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4741 | How are pre-Christians made perfect? | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 114769 | ||
bstudent First let me clarify one point, your no student, a student studies he doesn't allow himself to be brain washed. Read the New Testament Jesus repeatedly warned of Hell and everlasting damnation. Jesus talked more of Hell than He did heaven. For you to make the statement you just did shows you have no regard for the Bible, the teachings of Jesus, nor honest pursuit of knowledge. EdB |
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4742 | How are pre-Christians made perfect? | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 114807 | ||
Rowdy We can't put God in a box especially a box built with human hands. God in the creation Genesis 1:3 created light before he created the Sun Genesis 1:16. A God that can do that can handle all the problems you brought up. The Bible doesn’t go into the “hows” of all of this but be sure the God of creation is more than able to make it happen. The fact we don’t have exact dimensions or a complete picture of what it will look like does not mean we should only view it figuratively. Even if God provided a snapshot of the new Heavens and New Earth the questions would still be asked. I’m guessing the verse from Peter your referring to is 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. To address your question about the oxygen needed for consummation of the earth, in the fire ball of a nuclear explosion which is a burning fire and yet contains no oxygen (the oxygen was first to burn) we see things burned completely. As comets and debris are drawn close to the sun they are consumed yet there is no oxygen in space to fuel the fire. If God is able to sustain the Sun, arrange the planets, create life such as our bodies with 60,000 miles of veins and blood vessels, create the rose, and the minds that would question Him, He is able to have a fire that will consume this earth and all that is upon it. Do I expect to see streets of Gold? I expect to dance upon streets of Gold not just see them! Why is that such a stumbling block for you? I have seen gold in sheets thin enough to be transparent film on window glass. Furthermore the God that created gold is certainly able to modify the molecular structure of Gold to make it further transparent if that was the problem. But say for an instance the streets aren’t gold as we define gold but rather a material that appears as golden yet is transparent . Is this passage then just figurative or is literally describing a the golden streets of heaven? As for food we will eat of the “Tree of Life” that will produce a different fruit each month and the leaves of the tree will be used for healing of the nations. Rev 22:2 Rowdy your questions all hinge on the scientific how to’s. If you want to ponder a natural impossibility that God has performed ponder the virgin birth. In the natural there is no way for a reproductive egg to be fertilized and the woman to remain a virgin yet that is exactly what God accomplished. If we try to limit God to our physical science we fall short of understanding God. God transcends man’s science, man’s understanding and even nature. If God so desired He could eliminate gravity and still have everything as it is, with one exception we would then question how He did it. The answer to that questions He is God! Let me address one last point. While I’m not saying this is the case, let us for the sake of this discussion say all of this does take place in the spiritual realm rather than our existing physical realm. Does that make these passages any less literal? If the spiritual realm becomes our reality and if these events takes place in that reality would that not still be a literal happening? Yes it would, the venue would have changed but the event occurred as presented. EdB |
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4743 | How are pre-Christians made perfect? | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 114843 | ||
Rowdy Your exactly right most of my comment was opinion based on our limited knowledge of God. In areas where the Bible doesn’t give specific information and we try to give specific answers it has to be based on evidence found in the Bible. I tried to show you that clearly God has transcended our knowledge of science and violated what we consider to scientific law or facts. If God was able to create light before He created the Sun, if God was able to impregnate Mary while she remained a virgin, if Jesus could past through walls and locked doors, if locked chains fell from prisoners, if dead were resurrected, if Jesus could see a man sitting under a tree without physically seeing him, if spit could open blind eyes, if a touch could cure disease then I believe there is enough evidence to say God is capable of doing all that He declared and that my friend with that kind of evidence transcend mere opinion. EdB |
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4744 | Hell in the Bible: Literal or Figurative | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 114946 | ||
