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4761 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127313 | ||
Ancient here is the the answers to your questions 1) As God is the same yesterday today and forever, and God's methodology in instituting commandments is always quite detailed, should this not be the case in the New Testament as well? Ans: Let’s look at just a few of the exceptions to your premise. Matthew 28:19-20, John 7:16 Acts 1:7 Act 2:38, 1 Cor 11:27 and 1 Cor 11:29 2) If the Hebrews passage is a commandment, what are the specific parameters of this commandment? How often? Where? How many people should be attending? What day does this passage prescribe? Ans: Where does it say a commandment has to have parameters? If I tell you to pick up a stone is that not a command? Do I have to say pick up every stone, or one stone three times a day before it becomes a commandment? I think not! 3) If Hebrews does not have parameters to follow, then is it really a commandment, according to the examples given in the past of God's lawmaking? How are we supposed to follow when we aren't told how? Or shall we just decide on our own what the parameters should be? Ans: Once again is the absence of parameters proof there is no commandment? What are the parameters on love you neighbor as yourself? Once again you say command must have parameters again I say “Pick up a stone “: is very much a command and it carries not parameters. 4) In what way do you consider love, being all encompassing, to have potential for failure when Corinthians says that love never fails? Ans: Love for God and love for each other prevents us from disobeying his commandments. Love is the motivator, obedience is the result, commandments are direction setters. 5) What thing that I have said has given you the impression that we should love only in word, doing anything else however we please, as opposed to loving in deed and truth, as described in Corinthians? Ans: You have said you do only what you determine is correct irregardless of what anyone else says. You have mocked the church, orthodoxy and said, “…I see something many don't see. Maybe that makes me wrong. Maybe that makes me special. Who knows which.” 6) If all commandments we have are summed up by love, are derived from love, and are fulfilled by love, then what commandments do you suggest do not fall within these parameters without contradicting scripture? Ans: Again love is the motivator not the conclusion. I can love the pieces out of something but still do it harm. How many mercy killings are proof of this. Your taking love an emotion a motivator and trying to make it the end all. It isn’t it is what we do with and how we show that love that matters. 7) If love is once again the fulfillment of the law and from where the law is derived, then in what way does attendance at a church building adhere to this commandment or exhortation in Hebrews that cannot also be adhered to through a Bible study of five or six people? Ans: Love is not the fullfillment but rather a motivator of keeping the law. Jesus said the law hangs on these not that they are fulfilled by love. It takes action and obedience to fulfill the law. 8) Jesus said that where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there in their midst. At what point did two or three gathered become inadequate in favor of a church congregation? Ans: I never argued that point. I just said Hebrews 10:25 clearly tells us to gather together. However even Jesus recognized the fact it took 12 to make a synagogue. 9) With our present availability to as many as twenty bible translations, interlinear bibles, concordances, online websites, history books, a voice of our own to raise in song, radios to sing along to, homes to gather together, and dozens of commentaries and other books on various topics ... what thing can we not accomplish at our home that can only be accomplished at church? Ans: We can not fellowship with others at home, we are called to exhort encourage and edify. We are called to teach preach and baptize, We are call to be witnesses. All of which is impossible locked in our own little homes. 10) What thing makes you believe that going to church is a commandment when loving your neighbor, in truth not word, fulfills the law regardless of going to church? Ans: Again where does it say love fulfills the law? We are not under the law by grace which merely means the law and our keeping of it or not will not effect our salvation. However the law is still in place and still should be our standard for living. In all of this I fail to see you point. Your point is the only law is to love and if we do that everything else is okay. EdB |
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4762 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127315 | ||
Country Girl You have expressed my point clearly. If you read what I have said in this thread, while God no longer places demands on us He does gives us direction that He expects us to follow. Ancient is saying not so, if we have love we have met all of god's criteria. I'm trying to show him and others how utterly ridiculous that is. If you read his comments and dwell on the points he is making you will see it is not othrodox Christianity but rather humanism. EdB |
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4763 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127361 | ||
Ancient Sorry to have missed so much I was in church.:-) First and foremost I never said it was ridiculous to suggest that love meets all of God's criteria. It doesn't it is the motivator or vehicle by which God's criteria is met but it in itself does not meet it. Please don't say things I never said. You then said, “This last statement you are making: If you read his comments and dwell on the points he is making you will see it is not orthodox Christianity but rather humanism," demonstrates my problem with orthodox Christianity. The message Jesus came to teach is love, and no other. Where orthodox Christianity disagrees with that, orthodoxy is defying scripture, and it is wrong. And that is that.” Jesus taught on a lot more than love. He called for us to be holy, He talked about our sinful nature and how we must crucify the flesh, take up our cross and follow him. Jesus talked about hypocrisy, self centeredness and unforgiveness. But mostly Jesus warned that there would be false teachers that would try to make His message something other that what it was. Personally I think Emmaus hit the nail on the head this is not a debate over Bible interpretation but rather a conflict where you reject the authority of any kind EdB |
