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21 | How long is a Biblical Generation ? | Gen 15:16 | Holmes | 229254 | ||
Hi biblicalman, I have reviewed scripture to determine if it would be possible for Sheerah to have been in the exodus and entered Canaan with her 5th Great Grandnephew Joshua. To give a complete answer I will show the genealogy for first Moses and then Joshua. This will be in two parts since it exceeds the total amount of words allowed for one post. Part One – Moses You wrote, “So Ephraim's granddaughter married a rich Canaanite and returned to Canaan say 200 years before the exodus, rebuilding 3 cities? As Ephraim's family would also be rich this is not surprising. But you are surely not suggesting that she returned with Moses and with her great great great great great grandson Joshua? That would be stretching credulity too far.” It is important not to wildly speculate and give interpretation for which there is no biblical support as you have done above. However, that said, the question at hand is this: Is it possible that the fourth-generation Hebrew, Sheebah, could have been in the exodus from Egypt and entered into Canaan at the same time as Joshua, her 5th great grand-nephew? There are several factors that must be considered to understand the solution to this question. All scripture must be in harmony. First we look at the genealogy of Moses. 1. I have already shown that the 400 years mentioned in Genesis 15:13 included time in Canaan and then Egypt. 2. In Genesis 15:16 God promises Abraham that the Israelites will return to Canaan “in the fourth generation. It does not mean a set number of years, i.e. a generation means 100 years. If that were true, then “in the fourth generation” would be anywhere between 301-400 years, not just 400 years. 3. Exodus 12:40-41 indicates that the sons of Israel were in Egypt for EXACTLY 430 years. The original text also indicates this was both Canaan and Egypt. Note that 430 years is different from 400 years. 4. Paul explains the 430 years in Gal. 3:16-17. This time began with God’s covenant concerning Abraham’s seed, Jesus Christ, which was made at the time Abraham offered up his son Isaac. This was a foreshadow of the Passover to come. The time ended on Passover as the exodus from Egypt began, shortly after which the law, the Ten Commandments, were given. 5. Isaac was thirty years old when he was offered. We can determine this from the fact that his son Jacob was born 30 years later when Isaac was 60 years old (Genesis 25:26). From the birth of Jacob to the Exodus was 400 years. 6. When Jacob arrived in Egypt he was 130 years old (Genesis 47:9). Therefore, the time of the Israelites in Egypt was 270 years. 7. Levi was of the first generation in Egypt and he lived to be 137 years old (Genesis 6: 16). It is likely that he was about 70 years old when he arrived. 8. His son Kohath was also first generation in Egypt, 2nd generation from Levi, and he lived to be 133 years old (Genesis 46:11, Exodus 6:18). 9. Kohath’s son, Amram, was born in Egypt, a third generation. He lived to be 137 years old (Genesis 6:20). 10. Amram was the father of Moses, fourth generation. Moses was eighty years old when he led the exodus (Exodus 7:7). He was born when the Israelites had been in Egypt for 190 years (270-80 is 190 years). It is possible that Kohath was an infant in Egypt and that he was about 95 years old when Amram was born and that Amram was about 95 years old when Moses was born. This timeframe is within the limits of Kohath’s age upon arrival in Egypt, the birth of Amram and the birth of Moses. It does not fit with the 400-year timeframe. Holmes |
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22 | How long is a Biblical Generation ? | Gen 15:16 | Holmes | 229255 | ||
Part Two - Joshua So, if the Israelites were in Egypt for 270 years, how can the genealogy of Joshua be explained (1 Chronicles 7:20-27)? 1. Joshua was a “young man” at the time of the exodus (Exodus 33:11). He was at least 20 years old because he was old enough to fight and lead in battle. Therefore, I will put his date of birth at 250 years (20 years old) of the 270 years. 2. Joseph is the patriarch in this line. We know that his son Ephraim was born in the 7 good years before the drought. Jacob and company arrived in the second year of the drought. Therefore, we will say Ephraim was born about 5 years before the start of the 270 years. This leaves a net of 255 years, which must be divided by 16 generations. A total of 18 generations including Joseph and Joshua. (I know there are a total of 11 generations for Joshua and I will explain below why I am using 18.) 245 years divided by 16 generations equals out to 16 years per generation. 3. Now 16 years for each generation is possible, but it would likely mean that each generation began with a firstborn child. 4. Jacob bought the family birthright, which normally went to the firstborn, from his brother Esau (Genesis 25:33). The birthright then passed to Joseph (1 Chronicles 5:2). Joseph had two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim. Manasseh was the firstborn, but when Jacob blessed his grandsons, he transferred the birthright to Ephraim, despite Joseph’s objections (Genesis 48). Therefore, the birth-line from Ephraim to Joshua appears to be the birthright line, allowing Joshua to lead Israel into Canaan and be their leader. 