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401 | The 'Kosmos' in 1 John | 1 John 2:2 | Lionstrong | 19453 | ||
Well, in this verse John DOES use the word world in refering to believers, dear Brother Tim, Because it's the only meaning that makes sense of the Savior's propitiation, if one knows what propitiation means. But some maintain that the wrath of God towards all people has been propitiated and at the same time maintain Rom 1:18 is true. Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, Peace, Lionstrong |
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402 | The 'Kosmos' in 1 John | 1 John 2:2 | Lionstrong | 19421 | ||
It is not true Brother Tim, That all 23 references have the same meaning. You yourself give at least two meanings (which increases the chances of there being a third, if we're playing the odds :-)). You apply your view of 1 Jn 2:2 not because the text demands it. If my view is not right, it is at least possible. There is also nothing inherently contradictory about understanding it that way. Jesus's death not only propitiated the wrath of God for the believing John and the believers to which he wrote, but also for believers of the whole world. This speaks of a universal extent of the propitiation of our Savior. His propitiation is not an impersonal blanket that covers the whole world indescriminately. God is not impersonal. Jesus is the personal, almighty omniscient God and he had you in mind when he hung on the cross, that his blood would appeas the wrath of the Father against you. Peace, Lionstrong |
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403 | What are introversion and alternation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 19414 | ||
Sounds pardy high falootin', Casiv, But you still haven't told me what they are. Give me some definitions, please. Peace, Lionstrong |
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404 | Joined at the... Rib: Unity of Marriage | Gen 2:24 | Lionstrong | 19412 | ||
Joined at the… Rib: The unity of Man and Wife God “reckons” (a concept borrowed from Rom. 4, KJV) the unity of man and wife to be the same as that of Adam and Eve, that is, physical. The first husband and wife were actually one flesh. God made Eve from Adam’s body, his flesh. He didn’t make her form another patch of “dust from the ground” (Gen. 2:7). So I think people are wrong when they say that the “one flesh” between husband and wife is the joining of them in the sexual union. A man and a woman in sexual union do become one flesh as Paul says (I Cor. 6:16). That, I do not deny. Here, however, a man when he is “joined to his wife,” that is, when a man and a woman are joined in marriage, God reckons them as becoming one flesh. They have this unity even before the consummation of their marriage, in contrast to the unity that occurs in the act of fornication. Peace, Lionstrong |
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405 | Propitiation: Forgiveness or Provision? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 19294 | ||
Dear Bill, Your views of forgiveness, reconciliation, salvation, and regeneration are certainly not reformed, but they aren't evangelical either. I know Joe (the reformer) has addressed serveral of there issues with you already. I may comment on these views later. Peace, Lionstrong |
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406 | Created and Placed | Gen 2:8 | Lionstrong | 19289 | ||
Dear Radioman, Is the tone of your remarks hostile? Peace, Lionstrong |
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407 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 19183 | ||
Greetings Tim! "So, doesn't this mean God was extending freedom from His wrath to everyone?" No, brother Tim. Just as I wrote concering propitiation (1 Jn 2:2), if every individual in the world is reconciled then they are reconciled, that is, no longer enemies but friends. Since the Fall this has never been the case, is not now, nor ever will be. Just as Paul does not separate propitiation from salvation, so he does with reconciliation. We cannot be friends with God until his wrath is propitiated. This happens only on an personal, individual basis as we believe in our Savior. Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood THROUGH FAITH (my caps).... Rom 5:1,10 Therefore, having been justified BY FAITH (my caps), we have peace [reconciliation] with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,.... For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. The blood of Christ alone propitiates AND reconciles by faith alone. Peace, Lionstrong |
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408 | The Plan of God in an Arminian Nutshell | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 19176 | ||
The Plan of God in an Arminian Nutshell This is how I understand it from reading the posts on the Forum. You are welcome to polish it. God had a plan--a desire, maybe-- to create a universe with beings, angels and men, having free will who would love and adore him. The only problem for God was that it was impossible to create beings with free will and still be in control, that is, have things go the way he wanted them to go. He knew if he created such beings that they would not do what he wanted them to do. He couldn’t just let them go willy-nilly all over the universe, could he? So, in order to encourage compliance, he would let them know that he would punish those who didn’t do what he wanted and reward those who did. The only problem with this is that although he knew two-thirds of the angels would go along with the program, absolutely none of the men would. So, he decided that he would punish his Son instead of man. The prison doors would now be open! Anyone who wanted to walk out (of his own free will) would receive the reward of the righteous! Anyone who stayed in the prison would still be punished. A few, he knew, would come out. Peace, Lionstrong |