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4764 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127363 | ||
Ancient The point of this exercise? Was it not just as I said it would be. I answered you on each point. Then you rebutted the ones you could rebut, however I must say that you used convoluted and illogical reasoning. In the statements you couldn't directly rebut you dismissed. Just as I said you would do. A command to do something has a parameter (as you are so hung up on) that parameter is doing what your told to do. In this case we are told to assemble together to exhort, encourage and edify each other. The command is to assemble the parameters are together and to exhort. You then ask how often, I think this is nature of our Lord, He learned long ago if he said once we would do it once, if He said 5 times we would do it five times. He said do it and left the decision of how often to us. Perhaps how often is in direct proportion to our love for Him. The examples I gave are just a few of the many commands Jesus gave. Yet you summarily reject them. Jesus called us to holiness, to righteousness, and to love, He commanded us to go into the world and be his witness, He commanded us to be wise and not to be deceived by those that would come into our midst, Yes He commanded us to love, first God and then our neighbors, but he also commanded us to serve God and worship God. He commanded us to respect the Law and to honor the law and to live by its standards and precepts. Admittedly love is the activator of us doing this since we are no longer under the threat of eternal damnation however love is vehicle, the attitude not the action. If I just loved you and never told you, you were wrong on this subject would that fulfilling what Jesus called us to do? No Jesus said if we see someone in error we should go to him and tell him he is in error and help him find his way. That is love. Ancient the more I learn of your position on this subject, I see your problem is not really with the command to assemble together but rather your problem is with the church itself. You see the church as corrupt, you see the church as the instigator of sin and crime and you see the church filled with hypocrisy. Somewhere you have been hurt by the church or rather by people within the church. It was wrong and I wish I could correct that situation however neither you or I can, however forsaking of the church is not the answer. The church is made of people and people sin, therefore the church on earth is going to sin from time to time. That does not change the fact Jesus started the church and the church is what has carried Christianity through the ages. While churches have done things wrong they have also done many good things most of the colleges were founded by the church. Most hospitals, orphanages, retirement homes are church backed or at the very least started by the church. churches are involved in recovery centers, head-start programs, rehabilitation center, food and can clothing centers. All of these represent ways the church members can get directly involved in ministering to others. Jesus commanded us to go and teach and make disciples He provided no other parameters other than that. I take it to mean that we are to constantly to minister to the needs and cares of others, telling them the wonderful truths of God’s love for us and how His Son came to this earth and died for us. I also take to mean that whenever we see someone that says we don’t have to attend church, the very entity Jesus established here on earth, we are to also tell them they are wrong. I feel you have a very definite problem with authority, you like to be the authority in you home Bible study (which by the way is assembling together) but you don’t want to under the authority of others. God created authority also and put each one of us is under some kind of authority. Jesus then taught that authority was for our good and that we should learn to live under it not chaff under it. Along with authority you reject teaching quoting 1 John 2:27 yet we know God ordained teachers, pastor, evangelist, prophets and apostles to teach his truths. Therefore you interpretation that you have no need of teachers is incorrect. We all must learn and God uses ministry offices especially teachers and pastors to teach us. EdB |
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4765 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127364 | ||
Country Girl Good answer using sound and Biblically correct reasoning. EdB |
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4766 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127365 | ||
tgc Excellent word and a fantastic mission statement. May God's richest blessings be upon you and this new work. My prayer is Ancient will one either change his opinion or at least stop promoting it before the babes and young in Christ that so often visit us here on the forum. Just what we need a person that claims to be a Christian telling them they don't have to do to church and even worst blaming the church for the sins of unrighteous men. EdB |
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4767 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127405 | ||
