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961 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134609 | ||
Doc, " In John 3:5 the word "and" is not the Greek "de" but rather "kai." The former is a simple conjunction. The latter is copulative conjunction. This means that the two phrases ("water" and "spirit") occur in simultaneity. " That is exactly what the Catholic argument is. That baptism is a scrament which accomplishes what it signifies in the very act. That is simultaneously. In Baptsim we receive grace and the indwelling Holy Spirit. You having graciously made the argument for my point even better than me, I am content to left the matter rest. I will be off the Forum for at least a week after today. Emmaus |
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962 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134612 | ||
Colin, "Ordinary means" means that is the way God has established as the ordinary means of recieving grace. God has boud grace and salvation to His sacraments, but He is not bound by them. God can save in extraordinary ways when He choses or the ordinary means is not possible,i.e. the thief on the cross and Cornelius and his household. In the later case God was making a point to Peter and the other Jews, kinda like hitting them in the head with a 2 x 4 to get their attention that His Kingdom was open to the Gentiles. Notice that once Baptism was open to the Gentiles, this order of occurence never happened again. The Catholic Church even teaches a "Baptism of desire" when one is unable to be Baptiszed sacramentally, but that is not the "ordinary means" of salvation. As is often the case in the Catholic position is both / and, while the Protestant position is either / or. Catholicism integrates, Protetantism separates. Catholics see faith working through love. Protestants see faith alone and love alone some place else. Think of it like two kids. One doesn't care if the food on the plate touches. The other would prefer no touching and really likes those segmented plates. Same food, different arrangement. Let the Spirit touch the flesh or the water or the oil or the bread and wine. It won't kill you. It will save you because Christ is the minister of the sacraments and in them we encounter Him. Ultimately Jesus The Sacrament, God working in and through matter (Jesus in the flesh) to accomplish our salvation. "Through Him, with Him and in Him all glory and honor is yours almighty Father, forever and ever. Amen." Emmaus |
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963 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134614 | ||
Doc, I am putting on my wading boots. Emmaus |
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964 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134627 | ||
Colin, By His Incarnation, death and resurrection, Jesus is both the Sign and the means of grace and salvation. One definition of sacrament is that it is a sign instituted by God to give grace. Emmaus |
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965 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134640 | ||
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966 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134697 | ||
Colin, In Catholic theology, when an adult or child older than an infant is baptized, all sins committed by that person up to that time as well as original sin are remitted or forgiven. Any furue sins are dealt with by the spiritual warfare as you mentioned and by confession. Emmaus Emmaus |
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967 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134717 | ||
Colin, Not for me. What was everone so unpset about in John 6 if it was just symbolic speech and why didn't Jesus just clarify the matter if they were misunderstanding? It is more than a mere symbol and Jesus in the Bread of Life discourse never stopped those who were walking away because of His teaching on this matter by just saying, "Hey, don't get upset, you misunderstand, I am only speaking symbolically." Apparently from John 6:60, 64, 70-71 Judas was one of those who could not abide Jesus's teaching on the matter, but Judas unlike the others did not walk away just then. he waited until he could cash in by his betrayal. Emmaus |
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968 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134761 | ||
Tim, I belive that John 6:52 is the key verse in the whole passage. That was the final straw it seems. John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh." John 6:52 "Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" John 6:58 "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever." John 6:59 "These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum. John 6:60 "Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this said, "This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?" John 6:61 "But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them, "Does this cause you to stumble?" John 6:66 "As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore." So the question still remains. How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Many still cannot near this statement, which Jesu did not retract nor explain away as mere symbolic speech, but which the Church unanimously undersdtood for 1500 years as Holy Communion and which the majority of Christians still understand in that way. Emmaus |
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969 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134919 | ||
Doc, How condescending of you. Emmaus |
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970 | How does John 3:13 fit with Genesis 5:24 | John 3:13 | Emmaus | 64864 | ||
Orangejay, It is possible that in some respects they can be considered Old Testament "types" or foreshadowings of Christ. But Old Testament types are always imperfect foreshadowings of their New Testament fulfillments. Emmaus |
