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41 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243480 | ||
Perhaps I should ask what does Hebews 6:4-6 say to you. | ||||||
42 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243483 | ||
How is a person enlightened? How have they tasted of heavenly fruit? How are par takers of the Holy Spirit? How have they tasted the good word and the power to come? Unless they are saved? How is possible renew unless one was already once in repentance? |
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43 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243486 | ||
I agree this is exactly the reason the SBF is not being used. I think we were having a good discussion. Nothing nasty or unsettling! | ||||||
44 | Dr. S. Franklin Logsdon | Bible general | EdB | 243554 | ||
In case there is any confusion the ESV English Standard Version and NASB New American Standard Bible are not connected. I believe the reference to ESV was a mistake. I consider the NASB to be superior to the ESV which is has strong Reformed Theological leanings. |
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45 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243632 | ||
There is more than enlightened mentioned here. Enlightened,tasted the heavenly gift, partakers of the Holy Spirit. Have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come. If that doesn't sound like a saved person I would like to know how a person that has experienced all these things without being saved is possible. To be a partaker of the Holy Spirit certainly talks of a saved person, unless you believe Holy and unholy can share the same house. How does a unsaved person taste the good word of God? |
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46 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243634 | ||
Yes let us keep the passage before us. Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB) 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. It starts out saying it is impossible for someone to be renewed AGAIN to repentance. The use of the word again insists they were once there. Who is that someone again the passage clearly defines them as someone that has tasted of the heavenly gift, has been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, has tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come. Yes I am saying to have all of traits used define someone is saying that person is saved. You need to prove someone can be described this way and not be saved. What is the heavenly gift? Unless you can provide scripture to show the heavenly gift is something other than salvation it is conclusive that the person is saved. What is a partaker of the Holy Spirit? Unless you can prove the Holy Spirit will reside with an unclean spirit there is no way not to declare this person saved. What is tasted the good word of God? Provide proof that someone can drink of the good word of God and not be saved. To have all three active in ones life is saying that person is without a doubt saved. If you don’t think so prove proof of your position. Scripture then says have fallen away. You must be some place to fall away. That place is then defined, renew them AGAIN to repentance. Notice it says “again†this is saying they once were that the place of repentance. Provide scripture to show a person can be in true repentance and not saved. Then it explains why, because to do so would require Christ to be put on the Cross once again, saying the first time they accepted salvation has passed, Christ would have to die again. The language and wording of this passage is clearly speaking of a saved individual and to disagree would require you to prove an unsaved person could be described this way and not be saved. |
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47 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243635 | ||
Here is the response to this question made by Tim Moran our once resident original language expert in Post number 24759 Consider the following: 1) The first term in Heb. 6:4 desribes the person as being enlightened. The word is 'photizo'. This word is used again in Heb. 10:32 where it says, " Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering." These people are also described in Heb. 10:39 as, " But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved." So, I think this could definitely be a term describing true salvation and not just intellectual assent to the Gospel. 2) The person described in 6:4 is also said to have tasted of the Heavenly Gift. It can be debated what the Heavenly Gift is, but the word tasted means to participate in fully. For instance, this word is used in Heb. 2:9, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Whatever the Heavenly Gift is, the person described took part fully. 3) The person in Heb. 6:4 is described as one who as "shared in the Holy Spirit." Can an unbeliever be described as someone who has shared in the Holy Spirit, especially in light of 2 Cor. 6:14, where 'metochos' (the same word translated as shared in Heb. 6:4) is used to describe the lack of a relationship between righteousness and unrighteousness? Futher, this word is used several other times in Hebrews. Heb. 3:1 talks about "sharing in the Heavenly calling." Heb. 3:14 talks about "sharing in Christ." I really don't see how these terms could describe a non-Christian! |
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48 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | EdB | 243784 | ||
Interesting discussion. 2 Cor 11:3-4 seems to suggest that possession of a believer is possible. I think the question then becomes what is a Christian? Is it a name only or does it require a person to close all entrances to their being except that which is opened only by Christ? Wow seems like Christians have a lot to do. |
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49 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | EdB | 243788 | ||
Sorry I was that I was not clear. My question was, what defines a Christian the name or a behavior within them or the fact they have closed all e trances into their being except those that Christ Himself opens. To clarify I believe there actions both Christians and non Christian can do that give Satan access into their lives. I am not talk about sinning as such but rather things that open our spirit being to attack. Example while messing with the occult is sin it also opens our being giving entrance to Satan. Likewise consulting a medium, tarot card readings, ouija boards, drugs, alcohol, and so forth. I believe to truly be a Christians we must be active in protecting the portals of our mind giving access to only to the things of God. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. |