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409 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18917 | ||
We're both right...in a way, BJ? Jesus atoned for all sinners AND he did not atone for all sinners..... The OT and NT meanings are too close, "covering" and "take away" (in both the sin is not seen). So, this is still a contradiction. Therefore they cannot both be true. Good try, though, BJ! Peace, Lionstrong |
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410 | The 'Kosmos' in 1 John | 1 John 2:2 | Lionstrong | 18914 | ||
Hold on, brother Tim! Let me see what I wrote to see if it can mean what you think it meant! I wrote: For reasons already given for the propitiation of Christ, John must be referring to the rest of the believers in the world. O.K., I see how I might have been unclear. I was not referring to all the references you gave for I John, but the reference under which this thread is posted, I John 2:2 "...He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." I did not mean this is the only way John used the word world, but in this verse and in light of the previous reasons given for the propitiation of our Savior, John is referring to the rest of the believers in the world. Hope this helps to clarify. Peace, Lionstrong |
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411 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18912 | ||
Viva la difference, Tim! Salvation is not separte from propitiation. And Propitiation does not preceed faith In Paul's exposition of salvation in Rom. 1 - 8, he knows no propitiation apart from justification by faith. Salvation is salvation from (among other things) the wrath of God. Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a PROPITIATION IN HIS BLOOD THROUGH FAITH [my caps]. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Peace in the Lamb Lionstrong |
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412 | The 'Kosmos' in 1 John | 1 John 2:2 | Lionstrong | 18909 | ||
Hello Tim! For reasons already given for the propitiation of Christ, John must be refering to the rest of the believers in the world. Peace, Lionstrong |
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413 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18898 | ||
The mistake being made, brother Tim, is to define atonement in such a way that a person's sins are NOT atoned for, that is, propitiated (Rom 3:25). If the blood of our Savior has propitiated (translated atoned in some translation, i.e. NIV) the wrath of God against ALL sinners, then the wrath of God against ALL sinners has been propitiated. But what we see is that God's wrath will be poured out on some men. 2 Thess 1:6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 2 Thess 1:7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 2 Thess 1:8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 2 Thess 1:9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 2 Thess 1:10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed. How can this be if our Savior has propitiated the wrath of God for all men? Again, If the blood of our Savior has propitiated the wrath of God against ALL sinners, then the wrath of God against ALL sinners has been propitiated. "But because of your [unbeliever's] stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God..." Rom 2:5 Salvation means, among other things, that we are no longer under the just wrath of God. Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. Peace in the Lamb, Lionstrong Peace, Lionstrong |
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414 | Is killing during war a sin? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 18886 | ||
Don't want to be a thorn in your side, brother Steve, But recalling our other debate, does this apply to the church? Peace, Lionstrong |
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415 | Lionstrong, who is the world? | Eph 3:6 | Lionstrong | 18884 | ||
Quick answer, brother Tim, God has not saved all, therefore he has only saved some. Was he forced to only save some? Therefore, it was by his choice. Peace, Lionstrong |
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416 | Created and Placed | Gen 2:8 | Lionstrong | 18879 | ||
Created and Placed: A Meditation on Gen 2:7,8 A while back it was thought that I was making a circus of the forum when I noted that God first MADE and then MOVED the stars (Gen 1:16,17). Well, here's another instance of God doing the same with man, creating then placing. What if the space is only a few feet instead of a few light years? What is space to the Omnipresent? Can't he as easily move one as the other, and do it instantaneously? Peace, Lionstrong |
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417 | A husband's responsibility | 1 Tim 5:8 | Lionstrong | 18704 | ||
