delay further? Peace, Lionstrong |
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490 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Lionstrong | 30877 | ||
No Eagle One, We're not communicating yet, because I still don't know what you are talking about. You seem to be talking about a fourth person of the Godhead, while everyone else who responded to my question understood rightly that I was talking about the Scripture. So, are you getting bizzar on me, or am I just not understanding you? Peace, Lionstrong |
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491 | predestined or free will | Rom 8:29 | Lionstrong | 62271 | ||
Hi Buff and Welcome to the Forum! You asked, "Are we to preach the gospel to all nations as our Lord Jesus Commanded or are only those God foreknew (Romans 8:29) in the Lambs Book of Life." The answers is Yes! We are to preach the gospel to all nations, and only those God foreknew are in the Lambs Book of Life. The two statements are not incompatable. We are to preach because Jesus is Lord and He commands us to preach. AND God knows everything. So, from the beginning it was impossible for Him to be ignorant of who is and who isn't in the Lamb's Book of Life. If you'll read on in Roman's, God also knows the MEANS by which people will believe the Gospel, that is,by means of hearing the gospel preached. Rom 10:13-17 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS! However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. Anyone who is cast into the lake of fire will receive that condemnation because of his OWN sins But we are commanded to preach the gospel to every nation, and God will hold US responsible for not telling people of his grace in the cross of Christ and warning them of his wrath against sin. Ezek 33:2-9 "Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, 'If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people, then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. 'He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.' "Now as for you, son of man, I have appointed you a watchman for the house of Israel; so you will hear a message from My mouth and give them warning from Me. "When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require from your hand. "But if you on your part warn a wicked man to turn from his way and he does not turn from his way, he will die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your life." Peace, |
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492 | predestined or free will | Rom 8:29 | Lionstrong | 62478 | ||
"Ge 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. In this verse God tested the faith of Abraham, so He will know if Abraham feared Him, if God know already the result of the test of Abraham why He should testing abraham? Is he insecured kind of God? " Johnny, you say that your limited mind can't discern if God is omniscient, and yet you present this passage in order to prove that He isn't omniscient. Make up your mind Johnny! If you think you have Scriptural proof that God is ignorant of some things, then present it! "Ex 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. In the verses above moses pray to God not to funish His people, and God repented, why God repented to the things that He know? He knew that He will not going to punish His people but then repented to the evil He though to His people? " You are talking out of both sides of you mouth, Johnny. Which side do I believe, the side that says that you don't know if God is omniscient, or the side that tries to prove that He isn't?" I'm not going to fight with you, Johnny, but if you have a real question, I'll try to answer it. Peace, |
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493 | predestined or free will | Rom 8:29 | Lionstrong | 62533 | ||
What I started to write yesterday before I felt you were not really interested in whay you were asking: Part 1 Hi Johnny! Thoughtful questions you have! Q1. “What is the purpose of preaching the gospel to all nations if there are limits already to whom who can go to heaven?” A1. The purpose of preaching the gospel to all nations even though the limits are set is, as was stated before, Christ commands it. Even though many times God gives us reasons for his commands to us, he does not have to. In that God himself gives the command is reason enough. But he does not deal with us as if we were hourses or mules which have no understanding, but as His image, as rational, knowledgable beings, even though we are but creatures of dust. The reason we preach is that those to whom we preach are also the image of God; God deals with them as such. He has determined not only who’s going to be with the Lord, but also HOW they’re going to get there, and they are going to get there by being treated as human beings. Again, people are the image of God, and therefore important and significant. They are not animals or machines; they are persons. So God does not simply zap the elect into heaven when it’s their time. He is personal; he deals with us as persons, that is, through our minds. This means the we give people the gospel to consider, to THINK about. And the Holy Spirit changes their minds to believe it. God has not only determined the END (glory), but also the MEANS to that end (the gospel of Chirst). Q2. “ It good to just wait? the outcome is still the same! those predestined are those who will go to heaven. “ A2. This reminds me of the attitude of a servant Jesus told a parable