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341 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | Lionstrong | 17595 | ||
Dear Tim, I don't see how you can agree with Steve "to a point." His point is, and I quote, "This passage does not apply to the US or Christians?" Now this passage either has no application for God's NT Israel (us) today, or it does. My only question for brother Leabeater was HOW, not if, it applied. Then brother Steve comes in and says that it does not apply to us. So, in this case, Tim, I don't see how a partial agreement is possible. It has an application or it doesn't. Peace, Lionstrong |
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342 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | Lionstrong | 17625 | ||
Rom 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, Dear Steve, Yes, ALL of Scripture is inspired not just the whole of it. And yes, the God-inspired genealogies are profitable for teaching. If not to teach us that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenants with Abraham and David, they at least teach us that God is interested in genealogy and our personal history. Nothing is too trivial to escape God's interest. The hairs (or lack of hairs) on our head are numbered. Peace, Lionstrong |
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343 | Lionstrong, maybe this will clarify... | 2 Chr 7:14 | Lionstrong | 17666 | ||
Dear Steve, ............. ¶ Somewhere on the thread above was presented scriptural support that believing Jews and gentiles are the true Israel of God, to which you agreed. "Not all Israel is Israel." The Church is the NT Israel. Believing gentiles have been grafted in to the people of God in fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham that all nations would be blessed in his seed, that is, Christ. By faith gentiles now are the children of Abraham. Jews (physical descendants of Abraham) who do not believe in Christ are not sons of Abraham but of the devil. (John 8) ........ ¶ How has anything I've written about 2Chron 7:14 been contrary to the context of this verse? The context shows a God who answers prayer. Is this not applicable to God's NT Israel? ...... ¶Peace, Lionstrong |
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344 | Lionstrong, maybe this will clarify... | 2 Chr 7:14 | Lionstrong | 17668 | ||
Thanks, Bill ............. ¶ I see your point. I disagree, but I see your point. I'm sorry that you see the Church as an after thought or parenthesis in the plan of God and not as central in his eternal plan. (Ehp 3:10,11) God does not have two people, but one. (John 10:16) Others in the forum have defended the position I hold better than I have. ......... ¶ Peace, Lionstrong |
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345 | Lionstrong, maybe this will clarify... | 2 Chr 7:14 | Lionstrong | 18132 | ||
2 Tim 3:1617 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. Dear Steve, Since you do not accept that God has only one true people and that therefore the church is one with his OT people, then you will not accept this response to your challenge. But, nonetheless, here goes: Please note that this is not "spiritualizing" the text. ? This is not a denial of the immediate application of the text in its historical setting. It is interpreting Scripture with Scripture. It is looking at the text and asking what the rest of Scripture says either about this text in particular or about the subjects of this text. What does Scripture say about calamity and God's people? What does it teach about confessing sin? How does the whole of Scripture deal with the temple, and Jerusalem? What about consecration; how does the Bible deal with this issue? V. 13 - no rain. "No rain" is not the only hardship Solomon had petitioned God about. So, God was giving an abbreviation of a long list of petitions recorded in the previous chapter. This list not only included natural disasters, but also dealt with conflicts with the enemies of God's people. So rather than summarizing v. 13 as "no rain," it would be better to summarize it as calamity and war. When given a better summary the answer is yes. V. 14. God addresses HIS people, which is what we are, but since the coming of his Son, his people come from many nations, no longer just one. As such, we do not posses a land of our own anymore, although Israel according to the flesh does. The first part of what God promises (to forgive as we confess our sins) still applies, and is repeated in 1 John 1:9. But in what sense (spiritual, physical?) does the second promise apply? This was my original question put to Brother Leabeater at the beginning of the thread, not "if" it applies, for I believe it does, but "how." You'll recall that Paul applies the promise of the fifth commandment to gentile believer (Eph. 6) although it was given in the context of the OT church. Even though the immediate application of the promise is to Israeli real estate, Paul applies the promise to gentile believers. So, the promise of the healing of the land in like manner must in some way apply to God's people today, just like "that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee" applies to believing gentile kids who obey their parents. You'll also note that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul extends the promise from the land to the whole earth. V. 15 - In Jerusalem or in the Temple. Paul, you know, takes the promises given to the OT church and