Rowdy I still fail to understand what your after. If you questioning is there a hell? Then the answer is yes. Jesus spoke of hell more than He did heaven. If your questioning whether hell is physical there is actual flames and a never ending fire or spiritual there is spiritual flames and a never ending fire means little if the realm of that hell has becomes your reality. Hell could be many things but it is still reality in whatever realm it is in. It could be physical and as things burn up they regenerate and the process continues. (speculation) Or something could have had to change since fire consumes and we are told the sentence to hell is eternal. It could be you just experience burning in your mind for eternity. (speculation) Or it could be spiritual and there in the spiritual realm which we know very little of fire torments but does not consume. (speculation) Let me assure you one thing. When one is judged and their name is not found in the Lamb's Book of Life they are condemned to hell and it becomes their reality and that reality is not pleasant. You can take that to the bank. EdB |
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4745 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127123 | ||
ancient If you want context lets look at context.Hebrews 10:19-27 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, [21] and having a High Priest over the house of God, [22] let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. [23] Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. [24] And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, [25] not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. [26] For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [27] but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Read in context assembling together as in church does become a commandment, starting in verse 23 and separated as items Paul gives us a list to live by. EdB |
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4746 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127148 | ||
Anicent Okay let’s called it advice. Who is offering it? Paul through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Why? To bring us into closer relationship with Christ. Why? So we will mature in Christ. Why? So we will become servant worthy enough to hear well done good and faithful servant. If I told you not to play with my gun as it was loaded and you might discharge it. Would you call that as merely advice or would you see that as something that might convey life and death? While in the technical aspect of language it might not be considered a commandment but certainly it is more than just mere advice casually thrown out for whosoever will. I'm getting very tired of all this all you have to do to be a Christian is just believe. Baloney, Jesus very clearly said if you love me you will keep my commandments. We are called to light and salt not manby and pamby. This easy believism has infiltrated all aspects of the church. I hear over and over there is no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus. Why isn't there any? Is it because being in Christ they have no law, no standard to live by? Or is it because if they are truly in Christ Jesus they will do nothing that brings condemnation upon them. We have invented this new religion instead of serving God and walking holy before him, we instead wordsmith scripture to fit our desired life style. If anyone calls us on it we simply reply that is not how I see it and I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Fine just make sure you don't compromise yourself out of a relationship with Christ and take someone else with you. You basically said there is no commandment to attend church. Are you willing to stand before God and answer for all those that read this and took it as permission not to ever attend church? What about the parent or grandparent that has been trying to get their loved one to church and had them nearly convinced then they read your pontification on this subject? Are you prepared to have their blood upon you? People this is more than philosophical debates, scripture tells us we will give account for EVERY word we speak. EdB |
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4747 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127198 | ||
Ancient Your right we don't have to do a thing just do anything we want, live anyway we want and say anything we want and God because we have a head knowledge of Christ calls us his children. Particularly if we love everyone. Isn't that exactly what John Lennon was saying when he sang, 'All you need is love'. I think he also wanted to pretend there wasn't a heaven nor a hell. I guess we should just ignore Paul here also Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And this one 1 Peter 1:15-16 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, [16] because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy." No I think we are called to follow more than just love although everything is encompassed in love. We are expected to be Holy in conduct and worship God in spirit and in truth and not to forsake assembling together. Call it anything you want that is what scripture says. Oh yes I know that is just advice not an admonishment of the truth. I can see why you don’t want to discuss this. It exposes the roots of your theology. EdB |