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50 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | EdB | 243792 | ||
2 Cor 11:4, An example Lev 19:31, lev 20 :6 | ||||||
51 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | EdB | 243796 | ||
In an effort to help make what I'm trying to say more clear to you, I need for you to tell me what you understand these passages to be saying. It appears clear to me but evidently not to you, so please explain to me what these passages are saying to you and I think it can help clear up this confusion |
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52 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | EdB | 243798 | ||
Beja Okay a starting place. I think we all agree that Christians should not intentionally sin, more over sin of any kind gives Satan and the consequences of that sin an opportunity to destroy us. The question was posed can a Christian be demon possessed. My initial reaction and perhaps I should have stayed there, was no a Christian can not be demon possessed, only demon oppressed. However I think it was you that made the statement that you were not sure a Christian can not be demon possessed and that got me researching. The first scripture I came to was Leviticus 19:31 (NKJV) 31 'Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. The word defiled jumped out at me. Admittedly this is not speaking to Christians but rather to faithful followers of God. It says don’t open yourself to mediums or familiar(demonic) spirits lest you become defiled by them. Implication here is this opens a door to demonic possession. To me Leviticus 20:6 (NKJV) 6 'And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people. Reinforces my take away of Lev 19:4. The second verse then referenced was 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (NASB) 3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. Admittedly I gave the wrong reference in my last post to you, sorry! In the verse depending on translation say different or another. Which implies the audience already has received a spirit. Since this verse is talking to Christians and says you can receive a different or another spirit other from a different or profane gospel. Implication here is that a Christian can receive ungodly or false spirits (demons?). As to drugs, alcohol and other sin we see in 1 Peter 5:8-9 (NKJV) 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. We are to be sober and vigilant. I think we all can agree we are not totally sober nor can we be vigilant we are involved in drugs, alcohol, or other forms of addiction and sin. It further warns us that Satan is walking about seeking. While it does not specifically say in so many words I interpret this as giving an opening to Satan to come in and destroy our lives. Here again I think we can all agree that demon possession would probably ruin our lives. I believe we have portals to our spirit mind. Our ears, our ears, our physical minds, these I believe must be guarded as Paul admonished us in Philippians 4:8-9 (NKJV) 8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you. Interestingly the verse before this Philippians 4:6-7 (NKJV) 6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Suggests that the peace of God guards our heart and minds through Christ Jesus. Again if your heart and minds are not on Christ Jesus the implication to me is we have opened ourselves for an attack from Satan. To clarify something that may have been misunderstood, I never meant to suggest that only certain sins opened us to demonic attack but that there were some listed specifically that to me implies they become gateways for demons. Like messing with the occult, familiar spirits, mediums, drugs, alcohol, addictions of any kind. I hope that explains or clarifies my position. I am still not totally convinced that a Christian can be demon possessed but I am not so positive that it can’t happen that I would not consider the possibility. That is something that in the past I would have never considered. |
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53 | will suiside send you to hell | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226106 | ||
Suicide. No special law is found against this crime, for it is included in the prohibition against killing. Contrary to the practice and the philosophy of paganism, the act was held in deep abhorrence by the Hebrews because of the high value placed on human life. It was held inexcusable that any but the most degraded and satanic should lay hands on their own lives. Only the remorse of the damned could drive one to it, as witness Saul (1 Samuel 31:4) and Judas (Matthew 27:5). Frank E. Hirsch, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, ed. James Orr (Chicago: Howard-Severance Co., 1915), s.v. “CRIME; CRIMES,” WORDsearch CROSS e-book. Suicide by definition is the murder of oneself. Exodus 20:13 (NASB) 13 "You shall not murder. Now to me there is something very telling in your account above. You said you didn't think about Jesus you only thought about your situation. Again I come back to my original comment suicide is based on a feeling of hopelessness and a person that has true faith in Christ isn't hopeless. You said you knew Jesus but you weren't thinking about him. I think what you had was head knowledge of Jesus but you hadn't yet given yourself fully to Him or Jesus would have been on your mind. Again I'm saying this from someone that has never been in that situation, however I do know that once you are fully and truly in Christ He does inhabit your thoughts. I wish I could produce scripture that says thou shall not commit suicide but as noted above it isn't in scripture. |
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54 | will suiside send you to hell | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226148 | ||
