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1161 | when is someone saved? | Rom 10:9 | Emmaus | 58866 | ||
John, Just a little Catholic persepctive on the subject. "Perseverance of the saints Calvinists teach that if a person enters a state of grace he never will leave it but will persevere to the end of life. This doctrine is normally called the perseverance of the saints. [33] All those who are at any time saints (in a state of sanctifying grace, to use Catholic terminology) will remain so forever. No matter what trials they face, they will always persevere, so their salvation is eternally secure. [34] Analogies are used to support this teaching. Calvinists point out that when we become Christians we become God's children. They infer that, just as a child's position in the family is secure, our position in God's family is secure. A father would not kick his son out, so God will not kick us out. This reasoning is faulty. The analogy does not prove what it is supposed to. Children do not have "eternal security" in their families. First, they can be disowned. Second, even if a father would not kick anyone out, a child can leave the house on his own, disown his parents, and sever all ties with the family. Third, children can die; we, as God's children, can die spiritual deaths after we have been spiritually "born again." [35] Calvinists also use Bible passages to teach perseverance of the saints. The chief ones are John 6:37-39, 10:27-29, and Romans 8:35-39. The Calvinist interpretation of these passages takes them out of context [36], and there are numerous other exegetical problems with their interpretation. [37] Calvinists assume perseverance of the saints is entailed by the idea of predestination. If one is predestined to be saved, does it not follow he must persevere to the end? This involves a confusion about what people are predestined to: Is it predestination to initial salvation or final salvation? The two are not the same. A person might be predestined to one, but this does not mean he is predestined necessarily to the other. [38] One must define which kind of predestination is being discussed. If one is talking about predestination to initial salvation, then the fact that a person will come to God does not of itself mean he will stay with God. If one is talking about predestination to final salvation, then a predestined person will stay with God, but this does not mean the predestined are the only ones who experience initial salvation. Some might genuinely come to God (because they were predestined to initial salvation) and then genuinely leave (because they were not predestined to final salvation). [39] Either way, predestination to initial salvation does not entail predestination to final salvation. [40] There is no reason why a person cannot be predestined to "believe for a while" but "in time of temptation fall away" (Luke 8:13). [41] A Catholic must affirm that there are people who experience initial salvation and who do not go on to final salvation, but he is free to hold to a form of perseverance of the saints. The question is how one defines the term "saints"--in the Calvinist way, as all those who ever enter a state of sanctifying grace, or in a more Catholic way, as those who will go on to have their sanctification (their "saintification") completed. [42] If one defines "saint" in the latter sense, a Catholic may believe in perseverance of the saints, since a person predestined to final salvation must by definition persevere to the end. Catholics even have a special name for the grace God gives these people: "the gift of final perseverance." The Church formally teaches that there is a gift of final perseverance. [43] Aquinas (and even Molina) said this grace always ensures that a person will persevere. [44] Aquinas said, "Predestination [to final salvation] most certainly and infallibly takes effect." [45] But not all who come to God receive this grace. Aquinas said the gift of final perseverance is "the abiding in good to the end of life. In order to have this perseverance man...needs the divine assistance guiding and guarding him against the attacks of the passions...[A]fter anyone has been justified by grace, he still needs to beseech God for the aforesaid gift of perseverance, that he may be kept from evil till the end of life. For to many grace is given to whom perseverance in grace is not give." [46] The idea that a person can be predestined to come to God yet not be predestined to stay the course may be new to Calvinists and may sound strange to them, but it did not sound strange to Augustine, Aquinas, or even Luther. Calvinists frequently cite these men as "Calvinists before Calvin." While they did hold high views of predestination, they did not draw Calvin's inference that all who are ever saved are predestined to remain in grace. [47] Instead, their faith was informed by the biblical teaching that some who enter the sphere of grace go on to leave it." from "A Tiptoe Through TULIP" by James Akin Emmaus |
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1162 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | Emmaus | 58778 | ||
Jesusfrak, Pleased to be of service. If you are interested in a book length treatment of the subject, this link will take you to the book that is considered by many to be the standard on the subject of Deaconesses in the early Church. It was published,I believe, in 1986. http://www.ignatius.com Type Deaconess in the search box and it will take you to the title. Click on the title and it will take you to as picture of the book and a jacket blurb. Emmaus |
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1163 | Hi JesusFreak | 1 Cor 14:34 | Emmaus | 58743 | ||
