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4721 | Losing our salvation | Heb 10:26 | EdB | 87160 | ||
I have a basic problem with the whole line of thought. Either people are looking of insurance so they can sin. I'm always tempted to ask them what they have in mind when I hear people discussing this :-). Another reason could be that it makes them happy to think someone could reject God. Why else would we care if we can lose our salvation? I for one certainly don't intend to find out. EdB |
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4722 | Losing our salvation | Heb 10:26 | EdB | 87271 | ||
Ecargneb Understand salvation process is nothing short of a miracle, in fact it is the greatest miracle we will ever see. The Bible tells us we have salvation in Christ Jesus as we believe and trust in Him, making him Lord of our lives. The Bible also says no one can remove us from His hand that no one can steal our salvation. In other places the it says if we are saved and continue to sin we can lose our salvation. To me it is clear, to others not. As I read it, it clearly says as long as we trust in Christ Jesus for our salvation it is secure. However once we stop trusting our salvation can be lost. In other words our salvation is based on our relationship with Jesus once we break that relationship we have nothing. Can a truely saved person do this? I don't see why he would want too, but evidently it is possible. EdB |
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4723 | Losing our salvation | Heb 10:26 | EdB | 87294 | ||
Ecargneb Of course repentance is needed. I was not furnishing a list of requirements needed for salvation. I assumed the need for repentance was understood both of us. I was merely trying to show that our salvation is secure as long as we remain in relationship with Christ. EdB |
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4724 | Losing our salvation | Heb 10:26 | EdB | 87309 | ||
No problem EdB |
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4725 | What exactly does this passage mean? | Heb 10:26 | EdB | 239301 | ||
Let me add that Hebrews 10:26 says there is no longer remains a sacrifice. Since we know the Sacrifice of Christ is eternal there has to be more to it. The only reason it would not remain is if the person in question was saved and mocked the sacrifice as useless. The implication is the person was at one time depending on the sacrifice of Christ on the cross for his salvation. Also the use of the word "WE". The writer is obviously a believer and is including himself in the admonishment by using the word "WE". This implies he is talking to Christians and not unsaved individuals. |
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4726 | What exactly does this passage mean? | Heb 10:26 | EdB | 239313 | ||
The post in question was just bringing up points that seemed to get lost in the discussion. Many times when a verse is discussed the actual wording of the verse gets overshadowed but other verses and contrasting opinions. |
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4727 | Truth of the requirement of holiness | Heb 10:26 | EdB | 243808 | ||
Confirmation of the truth found in scripture not the writings of man. | ||||||
4728 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | EdB | 66826 | ||
Graceful I have read what you stated today about faith in this and two other threads and it was excellent. You have a sound understanding of faith and your able to explain it. I'm however in a quandary to understand, how someone that has your understanding of faith defends a teaching that teaches in opposition to what you just said? A week or two ago you were defending WOF and their teaching runs counter to the excellent explanations of faith you gave today. I wonder how this can be? Please this in no way is meant to attack you, insult you, or to start an argument. If you look in my profile you will see I have a love of Biblical apologetics. Because of that interest I’m truly curious how you having such orthodox understanding of faith still supports a teaching that runs counter to it. Please help me understand. Again your explanations on faith were excellent, and I hope we can dialogue on this to help me understand. EdB |
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4729 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | EdB | 66836 | ||
Graceful Last time we talked you used the word obligated, as in if we do thus and such that God was obligated, yet this time you talk of God sovereignty and will. I think it is these subtle little things that are making the difference. I know Copeland’s teaching very well and he teaches God is obligated to our faith when in fact God is obligated to nothing, he has given us everything including the faith we are trying to obligate him with. Nowhere in scripture does it suggest our faith will override God’s will yet that is exactly what WOF teaches. Do you believe God has to do anything, like heal you if you have enough faith? Do you think your faith can force God to change His will. Do we always know God’s will? Why do you think Job had all his problems? Was it a lack of faith? Because of sin? Maybe your answer to these questions will answer my confusion. EdB |
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4730 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | EdB | 67373 | ||