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4748 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127200 | ||
Ancient Interesting you disagree with my interpretation. Sir that is not my interpretation but rather the interpretation of the church for nearly 2000 years. It is called orthodox Christianity. For 2000 years Christians have been told not to forsake the assembling together and you enlighten us by telling us this is not a commandment but rather mere advice. As if Paul was an advice columnist of the day looking to fill his column with pithy sayings. Perhaps you ascribe to the latest theory I have heard that Paul really never intended his writings to be taken as doctrine for the church, in deed he was merely responding to crisis of the day and had little or no time to think through all their ramifications. All I can say is thanks after I ripped that page out of my Bible as mere advice it is getting lighter. EdB |
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4749 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127246 | ||
Ancient First a comment by John MacArthur on your theologically sound teaching. Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling. Collective and corporate worship is a vital part of spiritual life. The warning here is against apostasy in an eschatological context (cf. 2 Thess. 2:1). The reference is to the approaching “Day” (the second coming of Christ; cf. Rom. 13:12; 1 Cor. 3:13; 1 Thess. 5:4). exhorting. Exhortation takes the form of encouragement, comfort, warning, or strengthening. There is an eschatological urgency to the exhortation which requires an increased activity as the coming of Christ approaches (cf. 3:13; cf. 1 Thess. 4:18). MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed.) (Heb 10:25-26). Nashville: Word Pub. Now your witnesses by example Matthew 12:9 Mark 1:21 Mark 3:1 Luke 4:15-16 Luke 6:6 Acts 13:14 Acts 17:2 Acts 17:10 Now the reasons for attending Exodus 23:17 Deuteronomy 12:5 Deuteronomy 16:16 2 Samuel 12:20 2 Kings 19:1 2 Kings 19:14 2 Kings 23:2 2 Chronicles 20:28 2 Chronicles 29:20 2 Chronicles 30:8 2 Chronicles 34:30 Psalm 5:7 Psalm 23:6 Psalm 42:4 Psalm 55:14 Psalm 66:13 Psalm 73:17 Psalm 84:4 Psalm 96:8 Psalm 100:4 Psalm 116:19 Psalm 122:4 Ecclesiastes 5:1 Isaiah 1:12 Isaiah 37:1 Isaiah 37:14 Isaiah 38:20 Jeremiah 26:7 Jeremiah 31:6 Micah 4:2 Luke 2:27 Luke 2:36-37 Luke 4:16 Luke 18:10 Luke 24:52-53 John 5:14 John 7:14 Acts 2:46 Acts 3:1 The Divine Command (I know it is Old Testament and you have that ripped out of your Bible since we are free of it.) Deuteronomy 12:5 Deuteronomy 16:16 Wow would you look at that there are even blessings in attending church Psalm 84:4 Psalm 122:4 Church a place of refuge from the worries of this world Isaiah 37:1 Isaiah 37:14 A place of instruction and learning but only for those that listen. Micah 4:2 Some liked church so much they never left Luke 2:36-37 Even Jesus went to church I know even though it was just a custom of Jesus we shouldn't burden ourselves with trying to follow what He did. We might become legalistic. How wrong Paul was when said imitate me as imitate Christ. Luke 4:16 Luke 18:10 Even thought he disciples followed Jesus' example we have to be careful not to do the same it might become a law and we are free from the law. Luke 24:52-53 Acts 2:46 Acts 3:1 I agree love is the important and integral part of a Christians walk but throwing every other doctrine, admonishment, “advice”, sound counsel aside in the name of freedom from the law is nonsense. We have been called to holiness, to follow Christ. These doctrines, examples, “advice”, commandments were given for our direction. While your right in the most technical of terms they are not commands, however they are far too important to our walk in Christ for us to ignore them or try to explain them away. EdB |
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4750 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127249 | ||
Ancient Was the church responsible for Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, The Papacy, Confessionals, Indulgences, and many other horrible thing as you put it or was it corrupt men that acted in the name of the church? I think this statement alone clearly gives a clear perspective of where your attitude toward the church and from where your coming from. The church is no longer the Church of Jesus Christ but painted as you have it is church of human oppression putting people into bondage, slavery and even death. It is not place of worship to worship God but a place of murder and corruption. Interesting paint your using. Sir you said "If not for Martin Luther standing in defiance to the Roman Catholic Church, you wouldn't have the spiritual opportunities you have today. Sometimes you have to question what has been taught. The Spirit is our guide, not orthodoxy." I submit if a spirit told you that church was not mandatory to the Christian walk you need to change the spirit your listening to. Love without restraint quickly runs amuck. We saw it first hand has parents under the tutorage of many so called experts loved their children into monsters of society morally bankrupt, believing society owes them a living, and living under of the code if it does not harm then it is okay. We have seen it in every society of history. ITS