5. Circa the 11th year of the Israelites in Egypt, Ephraim had a son, Shuthelah. 6. Circa the 27th year Shuthelah had a son, Bered. 7. Circa the 43rd year Bered had a son, Tahath. Tahath was the 3rd generation of Ephraim’s sons. Circa the 53rd year, Joseph died (Genesis 50:23). 8. Circa the 59th year, Tahath had a son, Eleadah. 9. Circa the 75th year, Eleadah had a son, Tahath. 10. Circa the 91st year, Tahath had a son, Zabad. 11. Circa the 109th year, Zabad had three sons, Shuthelah, Ezer and Elead. They were murdered by the men of Gath and this appears to have put an end to the line of the firstborn. This may partly be the reason that Ephraim mourned their deaths for many dates. Please note that Ephraim is now about 115 years old and these are his 6th great grandchildren! Ephraim, like Jacob, still retained the right to pass along the birthright as he desired. These are the 7 generations that were added to the 11 of Joshua. 12. Circa the 123th year, Ephraim has a son, Beriah (3rd Generation) by a different wife. 13. Circa the 139th year, Beriah has a son, Rephah. Beriah also has an additional son, Resheph and a daughter, Sheerah (4th Generation), who built lower and upper Beth-horon and Uzzen-sheerah in Canaan. Sheerah was likely born many years after Rephah, as many as a hundred years or more, when compared to the fact that her father was born when her Grandfather Ephraim was about 131 years old. This would make Sheerah 28 years old or even younger at the time of the Exodus. 14. Circa the 155th year, Rephah has a son, Telah. 15. Circa the 171th year, Telah has a son, Tahan. 16. Circa the 187th year, Tahan has a son, Ladan. 17. Circa the 203th year, Ladan has a son, Ammihud. 18. Circa the 219nd year, Ammihud has a son, Elishama. 19. Circa the 235th year, Elishama has a son, Nun. 20. Circa the 250th year, Nun has a son, Joshua. 21. 270, the Exodus. Holmes |
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23 | How long is a Biblical Generation ? | Gen 15:16 | Holmes | 229270 | ||
Hi Biblicalman, You wrote, "Joshua was thirty eight years old at the Exodus (Joshua 14.7)." What am I missing here? I see where it says that Caleb was 40 years old when they were sent to spy out the land. How are you coming up with Joshua being 38? Thanks, Holmes |
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24 | How did Moses know he was Jewish? | Ex 2:8 | Holmes | 229311 | ||
You are correct that Moses was not a Jew as that term is applied in the scriptures. The first use of the term “Jews” in the Bible is found in II Kings 16:6. King Rezin of Syria recaptured Elath from the Jews. King Rezin had waged war against Jerusalem with his ally, King Pekah of Israel! So here you see the Northern Kingdom of Israel at war against the Jews! In the O/T it seems fairly certain that the word “Jews” referred to those Hebrew subjects of the Southern Kingdom of Judea and latter to their descendants, wherever they lived. This would include those who were members of the tribes of Levi and Benjamin who were subjects of Judea. The term “Hebrew” was first applied to Abram in Genesis 14:13 and thereafter to his descendants through Isaac and Jacob. It was not Egyptian terminology. Holmes |
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25 | United States in Scripture? | Ps 82:8 | Holmes | 227024 | ||
Hi Beja, My suggestion was that Justme search the scriptures to determine if the USA is there or not. I then offered some ideas of what he might consider and some scriptures, which he might consider. The scriptures speak for themselves. I included 2 Samuel 7:10 because of the prophesy that the LORD would appoint a place for His people Israel and plant them. This was made at a time when David was King over all Israel. This task of planting Israel appears to have been given to Jeremiah: • Jer. 1:10 "See, I have appointed you this day over the nations and over the kingdoms, To pluck up and to break down, To destroy and to overthrow, To build and to plant." The Jews, those Hebrews of the Southern Kingdom of Judea, are the same ones which returned from Babylon as documented in Ezra and Nehemiah. They did not lose their identity as the Northern Kingdom of Israel did. The modern nation of Israel is Ancient Judea and not Ancient Israel. The Jewish population is about 14 million worldwide. About 42 percent of all Jews live in Israel, followed by the US with about 38 percent. Therefore, they did not fulfill the promises God made to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph. I’m not making any hints about where Israel was planted. However, the “multitude of nations” would need certain characteristics. They would be nations where circumcision is practiced: • Genesis 17: 11 And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. • 19 But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. For your consideration, Holmes |
