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341 | What is the correct procedure for going | Ephesians | Ken hepting | 101319 | ||
[If you are in Christ you have been delivered from the world and into the kingdom of God. You are not free from trials (at times very severe trials) but you have been freed to struggle against sin and temptation.] If, if..... If, doesn't become a "seal of completion" until I have overcome...the evil one. Meaning, "if" I believe in Christ my battle/journey is just beginning....ergo, my wilderness experience; my opportunity to reveal my allegiance to Father as He did then the above [from Reformer] is made real and effective. |
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342 | Kingdom of God...now? | Ephesians | Ken hepting | 101322 | ||
I'm not quite sure of your light bulb thing but you are right on the money as to the perfecting of the saints. Since His power is a trust we don't get His trust unless we earn it and that by abandonment to Him that He be all in all to us. Praise God that He has shown you some tough stuff. Ken |
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343 | Kingdom of God...now? | Ephesians | Ken hepting | 101424 | ||
[The kingdom of God in an eternal Kingdom. It existed( exists, will exist) without reference to time. God's salvation through Grace gives us entrance into that kingdom now and in time eternal.] I agree with you but as with all God's Grace, I believe it to be a choosing that we must do because of His Grace which calls us to it. Consider the case of the rich young ruler. I believe it to be a good example of what I'm speaking of. Good folk get saved but never enter the kingdom. The result being an obvious condition of the church[s] suffers from,i.e., no witness of the Spirit within it. Jesus said "abide"...Most don't, most won't. Those that do I believe to be the "elect" Paul speaks of. |
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344 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100151 | ||
Won't work. Can't be sustained because it is from self effort that you attempt to perform the task regardless of how many graces you 'conjure up'. [I assume you meant your self-effort to be good before you were saved, right? :)] No, I believe she means righteousness. Righteousness as in 'blameless'. We all realize no one with imputed sin can stand before God and live and Jesus took care of that on the cross. But righteous/blameless people lived long before God sent Jesus to "redeem" them from Paradise. Isaiah' mention that there is none righteous has to do with a very specific time in Israel's history having to with their rebelliousness [which is as the sin of witchcraft; no righteousness here. No, not one was.] [Your self-effort before you are saved is a pointless exercise, because no one can attain the perfection that God requires. We all have sinned, and legalism (the idea of earning salvation by law-keeping) is thoroughly refuted in Scripture. We need the imputed righteousness of Christ to be able to stand before an infinitely holy God.] But she said she is saved. Now what self effort needs be expended on her part that is different from the time she wasn't saved. I think I'm reading her correctly and that is what she is asking. [So, the Spirit of God motivates us and empowers us to fight against our old sin nature, to put sin to death] Empowers us to fight? Hmmmm....I thought it was Christ in me who did the fighting and the overcoming of the world. Believing that to be so what then is my fight, ergo power for my self effort, in the matter of overcoming? Who do I overcome that He will one day reward me amd how is my 'overcoming' accomplished? Good reading on this is the Beatitudes; John 15-17 and the parables. And lets not forget Acts 2 and 1 Corth.13,14. |
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345 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100168 | ||
[So grace is something we conjure up, now?] Absolutely, according to the way you explain it and the verses of scripture you use that don't support you. "Isaiah" mention that there is none righteous has to do with a very specific time in Israel's history having to with their rebelliousness [which is as the sin of witchcraft; no righteousness here. No, not one was.]" [So Paul lived long after Isaiah. What did he mean when he said "No one is righteous."?] None that can stand before God in his own righteousness because it isn't sufficient for that but his righteous deeds will be judged. Correct, so far? So we seek to be "blameless" in this life while enjoying the benefits of the righteousness of Christ that "justify" us and permit us to enter into His kingdom for "Sanctification"...Now......if we choose, that is....It's also called "abiding". "But she said she is saved. Now what self effort needs be expended on her part that is different from the time she wasn't saved. I think I'm reading her correctly and that is what she is asking." [Tell ya what: why don't we let her answer for herself? A novel concept, to be sure, but let's try it and see what happens...] I thought she wrote quite well, her position. "Empowers us to fight?" [I know that quoting extensive Scriptures will probably do no good here, since the cement in your mind has already set, but here goes:] OK [Fight the good fight of faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called, and you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. --1 Timothy 6:12] Self-effort, perhaps? [I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith --2 