Ancient First don't you see what your doing? Your using proof text. That is when you take text stand alone out of context and paste it with others in an effort to make the text prove what your saying. First Love is an emotion, it has no action of it own. For love to accomplish anything it must have action. I don’t see how you can debate that it is so obvious. That is why God gave us commandments, precepts, standards, and laws so our action would rightly conform to our love. Love can be misguided we see this all the time people loving whales that the expense of the welfare of children (making donations to save the whale at the expense of donating to children's homes) and some even love life to the point of suggesting the idea of creating babies for medical purposes (harvesting stem cells from aborted babies). Love has caused some to mistreat others in what they thought was an act of love. That is why we need laws, standards, precepts and commandments to insure that love is properly directed. Love without action is a hollow as action without love. For either to be effective they must go together. Jesus realized this and said if you love me follow my commandments. Notice He didn’t say sit around and love. Later he said if you say you love me and hate your neighbor then you are a liar. In both cases Jesus is demanding action. God wrote the Bible because of His love for us, in effect it is a love letter. What we do with it reveals whether we love God back or not. Just reading the Bible and doing nothing other than sitting there loving is without purpose and DOES NOT fill the criteria of God. If we really love God we will obey and follow hard after those things He sat down before us. We will be the servants God called us to be. Incidentally servants serve their masters commands. Once more I repeat we are not under the law as far as our salvation but the Law still stands today as a standard by which to live by. If we didn’t have the law ‘thou shall not kill’ and if we loved someone and knew they would be better off in heaven than this earth it could be argued killing them was an act of love. However we do have the commandment ‘thou shall not kill’ therefore there is no way to convolute our understanding of it. That is why God gave commandments. You keep saying if going to church is a commandment and if I break it then I’m the same as a murderer. That is correct we are both sinners in the eyes of God however Jesus died for my sins therefore I won’t suffer the consequences of my sin. That is what it means when the Bible says Jesus paid the price. God gave us scripture so we could live upon this earth serving Him in the way He wanted served. He had Paul pen the words ‘forsake not the assembling together as is the habit of some.’ You can hedge this any way you want, supply scripture until the cow come home but I’m here to tell us God said it was profitable and He desired us to assemble together as a church body. It is equally unprofitable for you or anyone else to try to minimize that in any way. If you can’t see that then sir I submit the enemy has you blinded. Incidentally I really don’t like you misquoting me. Here again you try to proof text taking my words and putting your own meaning to them. My statement was, “If you read what I have said in this thread, while God no longer places demands on us He does gives us direction that He expects us to follow. Ancient is saying not so, if we have love we have met all of god's criteria. I'm trying to show him and others how utterly ridiculous that is.” That is a long way from saying, “it was ridiculous to suggest that love meets all of God's criteria." Once again I say love is emotion and requires action, action must be guided by love but the fact is action is still required. If you can’t see that then I’m afraid you fail to see many things. EdB |
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4768 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127410 | ||
Ancient You read only what you want to read and focus only on what you think proves your point. Hebrew 10:25 is as much a command as is Exodus 20:13. It was given for our good, for our wellbeing and for benefit. Will, not going to church send us to hell? Yes if we are not Christian, but no if we are in Christ (and I don’t believe true Christians stay home from church) since Christ paid the price for that sin. By the way that is the same for murder without Christ the murdered is condemned to the Lake of Fire, however if the murdered finds Christ ( and I don’t believe real Christians murder) his name is written in the book of life and he will spend eternity with Christ. What you saying is every man should decide for himself what is right for him. That removes God out of the equation and you just can't do that. That is where I have a problem with what you saying. Man doesn’t always make the right decisions many times he starts out good but ends up all wrong. Look at Jim Jones and David Koresh I don’t know either of their hearts but I imagine both started out with a hunger to serve God. Somewhere that got perverted and they mutated into monsters they became. That is why it is so important to compare our actions, our beliefs, our standards against the rest of orthodoxy. If we come up wanting perhaps we have gotten off track and need to be put back on. Further your saying each man should decide for himself what the Bible says even if it conflicts with orthodoxy because in the past men have convoluted and manufactured falsehoods. I’m saying first the church was not responsible for those sins, secondly it was the individual men involve and it wasn’t universal to the church at the time, thirdly the actual participation by the church is greatly overstated in those deeds in most cases the church fought against the actual event. You also promote a very humanist view of scripture, “all you need is love”, No you need servanthood, obedience, holiness, faith, trust, and love. Love is only one of 9 essentials listed in the fruit of the spirit and for a reason it is not in itself the end. Lastly you speak as if you have authority to tell others what is essential in their walk with God. To me that assumes you know more about it than God. I doubt that very much. You say I’m insulting perhaps I speak in truth and that raises your fur. Lastly I have always been taught if a man knows what he is talking about he can say it clearly and concisely in very few words. Your posts many of which must be cut into 3 parts are filled with little more than strawman arguments and scripture ripped from context. Your right I think we are done discussing this and please spare us your teaching on Love, I think everyone on the forum prefers to get their teaching form the masters mouth called the whole word of God. EdB |