about: Matt. 25:14 ¶ "For it [the kingdom of heaven] is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves, and entrusted his possessions to them. Matt. 25:15 "And to one he gave five talents, to another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and he went on his journey. Matt. 25:18 "But he who received the one talent went away and dug in the ground, and hid his master's money. Matt. 25:19 "Now after a long time the master of those slaves *came and *settled accounts with them. Matt. 25:24 "And the one also who had received the one talent came up and said, 'Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed. Matt. 25:25 'And I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the ground; see, you have what is yours.' Matt. 25:26 "But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow, and gather where I scattered no seed. Matt. 25:27 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest. Matt. 25:28 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.' Matt. 25:29 "For to everyone who has shall more be given, and he shall have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. Matt. 25:30 "And cast out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. I sense your frustration, but you must remember, Johnny, that we are called first of all to love the Lord above all else. That means obedience in the power of the Holy Spirit. Second of all we are to love people, regardless of whether or not we know that they are elect. And we don’t know, do we? Nor is it our business who God saves, is it? Paul felt the tention: Rom. 9:1 I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, Rom. 9:2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. Rom. 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, But he also knew that mercy was up to God: Rom. 9:15 For He says to Moses, " I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So he preached: 1 Cor. 9:22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. Paul loved people and he loved Christ. So he preached. Request 1. “You said"AND God knows everything. So, from the beginning it was impossible for Him to be ignorant of who is and who isn't in the Lamb's Book of Life." can you please show the passages that will support word by word in this. I will appreciate that. Response 1. That God has known from the beginning who is and who isn’t in the Book of Life is an unavoidable conclusion, unless you are willing to admit that God is NOT omniscient. Either God is omniscient in which case He’s always known the content of the Book of Life. Or he’s not omniscient and he may know aproximately how many hairs you have on your head! (Luke 12:7) |
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494 | predestined or free will | Rom 8:29 | Lionstrong | 62534 | ||
Part 2 Q3. “I would like to asked some questioned here regarding your post that God know everything from the beggining to the end. Me I personally accepted that I dont know if God really knows or not. I personally accepted that my limited mind cannot decern those things, and I leave it to God. 1. If God knows from he beggining to the end it is that mean before He created Lucifer He knews that it will rebel againts Him and there are too many angel too that will joined lucifer? could you please show me the scriptures that will say Yes. 2. God knows that lucifer will rebel against Him and God still created lucifer even He knows that too many people will suffer and go to Hell? Do you mean God responsible for the evil because even He knew that if He created lucifer too many people will suffer and too many souls will tormented in Hell because He is creating someone that will start the suffering of Mankind. “ A3. Well, Johnny, which is it; are you willing to accept that with your limited mind that you cannot discern that God is omniscient, or are your questions intended to prove that God is not omniscient? Take a stand, Johnny! Don’t be wishy-washy and hide behind feigned humility! What kind of God is the God of the Bible, all-knowing, or is God the image of Man and has to learn as He goes? But regarding “responsiblity.” One has to be careful with charging God with evil, especially moral evil. You see--and this may seem like a contradiction--God can do anything He pleases, AND God cannot sin (note that I did not say He can do anything EXCEPT sin). Now, because God in the beginning created the heavens and the earth and everything in them, He is the First Cause of all things. He is not, however, the IMMEDIATE cause of the sins of men and angels. Of course! God knew beforehand of the fall of men and angels! The question you should be asking, Johnny, is WHY? Instead, you would argue ignorance on God’s part in order to absolve Him of a supposed responsiblity for evil. But the Bible teaches that God is both all good AND all knowing. Job is a good example. He may not have known that Satan was the immediate cause of his troubles. If fact, there’s nothing in the text to indicate that he did. But he knew that it would not have happened apart from God. Therefore he wanted to plead the case of his innocence before God as the one who ordered his misery, but at the same time he never charged God with moral evil. In all Job’s moaning he didn’t say anything wrong about God (Job 42:7). |
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495 | Mercy's God's prerogative | Rom 9:15 | Lionstrong | 13260 | ||
This verse means that it's totally up to God on whom he has mercy. He doesn't owe mercy to anyone. He owes no one a "chance" to be saved, a chance to hear the Gospel. Peace, Lionstrong |