Graceful Thank you for your definitions and the scripture that attest to them, we will use these as we proceed. One word you didn't touch and needs to be explained is conditional. Conditional - Imposing or depending on, or containing a condition or conditions. Most of God promises are conditional based on conditions God has established such as, (since everyone so relishes proof text rather than looking at the whole intent of the word of God I will provide proof texts) God's purpose, Job 42:2 "I know that You can do all things, And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted. God's timing, Psalm 69:13 But as for me, my prayer is to You, O LORD, at an acceptable time; O God, in the greatness of Your lovingkindness, Answer me with Your saving truth. Eccles. 3:1 There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven— Eccles. 3:11 He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end. God's desire, Psalm 135:6 Whatever the LORD pleases, He does, In heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps. Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. Our best interest, Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. Our belief, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. another promise made by God, Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us. a particular people or nation. 1 Kings 8:56 "Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel, according to all that He promised; not one word has failed of all His good promise, which He promised through Moses His servant. I think it is these conditions that are that many times ignored and raises the problems we discuss. Things like our best interest. We can’t begin to know what is good for us only God does and He has promised not to violate our best interest. So when something does or does not occur it in not only because of our desire or faith but because of God promise to make all things happen to our best interest. This is probably the most common promise violated by the Word of Faith formula, the violation that something has to occur because we have faith in it even if it would not be in our best interest. Awaiting you further response to my questions. EdB |
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4731 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | EdB | 67402 | ||
Graceful Yes basically we are on the same page. And yes faith is vital in our walk with God. I think we are getting to where we have a problem. Knowing God's will, timing, desire, and plans. Many times God will reveal these to us. Other times not and this is where the Word of Faith formula fails. Faith alone is not enough to secure God promise if God has another plan for us. Word of Faith assumes our desires are God's desire, our plans are God's plan, will are God's will, our logic is God's logic, our way is God's way and that is not always the case. And rarely if ever do they consider how our desires will effect others, God's purpose or God's timing. However, up to this point we are walking the same walk. I will await your further comments. In Christ's love EdB |
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4732 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | EdB | 67446 | ||
Mbooker I imagine you pray in the Holy Spirit at times do you not? Why? Doesn't the word say there are times we don't know what to pray but the Spirit does? God does not always reveal His will to us. Many times if we knew and understood God's will and purpose we would be so overcome we would not be able to function. The passage you quoted Romans 12:2 when not proof texted but taken in context is telling us we have a call of dedicated service upon our lives. We are called to righteousness and holiness and we should allow the gifts of grace manifest through us and in us. It really isn't saying we will know God's will in all situations. Read context remember text taken out of context becomes pretext and nobody wants to do that. EdB |
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4733 | Operate on faith or endure? | Heb 11:1 | EdB | 67480 | ||
Mbooker Exactly if you don't know the will of God you pray in the Spirit. In other words you are saying "Thy will be done". Which is exactly what Word of Faith teaches to be error. They claim the problem is not, not knowing God's will but rather a lack of faith to secure what they presume God's will to be. That is a problem. If we know God's will, we exercise our faith until we see what ever it is accomplished in our lives. If we don't know God's will we should again exercise our faith trusting that God will make all things work to our good. That is biblical faith! Word of Faith, faith teaches you decide what it is you need and you have faith until you get it. If you don’t get it you either didn’t have enough faith or you had unconfessed sin in your life. I used the example of a car breaking down and someone not having a way to work. WOF teaches you should have faith for a new car, in fact some of the more visible WOF teachers teach you should claim a Lexus and even walk around it claiming it yours. The problem is God may just want you to hitch a ride with a unsaved coworker using the time to build a relationship and being able to testify to what Jesus has done in your life. Thus leading them to the Lord. See this option isn’t even given in WOF teaching they teach and people believe God wants you wealthy, healthy and without problems. They deny the righteous face many troubles, yet that is exactly what God says in Psalm 34:19 where it also says God will delivers them from them. Yes we can and in many cases do I know the will of God and when we do we should exercise our faith to see them accomplished in our lives. However there are times when God does not reveal His will or gives us a complete picture. In those cases we still need faith, faith in God that He knows what He is doing and whatever it is it will work to our best interest. Be Blessed and be a Blessing EdB |