Jesufreak, This link regarding deaconesses may be of interest to you. It was originallypublished in 1912 I believe. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04651a.htm I would also like to gently point out that there were vernacular translations of the bible done by Catholics before the Reformation. And when the bible was first translated into Latin, even before the time of Jerome it was because Latin was the vernacular language of the West and those who could read, read Latin. Emmaus |
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1164 | help me understand | John 6:66 | Emmaus | 58491 | ||
dasev, At the first Passover and all other Passovers did the Hewbrews eat the sacricial lamb? Yes, and not just a symbol of a lamb, because it was not enough to just kill it and put the blood on the door post. If they did not eat the flesh of the lamb they would have died, rather than be passed over. As with that covenant meal so with ours. The Lamb of God said: "47: Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48: I am the bread of life. 49: Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50: This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. 51: I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." 52: The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" 53: So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54: he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55: For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56: He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57: As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. " John 6 "26: Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is my body." 27: And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you; 28: for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. " Matt 26 This is a hard saying. Who can tolerate it? Emmaus |
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1165 | help me understand | John 6:66 | Emmaus | 58475 | ||
dasev, You are finally getting closer to the truth. The word sacrament comes from the Latin word sacramentum, which means oath, as in covenant oath and Holy Communion is a sacrificial covenant meal. All the sacraments celebrate the New Covenant in the blood of Jesus. Emmaus |
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1166 | Church is kidnapped to Sodom! | James 2:8 | Emmaus | 58378 | ||
Jesusfreak508, You asked: "Forgive him, but strip him of the fruits of being forgiven. If his repentence is sincere, and their forgiveness is sincere, where is your scriptural basis for this punishment after repentance and forgiveness?" Even sins that have been forgiven can have lasting consequences in our earthly lives if not the next. There are many comtemporary examples that could be cited such as the health effects of drug addition which has been overcome and forgiven. But for a scriptural example of God Himself foloowing this pattern see 2 Samuel 12:1-18 "1: And the LORD sent Nathan to David. He came to him, and said to him, "There were two men in a certain city, the one rich and the other poor. 2: The rich man had very many flocks and herds; 3: but the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb, which he had bought. And he brought it up, and it grew up with him and with his children; it used to eat of his morsel, and drink from his cup, and lie in his bosom, and it was like a daughter to him. 4: Now there came a traveler to the rich man, and he was unwilling to take one of his own flock or herd to prepare for the wayfarer who had come to him, but he took the poor man's lamb, and prepared it for the man who had come to him." 5: Then David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, "As the LORD lives, the man who has done this deserves to die; 6: and he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity." 7: Nathan said to David, "You are the man. Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, "I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul; 8: and I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. 9: Why have you despised the word of the LORD, to do what is evil in his sight? You have smitten Uri'ah the Hittite with the sword, and have taken his wife to be your wife, and have slain him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10: Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me, and have taken the wife of Uri'ah the Hittite to be your wife." 11: Thus says the LORD, "Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. 12: For you did it secretly; but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun."" 13: David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD." And Nathan said to David, "The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die. 14: Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the LORD, the child that is born to you shall die." 15: Then Nathan went to his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uri'ah's wife bore to David, and it became sick. 16: David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in and lay all night upon the ground. 17: And the elders of his house stood beside him, to raise him from the ground; but he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18: On the seventh day the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead; for they said, "Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spoke to him, and he did not listen to us; how then can we say to him the child is dead? " Emmaus |
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1167 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57960 | ||