CALLED HUMANISM! Love must be accompanied with moral, integrity, values, standards, precepts, conditions, rules, laws, and commandments. I have learned in church to defend against apostasy. When someone comes to a Christian forum and denies church attendance is essential to the Christian walk I call it for what it is Baloney. If that insults you I’m sorry but I call it as I see it. You talk about my pride my arrogance. It is not me standing outside of orthodoxy saying your all wrong! I know the correct answer! And if you follow me I will lead you to the truth! Since you have come to the forum that has been your attitude that you were just a little better informed a little better studied, and little wiser, a little bit more in the know. Yet you have been repeatedly basically talking through your hat. Now that may not be the kindness way of stating it but I think when someone calls you prideful and arrogant it is time to call a spade a spade. EdB |
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4751 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127252 | ||
Doc Right on! Good pick up. Read post #127212 in it Ancient blames Chrsitianity for and I quote, "Christianity over the course of the last 2000 years is also responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, The Papacy, Confessionals, Indulgences, and many other horrible things. Just because they taught it doesn't mean they taught the right thing. Orthodox Christianity has murdered, stolen, molested, raped, falsely accused, tortured, and enslaved." I think that clearly shows there is something fundamentally amiss in this person. EdB |
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4752 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127253 | ||
Ancient I insulted you???? What about this statement you made, "Christianity over the course of the last 2000 years is also responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, The Papacy, Confessionals, Indulgences, and many other horrible things. Just because they taught it doesn't mean they taught the right thing. Orthodox Christianity has murdered, stolen, molested, raped, falsely accused, tortured, and enslaved." As a Christian that is far more insulting to me than anything I have could have ever said to you. Your basically saying Christianity advocates murder, rape, pillage and mayhem. That is an insult to every Christian, to every church, to every Bible believing person that has, is or will ever live. There have been 75 million Christians slaughtered because they believed in Christ, and hundred millions more enslaved and abused. For you to say what you did is insult to everyone of them. It is also an insult to think the readers of this forum are so ignorant of the truth that they would believe such outlandish nonsense. Frankly it sounds just like a sound byte taken from Atheists Unite. |
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4753 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127269 | ||
Ancient Once again you speak of things you know nothing about. I think you need to revisit the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades to find out what exactly they were about. As far as a Salem witch trials which are mostly myth they had nothing to do with the church. As for the other problems you claim are the result of orthodoxy I will let someone from the catholic persuasion address your inaccuracies. As for this problem we have with Hebrew 10:25 it goes beyond my interpretation and yours. You said it is not a commandment therefore is optional. I’m saying very little of the New Testament is given as a commandment but none of it is optional. You said love covers all. I agree love is very important but love without morals, integrity, standard, precepts and commandments can quickly become corrupted. Love it the power the New Testament doctrines, advice as you call them, commandments to servant of Jesus are what gives that power direction. You said church is optional that some people need it but there are others that may feel they don’t and that is okay. Church and the worship of God is not optional and The reason is given right here in the Hebrews 10:25. We need to come together to build each other up to stir each other to better works. We are called to be our brothers keeper, how do we do this if were are not actively involved with them as in church? We can’t ! You said I’m attacking you yet did I call you arrogant, or prideful? Did I imply your doctrine was the reason people were killed in crusades, inquisitions? I’m not attacking you I’m attacking the doctrine you expounding. Your in effect saying if we do it in love we can justify most anything, from staying home from church to calling people whatever. You said I’m trying to make you say I’m right and your wrong, however it was I that conceded the fact that you were right going to church as stated in Hebrews 10:25 was not a commandment as such but rather an admonishment made for our good and that if we really wanted to serve Christ something we would do. You accuse me a not reading what you say. You say many things and in fact you have written more than four times what I have on this subject, yet you miss the most important part of the whole thread. That is the question is the words, actions and deeds recorded in the New Testament there as just a historical accountings of what took place or are they set down so we can duplicate, imitate and follow them as examples of Christian living. Jesus said pick up your cross and follow him, did he attend church? Yes! Paul said imitate me as I imitate Christ did he attend church? Yes! Yet you claim it as optional. I say it certainly in not optional. EdB |