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4734 | Did Enoch die? | Heb 11:13 | EdB | 232515 | ||
But if accept that understanding we must then handle the apparent contradiction now created with John 3. Also we must handle the the contradiction with Hebrews 9:27 (NASB) 27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, It seems with your interpretation of scripture we are confronted with one contradiction after another. |
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4735 | Did Enoch die? | Heb 11:13 | EdB | 232547 | ||
Bradk Did you read the three part quote I posted in post # 232472, 232474, 232475? If you haven't read them please do. I would like to hear your response in light of what that article said. Ed |
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4736 | Did Enoch die? | Heb 11:13 | EdB | 232581 | ||
Bradk I tend to agree with you but I have some exceptions to what you said. First I notice you do not address the issue of Elijah which I think this article had the stronger argument. Second you asked what made them authoritative. That is a question we can ask of anyone in today’s arena. At one time a person could stand before us and be considered authority because he knew something we didn't. However today with the internet we are seeing that even the most authoritative of the authoritative is just an opinion that some will support and others won't. That said I try to establish authority in scripture and consider the rest conjecture. Which brings us back to the original language and "ayin" that has a defined meaning of “there is not, non-existence” Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary - The Complete Biblical Library Hebrew-English Dictionary – Aleph-Beth. While you are correct context does decide the exact meaning of “ayin” it means more than someone isn’t around anymore, it much stronger word than that. In this case it implies they no longer exist. I think the article makes strong points and while we might not totally agree with it we must consider its point. That leads us to the question what effect theologically does Genesis 5:24 really have on us? If Enoch was taken directly to heaven we have the problem of a mortal being walking in the place of immortality. If he was translated from mortal to immortal then He in effect went through the same process of all that die in Christ will do. If he is only spiritually taken then again we have basically the same process we as Christians are told to expect, when Paul told us absent from the body is present with the Lord. If we are using Enoch’s lack of death as conjecture for saying he is one of the two witnesses of Rev 11:3 there are more problems with that, than what really took place in Gen 5:24. I guess what I'm saying is this subject is often debated, preached and etc but other than the fact it happened has little effect on us. |
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4737 | A "Better" Resurrection? | Heb 11:35 | EdB | 68163 | ||
Makarios Yes it is an interesting verse. Thank you for your kind words. Blessings to you and yours EdB |
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4738 | How are pre-Christians made perfect? | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 114696 | ||
Rowdy I disagree the scripture are fairly clear on this. Rather than me doing all the leg work and getting all the verses let me suggest you read some past threads on this issue. Do a search on Jesus and hell, Abraham's bosom, paradise, or hades. I think you will see there are enough scriptures that we can piece together a pretty accurate picture of what and how this took place. EdB |
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4739 | How are pre-Christians made perfect? | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 114767 | ||
bstudent First let me calrify one point, your no student, a student studies he doesn't allow himself to be brain washed. Read the New Testament Jesus repeatedly warned of Hell and everlasting damnation. Jesus talked more of Hell than He did heaven. For you to make the statement you just did shows you have no regard for the Bible, the teachings of Jesus, nor honest pursuit of knowledge. EdB |
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4740 | How are pre-Christians made perfect? | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 114768 | ||
Rowdy Yes I think Revelation and Isaiah does use figurative language to some extent but to declare both books void of literal meaning is wrong. In Revelation chapter 20-22 we see a description of the Lake of Fire. That description is very literal and I see no reason to assume it be figurative. Also in those chapters we see a description of the New Heaven and New Earth along with the city New Jerusalem. Again those verses are to be taken literally not as figurative descriptions of events. There is a rule of exegsis, that being "Take all prophecy literally unless it is clear that you can't have a literal meaning. Then get the literal truth conveyed by the figurative language." In cited passages I see no problem with taking the descriptions literal do you? EdB |
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