dasev, I was pointing out that you, by stating that "those who ascribe to roman catholic doctrine in its totality really are not intellectualy honest regarding history or the Word" were confessing the sins of others. That is being the accuser. We do know who the accuser of sins is. Christians as I understand scripture are to confess their own sins or as a corporate body the sins of their own group. You chose to "confess" to Estelle the alledged sin (intellectual dishonesty) or sins of a body to which you do not belong. Perhaps you should follow the biblical example of confessing your own sins or those of the body to which you belong if you feel the urge. It is apparent from your comments that you know very little about the Catholic faith as it it understood by Catholics. Your understanding of Catholic doctrine about confession is completely deficient in that you make assumptions that are totally inaccurate (i.e that Catholics can not or do not confess their sins to God other than in a confessional booth to a priest). It is one thing to understand correctly another's position and disagree with it. It is an entirely other thing to misunderstand and misrepresent another's position and then assault that caricature of the true position. Your comments fit into the latter category. I hope that your comments are made in ignorance and not with malice. My I suggest that before you attack the faith of another, you first learn about it from someone who is qualified to teach it accurateley, preferably one who believes that faith. You ask if I am "a member of the r.c. church., and if so what order." This also display basic ignorance about Catholics. Most Catholics are lay people and do not belong to any order or religious congregation. Indeed, even most priests do not belong to any "order". Since you are not a Catholic, may I suggest you avoid that area and stick to what you know. I have no idea what your faith background is and I would not presume to comment on what your Church teaches if I did. You asked before if I was a "card carrying Catholic" and if so you had questions. Being in the questioner's seat is a good place for you to be on the subject of Catholicism, because you have yet to give an accurate answer on that subject. Emmaus |
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1168 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57843 | ||
dasev, Your leap of logic and citations leaves me speechless. I can only hope my condition will not be construed as intellectual dishonesty. Emmaus |
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1169 | "Ask and you shall receive" | Matt 7:7 | Emmaus | 57841 | ||
Jules, I also believe that people can produce good fruit, but only with God's grace and it is because of that gift of grace to which we respond that God takes souls to heaven, not because of our own innate naturral goodness. Anyway, welome to the forum. Emmaus |
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1170 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57833 | ||
dasev, In that case I would view your statement as prejudice since it prejudges all Catholics. Emmaus |
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1171 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57829 | ||
dasev, "Note: dear Emmaus, submitted for review and comment: Daniel 9 vs 4 to 19 Psalm 106 vs 6 Leviticus 26 vs 40 Job 1 vs 5 Nehemiah 1 vs 5 to 7 dasev" dasev, All examples of individuals confessing to God their personal sins and the corporate sins of the family to which they belong (Israel). Am I to understand that when you confessed the sin of Catholics being intellectually dishonest that you were including yourself within that Catholic body? The people in all your citations were clearly including themselves in the body of Israel whose sin they were confessing. Emmaus |
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1172 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57827 | ||
dasev, One on one is fine with me. Emmaus |
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1173 | "Ask and you shall receive" | Matt 7:7 | Emmaus | 57686 | ||
Jules, Have you really thought through the full meaning of your statement that: "Historically, God has taken young people to heaven because they were good."? I am not so sure it is either historical or biblical to make such an assertion. I am inclined to say that it is biblical and historical in the biblical sense that we die because of the sin of Adam and that we are all lost because of that sin alone before we even have the oppourtunity to commit our own sins. So if God does choose to take the youg who die to heaven it is because He (God) is good and merciful, and because Jesus died for our sins, including Adam's, not because the children are good. "For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive" 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 Emmaus |
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1174 | Thankful To Be Alive! | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57399 | ||
Hank, Good to see you still posting from this side. Thank God for giving you more time with us through the ministrations of the doctors. Just don't go getting all serious on us. Emmaus |
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1175 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Emmaus | 57137 | ||
Hank, Haven't seen a post from you for several days. Hope you are just on vacation. Emmaus |
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1176 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57131 | ||
dasev, "those who ascribe to roman catholic doctrine in its totality really are not intellectualy honest regarding history or the Word." dasev Really? Maybe next time I go to confession I will confess someone else's sins following your example. Catholics are normally in the habit of confessing their own. Emmaus |
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1177 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57124 | ||