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26 | United States in Scripture? | Ps 82:8 | Holmes | 227025 | ||
Hi BradK, Justme’s post was “United States in Scripture?” I just offered some scriptures to consider. The USA is, or was, modern Israel’s closest ally. The British and Americans were instrumental in the establishment of the modern nation of Israel. Outside of Israel, most Jews live in the United States. The USA is involved in three Middle East wars and the entire region is on fire. And, as I stated before, the British and Americans have been the preeminent world powers for the last 400 years. I did not make any conclusion, but I do think it is an interesting question. For your consideration, Holmes |
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27 | United States in Scripture? | Ps 82:8 | Holmes | 227031 | ||
Beja, Of course I believe that the scriptures I posted are relevant to the question. The question is if the United States is mentioned in scripture as a nation. God made an unconditional promise to Abraham that his descendants would be numerous and a “multitude of nations.” Notice that the subject here is nation(s). I then traced that promise of a “multitude of nations” from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to Joseph to Ephraim. This unconditional promise was one of actual physical nations and was a birthright: • Genesis 25:33 And Jacob said, "First swear to me"; so he swore to him, and sold his birthright to Jacob. • 1 Chronicles 5:1[ Genealogy from Reuben ] Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel (for he was the firstborn, but because he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph the son of Israel; so that he is not enrolled in the genealogy according to the birthright. • Jeremiah 31:9 . . . I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is My firstborn." We are in the Last Days and Jacob, when he blessed his sons told us what Joseph would look like: • Genesis 49:1 1Then Jacob summoned his sons and said, "Assemble yourselves that I may tell you what will befall you in the days to come. • 22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, A fruitful bough by a spring; Its branches run over a wall. 23 The archers bitterly attacked him, And shot at him and harassed him; 24 But his bow remained firm, And his arms were agile, From the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob Where are these nations today? Could the United States be one of them? For your consideration, Holmes |
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28 | was the sabbath still observed | Acts 13:13 | Holmes | 227295 | ||
First, it would be quite remarkable if scripture intended to let us know they had lunch that day. Second, your estimate of that verse disagrees with how the church has always understood it. Hi Beja, The breaking of bread is mentioned as the reason they had gathered together, not that they had lunch that day. This is no different than the early Christians of Acts 2:46: Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart. Were these new Christians having communion every day? No, they were taking their meals together. Also, Paul was planning on leaving the next day. If the purpose was to have communion on Sunday, then why did Paul wait well into Monday to break the bread? Now note the context of verse 11: “When he had gone back up and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while until daybreak, and then left.” No mention of it as communion, no mention of wine, only that Paul had “eaten,” on Monday, not Sunday. If “the church” has always understood it to be communion, maybe you could explain why they understand it that way. For your consideration, Holmes |
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29 | was the sabbath still observed | Acts 13:13 | Holmes | 227298 | ||
Beja, After Paul prolonged his message until midnight, Eutychus fell asleep and landed hard on the floor. Paul revived him. The very next thing to happen was Paul got up and “had broken bread and eaten." Then he resumed talking until daybreak. That is not an assumption. It is what the scripture says. Monday began at sunset. No need for anyone to take my word, your word, or John Gill’s word. They can just read Acts 20 and determine the truth for themselves. Holmes |
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30 | was the sabbath still observed | Acts 13:13 | Holmes | 227306 | ||
Hi Steve, Thanks for your insights. I think the passages speak for themselves and everyone is free to search the scriptures and for the truth of the matter. We need to guard against either adding or subtracting from what is written. Scripture will interpret scripture. When Paul waited until after the days of Unleavened Bread to leave Philippi (Acts 20:6), we don’t need to speculate that it was “merely a familiar time indicator.” Christ does not merely fulfill the type of the Passover lamb, Paul clearly states that Christ IS our Passover, “therefore let us celebrate the feast. . . “ (1Cor 5:7-8) Holmes |
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31 | was the sabbath still observed | Acts 13:13 | Holmes | 227314 | ||