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4769 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127434 | ||
Ancient Once again you attack me instead of what I say. The foundation of Christianity is becoming a submitted servant of the Lord which entails far more than just love. It requires joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Along with holiness, righteousness, obedience, committment, faith and willingness to serve. You seem to forget these. EdB |
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4770 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127435 | ||
Ancient I'm sorry you feel this way. I have tried in to show you that the doctrine you claim as authentic Christianity isn't. It is the doctrine of "love" and we have people trying to live it and and sing about it but Jesus said He was the only door, no one comes to the father except by Him. You said love is the only thing that matters, yet we see listed in Galatians 5:22-23 many more things. Galatians 5:22-2 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Jesus said if we are to be His disciples and if we love Him we will keep his commandments. He also said He did not come to destroy the law. The law is not longer used to justify our salvation or the lack of it but rather to give us a standard by which to live. If you can't see this or refuse to accept this I'm sorry. EdB |
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4771 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127437 | ||
2 John verses 10 and 11 | ||||||
4772 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127438 | ||
Proverbs 23:9 | ||||||
4773 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127439 | ||
Proverbs 18:7,8 | ||||||
4774 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127441 | ||
Gal 5:22,23 proverbs 15:10, proverbs 15:21, Proverbs 15:28 | ||||||
4775 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | EdB | 135553 | ||
If I may let me respond. The question now becomes is Revelation 12:7-9 talking about past or future events? If you read verse 10 it calls Satan the accuser of the brethren. Which we know this is Satan's job and that Jesus stands as our intercessor against his accusations. Therefore Satan must still have access to heaven thus Rev 12 is talking about future events not past. Verse 9 says he and his angels fell but again we have no idea how or when these angels became 'his'. It is possible that God had assigned Satan a third of the angels before Satan's rebellion and that the angels had to go with him actually having no choice. Or it can as some suggest that Satan was able to deceive them into following him, thus they had a choice. This passage simply does not clarify the issue. EdB |
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4776 | Immoral acts | Heb 13:4 | EdB | 237687 | ||
Sis Rhonda Interesting! You answered a question asked in 2004 and gave virtually the same answer that was given then. I wonder what your reason was? |
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4777 | What do this chapter means James2? | James | EdB | 128418 | ||
Nicely done Country Girl! Most excellent! EdB |
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4778 | Who wrote the Book of James? | James 1:1 | EdB | 53184 | ||
JW1 Excuse me but there are four James in the New Testament. James the father of Judas (not Iscariot) seen in Luke 6:16 and Act 1:13. James the son of Alphaeus Matt 10:3 Mark 3:18 and Luke 6:15. James the son of Zebedee and brother of John seen in Matt 4:21 10:21 17:1 Mark 3:17 10:35 13:3 and Luke 9:54 and Acts 1:13. James the brother of Jesus (actually half brother since Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born to the Virgin Mary.). Matt 13:55 Mark 6:3 Gal 1:19 and seen in Acts 12:17 15:13-21 21:18 and Gal 2:9,12. He most probably was the writer of the Book of James. Church Tradition alone with a similarity of language used in the letter drafted by him in Acts 15:23-29 and the language found in the Book of James point to James the brother of Jesus as the author of the Book of James. EdB |
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4779 | Who wrote the Book of James? | James 1:1 | EdB | 53253 | ||
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4780 | Who wrote the book of James? | James 1:1 | EdB | 53360 | ||
Jw1 First 15:40 is talking about James the less the brother of Joses and Salome. Not the James the brother of Joses, Judas and Simon as in Mark 6:3. Different Mary different James. In the Mark 15:40 account, males were too important, Judas and Simon would never be omitted especially when writer went the trouble of naming the sister Salome Remember James, Joses, Judas and Simon were very common names much like our Dick, Bobs and Tom. Also notice in the Mark 6:3 account sisters is plural meaning there must have been more sisters again the account in Mark 15:40 only mentions one female. As to why Jesus would call to John and say behold thy mother is very simple at this time his brothers and most probably his sisters did not yet believe in Him. He entrusted to his mother to his spiritual brother for the obvious reason. There is no evidence to your theory. The fact Jesus had brothers and it was His brother James that wrote the Book of James is widely accepted and long established. Only the Catholic church denies this insisting that Mary remained a virgin. However Matt 1:25 says Joseph refrained from having consummated the marriage until after Jesus was born. EdB |
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