Timothy 4:12] More self-effort? [So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. --Romans 8:12-13] You're getting warm [Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. --1 Peter 2:11] Self-effort, I'm afraid. Paul said aliens. What do you think that means? [For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. --2 Corinthians 10:4] Whose "we"? Sounds here that we don't war except from a Spiritual power that is not our own. Do you think it could be Christ in us that fights against what fights aginst Him? Could it be that we are to live with that "Hope" as a "lively stone built together in Him" while not giving in to fleshly cravings and thus overcome that which would rob us of His [that] relationship? [Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. --Philippians 3:13-14] I,I,I. Seems Paul saw a responsibility here that He commited himself to. [But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts. --Romans 13:14] Ah...Now you're HOT! Read that verse again for the first time. [Only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or remain absent, I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel --Philippians 1:27] [For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me. --Colossians 1:29] His power...from Himself and not from me therefore it is ALL Him and not just one of His "Graces" that elude and frustrate when attempt to be appropriated from "SELF-AWARENESS. [Fighting, warfare, striving, pressing on; all of these WE are commanded to do by the power that comes from the Spirit of Christ. Need more?] I am about to ask you that. |
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346 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100185 | ||
[Is that what Paul and Peter are teaching, in your view? If so, are they wrong to teach it?] No..Quite the contary it's required of a son to be disciplined that he bring honor to his namesake. What Paul says is that in fighting the good fight of faith the fight has to do with retaining a singleness of eye on Christ. That's a fight to be sure because of the distractions and things that enter our minds by osmosus. Keeping our faith in Christ frees Him [by our faith in Him] to excercise His FAITH in us. "I live BY the FAITH OF the son of God"....Paul. See the woman with the issue of blood and ponder that for awhile. |
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347 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100188 | ||
[Please show me one instance where the Bible says that that the faith which saves us is HIS faith. I am asking for a direct quote here, not a rambling paragraph.] First off I won't tolerate your snottiness. I trust I'm at least clear on that. And because you aren't clear on the rest....Well that's your problem..Study to show yourself approved. ["Keeping our faith in Christ frees Him [by our faith in Him] to excercise His FAITH in us."] Means exactly what it says. Jesus could do nothing in many cities because of unbelief. You do know what that means...I hope. Now if it can be seen that our faith isn't perfect in Him and His functioning in us is a direct result of that then you should be able to see His limitations and the cause of those limitations. Tell me, how does one quench the Holy Spirit? If you were full of the Holy Spirit you would be as Christ, wouild't you? Why aren't you full of the Holy Spirit? Who would be living and having His way in you if you were? Hmmm..Who is it that presently has his way with you? |
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348 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100190 | ||
"See the woman with the issue of blood and ponder that for awhile." [What does that have to do with our struggle against sin in our lives? Not much, except for the source of the power. The Christian life is not a passive one.] You're beginning to bore me. Who's faith saved/healed her? Do you need it explained to you that saved and healed is one in the same, Spiritually speaking? Now who was it that did the actual healing/saving? Jesus, correct!? Who saves/heals us? How do we get to Him? How did she get to Him? Then what do we do, walk away as she did after she was healed? Most of us have done that. What happened to her? We don't know do we? This we know. She was healed/saved ...Once..If she had hung around she would learned that she needed to take Jesus into herself and live BY Him, by HIS FAITH, as Paul learned to and told us how to do it. In this way she would have had life and had it more abundantly! I hope she came around to that discovery in Him. You want to overcome sin and such in your life? Then that's what you will also learn how to do. Clear enough? I hope so. |
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349 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100193 | ||
Ok...I see I'm not clear even to myself on this one. Who's faith saved/healed her? Her faith. Now who was it that did the actual healing/saving? Jesus, correct!? Who saves/heals us? How do we get to Him? How did she get to Him? Then what do we do, walk away as she did after she was healed? Most of us have done that. What happened to her? We don't know do we? This we know. She was healed/saved ...Once..If she had hung around she would learned that she needed to take Jesus into herself and live BY Him, by HIS FAITH, as Paul learned to and told us how to do it. In this way she would have had life and had it more abundantly! I hope she came around to that discovery in Him. You want to overcome sin and such in your life? Then that's what you will also learn how to do. Clear enough? I hope s |