Hi Beja, I think we can worship God and our Lord Jesus Christ on any day and at any time. The question was if early Christians observed the Sabbath along with Sunday and did they celebrate Passover. Based solely on scripture, it is apparent the early Christians did met on the Sabbath and did observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Scripture also shows they met on other days of the week, including Sunday. I am presently in an international Bible study program which has students from about a 100 different churches or denominations. It is a very mainstream Protestant organization. A recent study concerned the Sabbath. It was from this study I learned of the Sabbath meetings given in Acts. It also presented the two given scriptures to support Sunday worship. It was not my intent to take anything out of context or setup a straw man or an unduly weak argument in favor of Sunday worship. I am glad that you appreciate that the two scriptures offered are a weak argument. I do not find 1 Cor 16:1-2 to be any stronger. When I find scripture that is in disagreement with my beliefs or in conflict with other scripture, then it is I who am wrong. God rested on the seventh day, then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it. There was Adam and Eve at the time, the father and mother of us all, no Hebrews and no Christians. Where does God bless and sanctify the first day? Where does it state that he changed the Sabbath to Sunday? Holmes |
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32 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228287 | ||
Hi Biblicalman, You wrote: “I know of no Scripture which says that the Messiah will build a Temple. Perhaps you can enlighten me.” The Messiah said that He will build His temple and rule from His throne. He also said that this temple will be greater than Solomon’s temple. Zechariah 6:12-13 Then say to him, Thus says the LORD of hosts, “Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.” Haggai 2: 6-9 For thus says the LORD of hosts, “Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land. I will shake all the nations; and they will come with the wealth of all nations, and I will fill this house with glory,” says the LORD of hosts. “The silver is Mine and the gold is Mine,” declares the LORD of hosts. The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former,” says the Lord of hosts, “and in this place I will give peace,” declares the LORD of hosts. You wrote: “I am unable to find in my Bible where 1 Corinthians 15.25 is 'a specific reference to the millennial rule'. There is nothing specific about it at all. It is an interpretation and many would disagree with that statement. It is reading into Scripture what is not there and then calling it specific.” The answer to this is in the original post. Cuhigher pointed out apparent contradictions in various scriptures. Your explanation does not address those contradictions. All scripture must be in harmony. You wrote: “Revelation 11 cannot be literally interpreted. It is impossible to conceive of a Temple where the Gentiles control in hostility (trample) the courts of the Temple with the sanctuary alone being occupied by God's people, especially as it exists for three and a half years. The Gentiles would take over the whole Temple. The Temple must therefore be the Temple of the Holy Spirit, the body of Christ.” Are the arms of the LORD short? I’m sure it was also impossible to conceive that Judea would be reestablished in 1948 after not existing for nearly 1900 years, or that the Jews would capture control of the ancient city of Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount, as a result of the 6-Day War in 1967. These events had to occur prior to the Messiah's return, just as a third temple must also be built. After His return, He will build His own temple. Anyone who reads Ezekiel 40-48 can quickly discern that the Temple will be a physical structure, located in Jerusalem. For your consideration, Holmes |
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33 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228311 | ||
Hi Biblicalman, You wrote: - “If you think that the Ezekiel Temple will be located in Jerusalem then you have not read Ezekiel 40-48 through. You simply pick out verses that suit your case. Ezekiel 40-48 specifically cites his Temple as being outside Jerusalem. I suggest you reread it for yourself. See Ezekiel 40.2 where it was on a high mountain with the city to the south.” Ezekiel 40:2 – 3 “In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, and on it to the south there was a structure like a city. So He brought me there; and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze, with a line of flax and a measuring rod in his hand; and he was standing in the gateway.” Please note: The earth will undergo tremendous changes prior to Christ return. Revelation 16: 18-20 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. Ezekiel 38:19 In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. Isaiah 40:9 Get yourself up on a high mountain, O Zion, bearer of good news, Lift up your voice mightily, O Jerusalem, bearer of good news; Lift it up, do not fear. Say to the