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4754 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127270 | ||
Ancient Am I harassing you or demonstating how your doctrine does not conform to New Testament teaching? If it is harrassment I apologize. If it is correcting incorrect teaching I say that is what every Christian is called to do. EdB |
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4755 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127271 | ||
Doc Once again you speak with wisdom. However I do find it interesting that one that claims to be a Christian in one breath will turn around in the next and lay some of the worst crimes committed in history at the feet of it and say see here is what you get for following orthodoxy. I guess we should say we should disband all denominations because of Jim Jones, David Koresh and a few other bad apples. EdB |
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4756 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127280 | ||
Ancient I have never called you atheistic, a humanist nor heretical. I have said you are parroting their favorite line and I wonder why? Once again I do not think you will go to hell if you don't go to church. And I certainly won't put someone that misses church in the same class as a murder. However I do see us be told we should attend church. I see the law not as something that will decide my eternity but rather as a standard to live by. Somehow that concept seems to get lost on you. You either want to ignore the Law or say our salvation hinges on the Law. I say it is neither. Our trust and belief in Jesus Christ assures our eternity. However the Law or whatever you want to call it, I call it the entire Bible is to give us guidance by which to live by. Do we have to go to church? Yes we do. Will it effect our salvation? It may but not directly however by staying out of church we can turn from God. That brings me to the real point of my discussion, I do not believe an honest born again believer would stay out of church, nor do I believe they would excuse others from doing so. As a true Christian our attitude should be as expressed in Psalm 122:1 I was glad when they said to me, "Let us go into the house of the Lord." Your attitude on this disturbs me . You blame the church and Christianity for things that any true believer would know are simply not true. You say I chase after you. I say I follow after you correcting your incorrect teaching. You say I’m assuming I’m right no that is not it at all. I stand on orthodoxy and what the church fathers down through the ages have said is right. It has nothing to do with me or you. We are discussing basic precepts of Christianity and is one of those precepts church attendance or not. I say it is, and I stand in the company of many others that agree. You say church attendance is optional and the admonishments considered by many as basic church precepts are really misinterpretations and that there is no direction given in the New Testament on this account. To me that prideful to the point of saying everyone else is wrong and you and you alone have the handle on the truth. You say I’m full of myself, how by standing on age old doctrine? I fail to see you point EdB |
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4757 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127282 | ||
Ancient Once again you argue over what is a commandment, how is stated, what parameters does it contain. Let me ask you a simple question why did God give us the Bible. Was it not for instructions for life? Let me address one point you brought up point 9. what can we accomplish at church was can't at home. How about compassion for one another? How about accountability to one another? How about edifying and encouraging and exhorting one another? How about being committed enough to put into deeds what we often pay lip service too. You come back to love and again I say I understand the importance of love but I also understand that God loved us enough to have his faithful men and women set down His Word before us. When my human father gave me advice I followed it. The older I got and more mature I got the more I was willing to follow it. When I was a child my father commanded me to bathe. As I got older it was no longer a ‘command’ but rather an admonishment I would follow. However I imagine if I never bathed he would sooner or later demand I did. God wrote the Old Testament to people that didn't know and love him through adoption as children. He therefore wrote in a commanding way. However in the New Testament we are sons and daughters and hopefully have matured enough in our walk with God to take his advice as though it were a commandment. You keep going back to salvation on this issue and I have repeatedly said I don't believe our salvation directly hinges on whether or not we go to