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350 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100204 | ||
["If you were full of the Holy Spirit you would be as Christ, would't you?" No.] Really? I said "as" Christ, not Christ. So you should ponder who you might be. You're not making much sense here. We sing a chorous that goes "From Glory to Glory He's changing me, changing me. His Likeness and image perfected in me ,the life He has shown to the world." 2 Cor. 3:18 (NASB-U) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit. "Who would be living and having His way in you if you were? Hmmm..Who is it that presently has his way with you?"] Since you say you don't know who would be dwelling in you to have His way leads me to believe you are something "extra-Christian" or "sub-Christian".. [I prescribe less bumper sticker theology...too many slogans get in the way of Truth.] I wonder if you can discern any kind of truth, Joe, Sorry but I think your dogma handups have muddied your waters.. |
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351 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100257 | ||
Do I have your permission to address this, Pam? | ||||||
352 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100309 | ||
No worries, Pam. On this one I just didn't want to barge in an "pontificate" like I have been known to do. I read the article "Wesleyan - Keswick Models of Sanctification" here on the net. I confess I knew nothing of Keswick and it spoke volumes to me about what I believe to be correct/incorrect. I'm not unsure as a result of my reading but rather am most convinced why there are so many denominations. I don't hold with all of what John Wesley espoused either but through it all we have history to show us that God used it all to bring about His purposes. I'm becoming more persuaded God allowed all the differences to happen to narrow down the field to those who seek Him because they really Love Him, not for religious reasons. |
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353 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100314 | ||
One more thing, Pam. I don't believe J.I.Packer had the right slant on some of his critigue in that article which left him open to misread and make wrong determinations. You must remember he is a Calvinist and they are closed on alot of sound thinking and good interpretation of the scriptures. Calvin was warped [as others we count on to kmow better] and yet spoke remarkable truth at times. | ||||||
354 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100393 | ||
[Caution: Detrimental remarks especially Calvinism/Arminianism is not permitted. Continued abuse of the rule will lead to loss of posting priviledges.] Well, if I was speaking of Jesus in that tone I believe you would be correct. Calvin was a man like all the rest of us. He made gross mistakes in his thinking that lead to much blood-letting and destruction. Our national Constitution is written in way to prevent what he did in Geneva, from ever happening again. People came to these shores to escape government and persecution heavily influenced by his thinking. That just history, John, not my opinion. If we've reached a point we can't speak of history on a forum such as this where all should be willing to know while not distorting the truth for advantage, we're in big trouble. Satan wins another one. |
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355 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100399 | ||
[And I hate to tell you this, but New England was "heavily influenced by his thinking," as you put it.] Yep..Salem witch trials and all. |
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356 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100401 | ||
I understand but it is not from a theological perspective that I discuss such men. Why they did it is a subject that will always be debated with no one winning. The fact they did it is of a historical nature. Augustine, Luther, Calvin, et al; have left marks on history that we have responsibilty to see and be cautious that we don't take into ourselves another gospel from them or anyone.. God didn't permit it and when He saw it happening He raised up another denomination to counter it. All having a truth but none having all of it. So if persecution comes for your way make sure it's because of preaching Jesus and not someone else. | ||||||
357 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100405 | ||
Maybe you can explain, Steve? What church are you a teacher/elder in? |
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358 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100437 | ||
Well perhaps you should heed the warning and stop preaching him. I would. I like this forum and sense there are a few good folk here who sense what the issues are and seek discussion without being persuaded to accept an "indoctrination" into something of a cult nature. |
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359 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100438 | ||
I like to know what I'm up against when someone says they are a teacher. I am too and like to find agreement with other teachers. | ||||||
360 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100440 | ||
[Absolutely..and the first Great Awakening] I don't know about others but your remark says nothing to me. I don't know whether yer fer'um or agin' um. |
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