cities of Judah, “ Here is your God!” You wrote: - “Zechariah 6.12 must be read in context. We are actually TOLD who the Branch is there. It is Joshua the High Priest.” Note: That is incorrect, it does NOT say Branch is Joshua the High Priest. Branch is a Messianic name. Joshua the High Priest was never King, and being a Levi, was not of the House of David. The Branch is Christ, a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek. Jeremiah 23:5 “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD, “When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch; And He will reign as king and act wisely And do justice and righteousness in the land. Jeremiah 33:15 In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth. Zechariah 3:8 [ The Branch ] Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch. Zechariah 6:12-16 Then say to him, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, “Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.” You wrote: - “Haggai 2.7, 9, ‘I will shake all nations, and the desirable things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory -- the latter glory of this house will be greater than the former --- and in this place will I give peace. - With regard to the desirable things of the nations coming see my previous post on Isaiah 60.14 re the riches that poured in to Jerusalem. They specifically came to the Temple of which Haggai was speaking. And the latter house was greater than the former when Herod built his magnificent structure, which was the admiration of the world. People gasped when they saw its beauty.” God would not allow King David to build His Temple because David was a man of war. So the Temple was built by King Solomon, chosen by God Himself. This Temple contained God’s Shekinah, the Ark of the Covenant and contents, and the Urim and Thummim. Herod’s Temple was built by a non-Hebrew for his own purposes. It lacked the Shekinah, the Ark, and the Tablets of the Law. How can it be possible that Herod’s Temple is greater than Solomon’s? How did Jesus give peace in Herod’s Temple? For your consideration, Holmes |
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34 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228323 | ||
Hi biblicalman You wrote: “But all that is by the way because Haggai was not referring to Solomon’s Temple at all. He was comparing the Second Temple to the one that was coming, that is, to Herod’s Temple. Solomon’s Temple had nothing to do with it.” See Haggai 2:3 “Who is left among you who saw this temple in its former glory? There was only one “former temple.” If God had been referring to the 2nd temple He would have said, “The latter glory of this house will be greater than the present (the one you are currently working on).” You wrote: I am interested to know how you know what was in Herod’s mind. From Unger’s Bible Dictionary: “Herod was not only an Idumaean in race and a Jew in religion, but he was a heathen in practice and a monster in character. During his administration as king he proved himself to be exceedingly crafty, jealous, cruel, and revengeful. He exercised his kingly power with the disposition of a very despot.” And those are just his good features! Holmes |
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35 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228324 | ||
Hi biblicalman You wrote: You cite Zechariah as though you could simply apply these verses to the coming king because of the word Branch. But as we have already seen Zechariah 6.12-16 applies to Joshua the High Priest “ See Zechariah 6:13 “Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices.” Joshua the High Priest never sat or ruled from a throne. He is not the “Prince of Peace,” nor did he ever serve as High Priest and King, “the two offices.” Where in scripture is the fulfillment of this prophesy that Joshua the High Priest is sitting on and ruling from his throne? Holmes |
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36 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228325 | ||
Hi biblicalman You wrote: You are assuming that ‘there’ means the city. But in fact it means the high mountain. It is a repetitive phrase typical of the Old Testament. ‘So he brought me there’ is referring back to ‘he brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain’. See Ezekiel 40:3 “So He brought me there: and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze, with a line of flax and a measuring rod in his hand; and he was standing in the gateway.” What was he standing in the “gateway” of? It was the east gate of the temple. See verse 6. The east gate was also the eastern border of the city. Holmes |
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37 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Holmes | 228342 | ||
Hi biblicalman You wrote: -“So you are now telling God how He should have written the Scriptures? You are a brave man indeed.” Nope, just pointing out what was not written! You wrote: -“ And on that note I suggest that we draw this correspondence to an end.” Finally we agree. Thank you for the exchange. Holmes |
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