church. However I think our willingness to accept an admonishment from God as though it were a command does speak of our relationship with God. The thing that really amazes me is each time I talk to someone that does not attend church they give me your points 1 through 10. However once they get in church and find a loving Savior they never give those arguments again. Your point 10 “What thing makes you believe that going to church is a commandment when loving your neighbor, in truth not word, fulfills the law regardless of going to church?” I guess if I was looking only to fulfill the law I might say love is enough, however if I was looking to do what my Lord and Master has asked of me I would keep the rest of the Bible. However I don’t look at church attendance as requirement but rather a privilege and privilege that only a Christian can truly appreciate and enjoy. EdB |
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4758 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127296 | ||
Doc How did I misrepresent you? I complimented you on your wisdom. The last paragraph, which represents another thought, in my post was not directed at you. But rather another individual that seems to want to blame the church for nearly every hideous act committed in the name of the church. It is as you said not the church or Christianity but rather the fault of the unholy triangle of the flesh, the devil, and the world system. I totally agree with this comment, "Ultimately, these crimes you mention were not committed by the orthodox faithful, but by the politically established heterodoxical organizations." I hope we are clear on this. I still fail to see how you got I was misrepresenting you from anything I said. I wish you would share with me how you got that perception so I can be more careful in the future. EdB |
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4759 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127299 | ||
Ancient First you asked questions to bring the discussion to the point you want to arrive at, for me or anyone else to play into that is very unwise. Your questions also are asked in such a way that any answer than the one you want makes me look the buffoon and I’m sure you have already thought up your responses should I answer the way you anticipate. Let me just ask you something, doesn’t this following statement even make you think there might be a problem in the ideas you arrive at? Your statement, “You are correct in saying that I don't really care about orthodox Christianity. Being age old tradition doesn't make it right. The scriptures say what they say, and tradition is wrong on many points. I see something many don't see. Maybe that makes me wrong. Maybe that makes me special. Who knows which.” Then you threaten unless I play on your terms your not going to discuss this anymore. What about the terms of this forum. You have said church attendance is optional, I’m glad our forefathers thought different or I’m afraid there wouldn’t be a church today. You have laid rape, murder and mayhem not on corrupt men within the church but rather on the church itself. And you have presented a case where unless God states a commandment in New Testament using the same format as He used in the Old Testament it is really not a commandment but rather mere advice which then can be heeded or dismissed as the reader chooses. Sir I state these actions violate the rules of this fourm and are an insult to every Christian EdB |
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4760 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127311 | ||
Ancient If someone asks the question, "are you stll beating you wife?" What do you answer? No, oh then you once did beat your wife but you have now stopped. Or yes and make yourself out as an abuser. This is the same type of question you asked. If I say no I'm wrong and if I say yes I'm wrong. Do you really think that proves anything? Do you think that is being objective? I really don't care to teach you I just want you not to lead others down your path. Ancient you said, "... "orthodox" "Christians" tortured, maimed, and murdered those that refused to adhere to the "orthodox" teaching of the church. I say no that wasn't orthodox Chrsitians I say it was men that claimed to be God service but had nothing to do with Him. The rest of the chruch thought so also. Perhaps you need to more on church history. Now I'm a robot because I accept the teaching of the church fathers? Who do you believe? Only yourself? You said, "Half of what I came up with was arrived at before learning orthodox doctrines. Upon hearing those orthodox doctrines and seeing what they were made of, I knew the holes immediately." I think your proving my point here. You say, "Now, you're right about requiring you to play on my terms. This is not about your opinion, and brow beating me into compliance. We will discuss this topic according to all available evidence, and explore it objectively, or we are doing nothing more than discussing your opinion. So answer the questions, drop the subject, or concede." I say no you won't discuss this considering the all evidence you dismiss the evidence you don't like. Mocking it calling it being a robot etc. EdB |
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