applies them to God's NT Israel. Believing Jews and gentiles share in the commonwealth of Israel (Eph. 2). God taught his OT church through types to look forward to the reality in the Messiah. To make a long dissertation short, we are the temple of God (1 Cor 3:16, 1 Jn. 3:24) in which he dwells by his Spirit. So, yes, we can pray in the temple. V. 16 - "I have chosen and consecrated this house." Are we a consecrated house? How can anyone doubt that we are a , if not the, consecrated house of God? 1 Pet 2:4,5 says, "And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." Maybe some who make a dichotomy between the OT church and the NT Israel will say that the letters of Peter do not apply to believers because it is written to the "Diaspora" (1 Pet. 1:1). Tell me, since you say "2 Tim 3:16 is for Christians, and some say the world, but 1 Cor 7:14 is not for us," then 1 Chro. 7:14 is therefore not profitable for us, why do you even bother to read this "unprofitable" section of Scripture, or do you? Or why does your pastor bother to preach this "unprofitable" portion of the Word, or does he? Peace, Lionstrong |
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346 | The Book of Job and Theological Debates | Job | Lionstrong | 21991 | ||
Job 42:7 ¶ And it came about after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has. .......... The Book of Job and Theological Debates. Our opinions are not insignificant to God and theological debates are not wrong. God listens to our opinions and judges them. Job and his friends debated the theological explanation for Job’s horrendous suffering. Some people get very hostile with others who debate theology. They believe strongly that it shouldn’t be done. This is not so with God. His wrath was not directed at Job and his friends for arguing, but at Job’s friends for not saying what was right about God. Peace, Lionstrong, a.k.a. LooseCannon |
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347 | Job DID charge God foolishly? | Job 1:22 | Lionstrong | 46257 | ||
Dear Baptistbred, Of course our theology must be shaped by the Word and not how we personally feel God ought to be. Some people "cannot bring themselves to think of God" condemning sinners to an everlasting burning lake of fire. So how do we deal with 42:7? God himself said that Job said what was right about him and that Job's friends did not. Peace, |
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348 | Job DID charge God foolishly? | Job 1:22 | Lionstrong | 46388 | ||
Dear Brother Baptistbred, For the sake of Bible study (and not for quarreling), since Bible study is what this forum is, have you shown from Scripture how Job charged God foolishly and how this foolish charge reconciles with God's testimony that Job was not guilty with his friends of not speaking of God what was right. (42:7)? Peace, |
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349 | Job DID charge God foolishly? | Job 1:22 | Lionstrong | 46505 | ||
I think that we are closer to agreeing on what the text says. I maintain that Job did not charge God foolishly and you maintain that we do not know why God rebuked him. Ok, but what is going on here. Job's friends say of God what is not right (42:7). They say that God orders suffering for the evildoers only, not the righteous. Job says no, that God (in his own sovereign prerogative) has struck him though he is righteous, and though it would prove fruitless, he would defend his righteousness before God. This is how I understand the gist of the debate. Now, Job overstated his case, but the overstatement was not a misstatement about God, but a misstatement about his righteousness. Job was righteous in his own eyes (32:1). But he spoke what was right about God in that he does order suffering for the righteous, Christ being our chief example (1 Pet. 2:21). What think ye, Baptistbred? Peace, |
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350 | Job DID charge God foolishly? | Job 1:22 | Lionstrong | 46651 | ||
Dear Baptistbred, Thanks for letting me dust off the book of Job. I have found this study profitable. We are both agreed that the sovereignty of God is a central theme in Job, although we are not agreed on if there are any errors in Job's theology. Nonetheless I've enjoyed it and wish you Peace, |
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351 | Job DID charge God foolishly? | Job 1:22 | Lionstrong | 47213 | ||
Dear Emmaus, I think the author of your article was confusing truth with sincerity. Sincerity neither makes an affirmation true nor necessarily acceptable to God. What Job said about God was right, but not because he was sincere in his pain, but because what he said was right. Contrary-wise, Job's friends saying what was not right about God had nothing to do with their sincerity. In fact, insincerity cannot be proved for either party on either side of the debate. What Job’s friends said about God was not insincere. It simply was not right. They said God orders suffering only for the wicked, and Job's suffering was ordered by God for some great wickedness on Job's part. Job's error was not what he said about God, but what he maintained about himself. He was righteous in his own eyes. Job 32:1 The Protestant or Reformed believer sees no righteousness in himself, but by faith hopes in the sufficiency of the finished work of Christ on the cross to cover all his unrighteousness and to cover him with a perfect righteousness that is totally alien to himself. So that they might say with Paul, "and [that I] may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith." Phil 3:9 The article also exults emotion over reason, a fatal an anti-biblical error. Peace, |