If you asking me or anyone else to play God and pronounce where this person or that person is spending eternity we simply can't do that. But it isn't we really don't know situation as much as here is what we do know. We know someone that is really in Christ isn't going to murder, likewise they aren't going to commit suicide as suicide is murdering oneself. We also know that suicide is done out of hopelessness and again someone that is truly in Christ isn't hopeless because Christ is their hope. But we must be ever mindful, scripture tells us only God is able to see our true hearts. |
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55 | will suiside send you to hell | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226151 | ||
You and I both know that is a theological question has been batted back and forth for thousands of years. The question really is will a truly saved person willfully and intentionally commit a sinful act from which they have no recourse? I don't think so, but again we humans are funny people. What we are discussing is far different than losing our temper and calling someone a fool. Be that as it may I'm told suicide is an act of hopelessness and I fail to see how a person that is truly in Christ can feel hopeless. To me that is an oxymoron. |
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56 | Should christians celebrate Valentine? | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226214 | ||
Actually Valentines Day was to honor a martyr a cleric named Valentine and was celebrated by all Christians since the Catholic Church was the only church at the time. It wasn't until the Reformation about 1200 years later that the division between Catholic and Protestant was made. Valentine was a Christian martyr that got on the wrong side of Rome by holding Christian weddings. He was interrogated by the Caesar Claudius and tried to convert Claudius which infuriated Claudius to condemn Valentine to death. Before his execution he prayed for the jailer’s daughter who was blind and it is said God healed her. It was these two acts, acts of love; one of bringing people together in marriage and the other praying for someone while being readied to execution that is why the Christian church chose to honor him. |
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57 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226247 | ||
Is Abraham's bosom empty or not? When we die do we go to Hades as we did before Christ or do we go to into His presence. If you say it is empty then someone had to empty it. I believe the Apostle's creed (thus the teachng of the early church) more or less confirms it was done by Jesus. Or do you think Luke 16:19-31 is made up to fit a parable? Howevere that becomes problematic since the Jews believed this before Jesus told the parable. I fail to believe Jesus would mislead them by using something they believed if it weren't true. So I fail to understand what you question? |
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58 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226249 | ||
Luke 16:19-31 definitely teaches a separation in Hell(hades) as does the Jewish Talmud and oral traditions. The Old Testament righteous definitely died looking for and trusting their Messiah but to think that alone saved them negates Jesus' proclaimation that He alone was the door. To enter through a door the door must exist and while Jesus is eternal the door he provided did not exist until the second covenant came into being. The early church believed Jesus went to Hell(hades) as evidenced by the Apostles creed. Now we realize the early church fathers weren't scripture but if we discount their teaching then we have to question why Jesus ever commissioned teachers. Paul was a teacher first and scripture writter second. Now if we accept Paul's teaching that those that died after Christ go into the presence of the Lord then we have to believe the righteous dead of the Old Testament had to have some kind of entrance into heaven. If they were in Abraham's bosom at the time Jesus told Luke 16:19-31 then we have to believe someone led them to heaven. I don't see any way to ignore Luke 16:19-31 I can't believe Jesus would virtually repeat the Jewish teaching on Hades if it weren't true. To the Jew they would have to take it as being a confirmation of what they already believed. |
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59 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226253 | ||
I guess if you are going to summarily discount the Talmud and Jewish oral tradition that agrees with the desciption of Hades found in Luke 16:19-31 because they are from uninspired writers any further discussion on the subject is pointless. As for preexisting thoughts I never had any on the subject I viewed Luke 16 as a parable and never looked for any reality to confirm or deny it. I was doing research on Jewish teaching, in particular their view of death and eternity, it was from this research I began to understand their belief on the matter. I was then startled to learn that this newly discovered (by me) Jewish concept of Hades actually paralleled exactly Luke 16:19-31. So call it what you want but don't try to blame it on preexisting thoughts. I can definitively say I had absolutely none on this subject when I entered into this research. Have a great day. |
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60 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226264 | ||
Beja I'm sorry I hadn't notice any exegesis of Luke 16. I only saw you making statements about things that neither the Jewish Talmud, Luke 16 nor I said. Hades by both the Jewish Talmud and oral tradition is seen as a spiritual reality not some place under the ground as you suggest. I wonder who is speaking from pre existing thoughts? Also the Jews call the place Abraham's bosom Jesus called it paradise (today you will be with me in paradise)which fits the description of Lazarus seen in Abraham's bosom. How does a man get into the bosom of a another? Unless of course it is the name of a place rather than a description of a physical position of the man. As for teaching young Christians something that is off beat, is it not you who claims the Old Testament Saints entered heaven contrary to Jesus' clear edict that to do so you must pass through Him, and that door the Second or New Covenant was not opened yet? Let us be reasonable and hopefully civil about this, it is obvious to all that neither of us are going to change the others mind on the matter. Let us move on. God's richest blessings to you. |
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