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496 | Mercy's God's prerogative | Rom 9:15 | Lionstrong | 13569 | ||
Dear Tim, I see this notion as a nice way of denying God prerogative of having merce upon whom he chooses. It's saying that God can't help but to have mercy, rather than it being his choice to have mercy. Yes, he will have mercy, but it's always his choice. Yes, there will be so many in heaven that we won't be able to count them all, but it will be God's choice. He's not a mercy machine. God is personal. So he will choose to have mercy upon whom he chooses to have mercy. Peace, Lionstrong | ||||||
497 | Mercy Essential? | Rom 9:15 | Lionstrong | 13599 | ||
Dear Tim, God’s mercy is “arbitrary” in that it is not based on anything in the sinner. There’s nothing in the sinner that commends itself to God’s mercy. Nothing in us warrants God’s mercy. And nothing in God (“internal pressure”) forces him to extend mercy. God does not owe us mercy. So, we can have no claim on it. Rom 11:32 "For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all." Rom 11: 32: Since we are all under sin–- that is, if some of us were not sinners God could not show some of us mercy, because we would not need it -- but since we’re all under sin, God may show mercy to anyone he wishes because there’s no one who is exempt from the need of it. “That he MAY show mercy…” But God does not wish to show mercy to all. And he hasn’t shown mercy to all. And that is his prerogative. |
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498 | Mercy Essential? | Rom 9:15 | Lionstrong | 13624 | ||
Dear Tim, Yes, the verse expresses God’s purpose. God shut up all in disobedience that (for the purpose of) he MIGHT show mercy to all, not that he WOULD show mercy to all. And he hasn’t shown mercy to all, as is his sovereign choice. I did not change “all” to “some” in the verse. I said if one is not a sinner, he cannot be shown mercy, because he has no need of it. So, it is not possible for God to be able to show mercy to ALL unless ALL are sinners. If some are not sinners, he cannot show mercy to all if he so chooses. So in order for God to make to it possible to show mercy to all, he shut up all in disobedience. Although he did not and does not show mercy to all, he MAY do so, since all are shut up in disobedience. But, again, it is his prerogative to do so. The Lord’s abundant mercy is by the free choice of the goodness of his character, not internal necessity. He has to be good (internal necessity). He can be no other way. Because he’s good he can be merciful, and he has been abundantly so, but his goodness does not force (internal necessity) him to be merciful. He will have mercy upon whom he will have mercy. And on Judgement Day he will act with severe justice, not mercy. 2 Thess 1:5-11 "This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed." Peace, Lionstrong |
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499 | Mercy Essential? | Rom 9:15 | Lionstrong | 13704 | ||
Dear Tim, After your gracious compliment, I don't mean to insult you, but you ignore the logic of your own position. While you recognize that there are verses which teach that some will be lost because of unbelief, you don't seem to see that this logically implies that not all will be saved. And if you don't have all, you must logically have some. Therefore, it is only necessary to present a verse that says some will be lost to prove that only some (not all) will be saved. But let's stick with the passages at hand, Rom 11:32 and 9:15. What does the verse say? To see better what is does say, look at what it does not say. It does not say that the purpose of the shutting up in disobedience is that God will have mercy on all. And you know from Scripture that some "will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." So the "may" does not mean "will." So the "may" in this context must mean "to make it possible for." "God did this to make it possible for him to show mercy to all." And this fits with Rom. 9:15 concerning God's prerogative (not necessity) of showing mercy. This is one of many verses that logically says that only some (not all) will be saved. Matt 7:13,14 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and THERE ARE MANY who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and THERE ARE FEW who find it." (My emphasis) Peace, Lionstrong |
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500 | Mercy Essential? | Rom 9:15 | Lionstrong | 13729 | ||
Dear Tim, Rom 11:32 cannot mean that God will show mercy to all. This is proved in the passage of this thread, 9:15. Man has been shut up in disobedience since the Fall, yet God has not extended mercy to all. Case in point: Pharaoh and Esau: Rom 9:13-18 "Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED." What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." One point of this passage is that in God his sovereign prerogative to have mercy on whom he will, he did not have mercy on these individuals. And he did this so that his "purpose according to His choice would stand" (v.11). And God's ultimate purpose is the manifestation of his glory. Rom 9:16 "So then it (salvation. compare v. 3) does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy." To throw your charge back at you, does your "all" mean all? Peace in the Lamb, Lionstrong |
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