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971 | what does begotten mean?? | John 3:16 | Emmaus | 29599 | ||
We "beget" our offspring from what is already within us. We "create" externaly from things external to us, or in God's case from nothing. Thus God created the universe from nothing and us from the matter he created. But Jesus Christ was "begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father." ( Nicean Creed) That is he, the Son, was always present in the Father and the Father in him, eternally pre-existent before his incarnation. Emmaus |
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972 | Non-denominational theology? | John 3:16 | Emmaus | 65010 | ||
FTimA, The concept of apostolic succession , which was undisputed for the first 1500 years of Christianity is based on Acts 1:15-26, which shows that the office of the apostles as as bishops and teachers is one that is passed on by the laying on of hands. Matthias took the office of Judas. I believe in the KJV the language even says, "let another take his bishopric." Paul in one of his epistles speaks of laying hands on Timothy in relation to Timothy receiving authority as a shepherd of his church flock. So the concept of apostolic succession is not unbiblical. Emmaus |
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973 | Non-denominational theology? | John 3:16 | Emmaus | 65026 | ||
FTimA, Timothy was was ordained a bishop or shepherd to oversee his pastorate by the laying on of hands as was Matthias. "Apostolic succession is undisputed by whom?" Anyone. Please show me one Apostpolic pre-Nicean Church Father whose writings we have, that disputed the concept of apostolic succession of bishops from the apostles. Just for starters to read those who spoke on this matter see Ignatius of Antioch circa 100 A.D, in his letters to the Ephesians 6, Magnesians 6, Philadelphians 1 and Clements First Epistle to the Corinthians before 100 A.D. You can access them at this link: http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/TOC.htm Emmaus |
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974 | Non-denominational theology? | John 3:16 | Emmaus | 65061 | ||
FTimA, The combination of Scripture , which is not always absolutely clear on all points and the witness of the early history of the Church as written by the apostolic fathers, such as Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of John the Apostle, whom we can presume passed on the Gospel accurately to Ignatius, make it clear that the early Church had bishops, priests (presbuteri, elders) and deacons. We do not see the laying on of hands with Matthias, but we do see it in the case of Saul after the laying on of hands at his baptism in Acts 9:17-19 in Acts 13:2-3 which was clearly a form of ordination just as was the ordination of the deacons in Acts 6:6. Paul refers to the laying of hands on Timothy by the presbyteriate in I Timothy 4:14, an obvious reference to his ordination. Paul also warns Timothy to be careful whom he ordains by the laying on of hands, I Timothy 5:22. In various places you see the office of bishop, priest (presbyter/elder) and deacon mentioned. 1 Timothy 3, 1 Timothy 5:17-22, Titus 1 and so on. The main point I am making is that the three levels of ordained offices found some Christian Communions comprising the majority of Christianity : Catholic, Eastern Orthodox , Protestant (Anglican, Episcalal, Methodist, Lutheran) are not unbiblical, but are easily found in scripture and supported by 2000 years of history, during 1500 of which they were universally acknowledged by all Christians. Structural offices of authority within the Church does not deny the headship of Christ but shows the practical application of the authority He conferred on the apostles in Matt 16: 18-20; 28:18-20; Luke 9:6; Luke 10; John 20:19-23; 21:15-17. Emmaus |
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975 | What is Christianity? | John 3:16 | Emmaus | 124205 | ||
James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. | ||||||
976 | Must we be baptized to be saved? | John 3:22 | Emmaus | 82209 | ||
jbw, We disagree on the baptismal regeneration, not on God's ability to save those who cannot be baptised. Emmaus |
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977 | Must we be baptized to be saved? | John 3:22 | Emmaus | 82233 | ||
Baptism and the grace it confers, as I view it, is not something we do ourselves, but something that Christ does to us by and through his Body the Church. I find it incoceivable that Jesus would go out of his way to tell us to do something that is an empty ritual. It was important enough that He set the example, though He did not need to. | ||||||
978 | Must we be baptized to be saved? | John 3:22 | Emmaus | 82244 | ||
No offense taken. If you read my previous posts your will see that I addressed the thief on the cross who was one that could not be baptised.Here is where I am coming from. " VI. THE NECESSITY OF BAPTISM 1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.[59] He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.[60] Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.[61] The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments. 1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament. 1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament. 1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."[62] Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity. 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"[63] allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism." Catechism of the Catholic Church |
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979 | Had Woman at Well Been Married 5 Times? | John 4:18 | Emmaus | 79424 | ||
Tim, Always a pleasure! Emmaus |
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980 | What about the woman at the well in Jn 4 | John 4:18 | Emmaus | 110104 | ||
TommyS, If you don't mind, please send me an e-mail at the address in my profile. Emmaus |
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