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352 | WAS JESUS GOD ON EARTH TOO OR JUSTMAN | Ps 8:5 | Lionstrong | 38713 | ||
Hi Pop, You wrote, "Just because Jesus slept during the storm does not mean he was so much a man that he was tired; even God rested on the seventh day." Do you mean that God gets tired? What about: Ps 121:3,4, "He will not allow your foot to slip; He who keeps you will not slumber. Behold, He who keeps Israel Will neither slumber nor sleep."? Peace, Lionstrong |
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353 | Can Animals Think? | Ps 32:9 | Lionstrong | 21445 | ||
So what is your answer to Q. 2), dear Prayon: Does no understanding apply to horse and mule only? And, are you saying that this verse has absolutely nothing to do with animals (horse and mule at least) having no understanding? Peace, a.k.a. LooseCannon |
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354 | No Rules, Just Right! | Ps 34:8 | Lionstrong | 16815 | ||
Dear Sir Pent, "it is impossible for there to be any laws which God MUST keep." "God would not do any actions contrary to biblical precedents" Why would he not if he's not bound by any rules? Or are you trying to have it both ways, my brother, SAYING there's no law which binds God, while secretly holding him to them. For your consideration, Lionstrong Ps 115:3 But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases. |
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355 | Searcher 56: Over 3,000 - Wow! | Ps 45:1 | Lionstrong | 51780 | ||
Luke 16:15 ...for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God. Just a thought. Peace, |
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356 | Searcher 56: Over 3,000 - Wow! | Ps 45:1 | Lionstrong | 51855 | ||
Dear Hank, Insults are personal, and don't like using the Forum for personal notes. For personal correspondence, please use my e-mail address found in my personal profile. Besides, how can this verse be construed as an insult? Peace in the Lamb, |
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357 | Love God, His word, any difference? | Ps 95:10 | Lionstrong | 153309 | ||
No, Ray, that's not my question. | ||||||
358 | Love God, His word, any difference? | Ps 95:10 | Lionstrong | 153312 | ||
That's right! You can't have one without the other, but that's not quite what I mean. Is the "other" really the other; are they not the same? If the word of God expresses the mind of God then to the extent that we know the word of God we know the mind of God. If we know the mind of God, then we know God. So, to restate my question, is loving God the same as loving His word as it is contained solely in the Holy Bible alone? If not, how is loving God different from loving His word? Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul; (and so is God) The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. (and so is God) Ps 19:8 The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; (and so is God) The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. (and so is God) Ps 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; (and so is God) The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether. (and so is God) Ps 19:10 They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold; (and so is God) Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb. (and so is God (Ps 34:8 "O taste and see that the LORD is good!")) Ps 19:11 Moreover, by them Your servant is warned; (and so does God) In keeping them there is great reward. |
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359 | Love God, His word, any difference? | Ps 95:10 | Lionstrong | 153321 | ||
This is a good illustration, Meusing, except the author's book did not reveal all that his wife came to know of him. The Author of our Book has told us ALL He wants us to know of Him (and it's quite a lot!), and there is no more to learn of Him apart from it. So, again, to the extent we know the word of God, to that extent we know God, because the Bible is God's revelation of Himself. But some may say, "But Christ is the highest revelation of God!" Yes, that's true. Hebrews 1 says, "God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power." But our only reliable source of the knowledge of Christ is his word alone by which the Spirit of God reveals Him to us. Matt 11:27 "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. The only means to the knowledge of God is through His Son. The only means to the Son is by the Spirit working through and with the word of God. So it is not that "we know the Author and we Know more about the Author through His word," as if there were another source of knowledge besides the Bible. There isn't. We know about the Author ONLY through His word which the Spirit of God uses to illuminates us, and we know Him MORE only through that same word. So, to love God is no different than loving His word wherein alone He reveals Himself by the Spirit through Christ our Savior. |
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360 | Love God, His word, any difference? | Ps 95:10 | Lionstrong | 153330 | ||
I know what you mean by your question, Ray, but I prefer not to play the lower case-upper case game. Peace, |
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