dasev, You question reminds me of a commom practice among Catholics when I was young. Many Catholics then actually were "card carrying." They carried a card in their wallet or pocket that said: "I am a Catholic. In the event an emergency please call a priest." Some still follow that practice, but I suspect that is not that custom to which you were referring. Emmaus |
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1178 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57119 | ||
I expect from the phrasing of your question that you have more questions than would be fair to be covered here. I live in Baltimore too and will be happy to meet you in person. Please name a time and place on a Saturday morning and I will be happy to have breakfast with you. Emmaus |
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1179 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57045 | ||
teragram123 If the words and doctrine are correct(true), but the actual walking out in faith deficient, where does the fault lie, with the teacher or the individual? It is not just knowing the truth that sets you free, but walking it out in faith. Even the catechism passages you quote do not talk about washing away the stain of sin only the temporal consequences of sin. Catholics who truly believe in the atoning blood of Jesus do manifest it in their lifes and their religion. They too know the truth are free indeed. Emmaus |
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1180 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 56988 | ||
Estelle, "Unlike BC, today we do not 'atone' for sin because it is impossible to pay the price for it (although Catholicism believes otherwise). Jesus' blood washes us clean as we pray for God's forgiveness of both known and unknown sin in our lives. As we continue to seek truth, we should ask the Holy Spirit to reveal our sins to us so that we can confess them specifically and turn from them with the help of God (see John 3:21)." Actually Catholics do not believe otherwise. Catholics believe the atoning blood of Christ and only the blood of Christ washes us clean and achieves for us eternal salvation. This is the primary subject matter of the New Testament. There is a distinction,however, between eternal and temporal atonement and salvation. The Old Testament deals in essence with temporal salvation and atonement. The Old Testament rarely if ever in unabiguous terms refers to eternal salvation and atonement. Usually it refers to temporal salvation, such as deliverance from slavery in Egypt or physical death or the various other enemies of Israel or from plagues that Israel may or may not have brought upon itself by sin. It is mainly the temporal consequence of sin we see addressed in the Old Testament when sin is addressed. A few examples from among hundreds of examples to consider: I wait for thy salvation, O LORD. Raiders shall raid Gad, but he shall raid at their heels. Gen 49:18-19 And Moses said to the people, "Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will work for you today; for the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again. The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be still." Ex 14:13-14 Because the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp, to save you and to give up your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy, that he may not see anything indecent among you, and turn away from you. Duet 23:14 Now therefore stand still, that I (Samuel) may plead with you before the LORD concerning all the saving deeds of the LORD which he performed for you and for your fathers. 1 Sam 12:7 "Man is also chastened with pain upon his bed, and with continual strife in his bones; so that his life loathes bread, and his appetite dainty food... His soul draws near the Pit, and his life to those who bring death. If there be for him an angel, a mediator, one of the thousand, to declare to man what is right for him; and he is gracious to him, and says, "Deliver him from going down into the Pit, I have found a ransom; let his flesh become fresh with youth; let him return to the days of his youthful vigor"; then man prays to God, and he accepts him, he comes into his presence with joy. He recounts to men his salvation, and he sings before men, and says: "I sinned and perverted what was right, and it was not requited to me. He has redeemed my soul from going down into the Pit, and my life shall see the light." Job 33:19-28 And although the NT is concerned primarily with etrnal salvation we also see even there the concept of temporal salavation: And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 8:23-25 And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 27:42 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people, and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us; Luke 1:68-71 And Peter answered him, "Lord, if it is you, bid me come to you on the water." He said, "Come." So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus; but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, "Lord, save me." Jesus immediately reached out his hand and caught him, saying to him, "O man of little faith, why did you doubt?" Luke 14:28-31 Man can be a temporal savior by physically saving someone even as Jesus reached out with his hand to save Peter from drowning or by feeding the starving man. And man can atone for the temporal consequence of sin such as by making restitution for theft or destruction of anothers' goods and there by removing the hardship caused and bringing reconciliation and perhaps removing the temporal consequence of his own incarceration for his sin. It is only in this tempral sense that Catholics believe in atonement. Emmaus |
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