You're welcome, There, Nonetheless, "in the sweat of your face (hard work) YOU shall eat bread" is God's description of the curse as the result of man's sin. It is a curse, not a command. There's not logical way he can get from a curse to a command. This seems to be a cover-up for laziness, and irresponsibility. I pray the Lord Jesus will give him repentance. Peace, Lionstrong P.S. The woman was also cursed with hard labor in giving birth. It says nothing (neither by description nor command) about the woman providing for herself. And it doesn't say to the man, "you ALONE or ONLY shall eat bread." What's the woman to eat? The curse says nothing about her working hard to feed herself. So who provides for her? The only time you find women gathering grain in the OT is when the have no husbands. (Ruth) The wife's work is in the home not the field. (Prov 31, Titus) Titus 2:3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, Titus 2:4 so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, Titus 2:5 to be sensible, pure, WORKERS AT HOME [my caps], kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored. |
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418 | How do we know the Bible is the truth? | Bible general Archive 1 | Lionstrong | 18138 | ||
Is 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever. Dear Joe, It is valid to site Scripture's claim to be true. What if the Bible had no statements, explicit or implicit, about its truth? What if the Scripture left it completely in doubt that God cannot lie? This is a point in its favor, not against it. So what if other writings make a claim of truth? That's what this spiritual battle's all about. Who's claim will stand? Peace, Lionstrong |
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419 | Lionstrong, maybe this will clarify... | 2 Chr 7:14 | Lionstrong | 18132 | ||
2 Tim 3:1617 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. Dear Steve, Since you do not accept that God has only one true people and that therefore the church is one with his OT people, then you will not accept this response to your challenge. But, nonetheless, here goes: Please note that this is not "spiritualizing" the text. ? This is not a denial of the immediate application of the text in its historical setting. It is interpreting Scripture with Scripture. It is looking at the text and asking what the rest of Scripture says either about this text in particular or about the subjects of this text. What does Scripture say about calamity and God's people? What does it teach about confessing sin? How does the whole of Scripture deal with the temple, and Jerusalem? What about consecration; how does the Bible deal with this issue? V. 13 - no rain. "No rain" is not the only hardship Solomon had petitioned God about. So, God was giving an abbreviation of a long list of petitions recorded in the previous chapter. This list not only included natural disasters, but also dealt with conflicts with the enemies of God's people. So rather than summarizing v. 13 as "no rain," it would be better to summarize it as calamity and war. When given a better summary the answer is yes. V. 14. God addresses HIS people, which is what we are, but since the coming of his Son, his people come from many nations, no longer just one. As such, we do not posses a land of our own anymore, although Israel according to the flesh does. The first part of what God promises (to forgive as we confess our sins) still applies, and is repeated in 1 John 1:9. But in what sense (spiritual, physical?) does the second promise apply? This was my original question put to Brother Leabeater at the beginning of the thread, not "if" it applies, for I believe it does, but "how." You'll recall that Paul applies the promise of the fifth commandment to gentile believer (Eph. 6) although it was given in the context of the OT church. Even though the immediate application of the promise is to Israeli real estate, Paul applies the promise to gentile believers. So, the promise of the healing of the land in like manner must in some way apply to God's people today, just like "that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee" applies to believing gentile kids who obey their parents. You'll also note that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul extends the promise from the land to the whole earth. V. 15 - In Jerusalem or in the Temple. Paul, you know, takes the promises given to the OT church and applies them to God's NT Israel. Believing Jews and gentiles share in the commonwealth of Israel (Eph. 2). God taught his OT church through types to look forward to the reality in the Messiah. To make a long dissertation short, we are the temple of God (1 Cor 3:16, 1 Jn. 3:24) in which he dwells by his Spirit. So, yes, we can pray in the temple. V. 16 - "I have chosen and consecrated this house." Are we a consecrated house? How can anyone doubt that we are a , if not the, consecrated house of God? 1 Pet 2:4,5 says, "And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." Maybe some who make a dichotomy between the OT church and the NT Israel will say that the letters of Peter do not apply to believers because it is written to the "Diaspora" (1 Pet. 1:1). Tell me, since you say "2 Tim 3:16 is for Christians, and some say the world, but 1 Cor 7:14 is not for us," then 1 Chro. 7:14 is therefore not profitable for us, why do you even bother to read this "unprofitable" section of Scripture, or do you? Or why does your pastor bother to preach this "unprofitable" portion of the Word, or does he? Peace, Lionstrong |
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420 | Lionstrong, maybe this will clarify... | 2 Chr 7:14 | Lionstrong | 17668 | ||
Thanks, Bill ............. ¶ I see your point. I disagree, but I see your point. I'm sorry that you see the Church as an after thought or parenthesis in the plan of God and not as central in his eternal plan. (Ehp 3:10,11) God does not have two people, but one. (John 10:16) Others in the forum have defended the position I hold better than I have. ......... ¶ Peace, Lionstrong |
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