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4621 | Are new worship songs scripturally OK? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 23011 | ||
Kalos Preach it brother and then go to 2 Peter 2:10-14 "and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, [11] whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. [12] But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, [13] suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you, [14] having eyes full of adultery and that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;" See Kalos we do agree from time to time :-) Be Blessed my Brother Ed |
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4622 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 23001 | ||
Kalos I can pretty much buy into your sequence with one change, by the way I read most of the site you refered me to and I don't have a problem with it. I kind of view the mid trib rapture as pre wrath. The change is I still think you have your sequence out whack I think it should look like this. With Christ's return after the wrath of God is poured out on this earth. OLIVET DISCOURSE -- Matthew 24 Combined Sequence of Events WARNING to God's elect. Matthew 24:4. FALSE CHRISTS. 24:5. WARS. 24:6. FAMINES. 24:7. THE GREAT TRIBULATION. 24:9,21. --Against God's Elect. 24:21. --Death. 24:9,22. --Apostasy. 24:10,24. SIGN OF THE END OF THE AGE. Sun, Moon and Stars. 24:29. SIGN OF CHRIST'S COMING. Like Lightning. 24:30,27. THE DELIVERANCE OF CHRIST'S ELECT. The Rapture. 24:13,31. THE WRATH OF GOD. 24:14, 37-39. The End of the Age or The Day of the Lord. THE COMING OF CHRIST. 24:30. |
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4623 | Are new worship songs scripturally OK? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 22998 | ||
Searcher I'm ready and waiting, in fact I jump up every so often to see if I can get a head start. Would you please explain to me that that has to do with this thread? :-) EdB |
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4624 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 22997 | ||
Nolan I think we agree that the lawless one and the antichrist are one and the same. I think Daniel 9 is also talking about the antichrist and in Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." I think shows that the antichrist will be revealed and yet function for another 3.5 years. Your right in your presumption that I believe the “day of Lord” or Christ’s return and the “rapture’ are two different things. In the description of the Christ’s return we see Zech. 14:4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. Acts 1:9-11 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." Matthew 24:27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Which compares differently to 1 Thes. 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. This to me shows they are talking about two different occasions. To me that is Biblical proof to you maybe not in any case that is what I base my belief on and that happens to agree with many theologians of the day. |
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4625 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | EdB | 22996 | ||
Raul I'm far from sinless perfection, I repent every day and it seems I have more to repent for today by questioning your intentions please accept my most humble apologizes. As for bare assertions please explain how these qualifications are met by divorced people. Let’s take facts. Above Reproach – until recently divorce has always been a disgrace. Husband of one wife – one women man Temperate – Again major reason for divorce uncontrolled tempers. Prudent – the most frequent single element missing in divorced relationships. Respectable – again at this time divorce was a disgrace. Hospitable – hard for unmarried son living at home. Able to teach – able teach compromise within marriage. Uncontentious – main reason for divorce contention. Head of household – married EdB |
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4626 | Are new worship songs scripturally OK? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 22994 | ||
Well said Kalos and might I add (in agreement with you) that this false teaching that we have authority over Satan is actually giving Satan entrance rather than defeat. People are spending more time talking to Satan than they are to God. EdB |
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4627 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | EdB | 22993 | ||
Raul I think you knew what I meant when I said God does not make provision for sin in our lives but that He did send His son to Dead for our sin. I think you know what I meant when I said God provided to remove sin from our lives. It is by His blood that sin no longer reigns but we have salvation and freedom from it. I never denied the priesthood of the believers and in fact I stand firm in my belief in it. However that does not change the fact that God did call some to be pastors and from this list He seems to have excluded divorced or unmarried men. Quite frankly maybe I read more into your reply than you meant but I really don't like the tone of your reply. I never attacked you I merely stated what it is I see in this scripture. You on the other hand seemed to want to question my basic doctrine, possibly my salvation and implied I needed to explain myself. EdB |
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4628 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 22912 | ||
NolanNolan Your right 2 Thess. 2:8 does say Jesus will defeat the antichrist upon his return but verses 6 and 7 implies there will be a time factor between his revealing and his demise. As for your theory on pre trib and post trib your points are based on your belief that the events in 1 Thess 4 and 2 Thess 2 are the same events. I think not. I see the 1 Thess 4 as what is known as the rapture where Jesus calls home the church and 2 Thess 2 as the Jesus’ Second coming where he establishes his rule here on earth. I can’t say I have any Biblical proof of my position except to say in other places of Scripture where the return of Jesus is described it paints an entirely different picture than that of 1 Thess 4 and to me that must mean we are talking about two different occurrences. Just these little things in 2 Thess 2 where the antichrist will be revealed but, have as I read it, a little time to rule earth before his demise tells me they are two separate events. Then I go back to my original premise that God would not remove His Holy Spirit and let His children to their own devices so I have to believe 1 Thess 4 provides the solution to that problem. I will say I take offense to someone (it wasn’t you) comparing the rapture to the Jehovah Witnesses teaching that Jesus returned in 1914. Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus returned and He is here today we just can’t see him. The classical view of the rapture is Jesus removing the church before the Day of the Lord when the wrath of God is poured out on the earth. By the way I also believe the day of the Lord is a period of time rather that a literal day. I believe this from revelation where we see God’s wrath poured and there appears to be more than one day’s events. Also I refer to Daniel where he describes his second week with a break in the middle. I think the break starts the revealing of the antichrist and the beginning of God’s wrath or Day of the Lord. As far as pre trib or mid trib your right my sequence does imply I believe pre trib but in fact I’m still on the fence. :-) Once again I cline to the previously stated immunity clause. EdB |
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4629 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 22909 | ||
Kalos I believe that sequence is the same as mine just a lot more detailed, and it places the rapture in the middle rather than the beginning of the tribulation. However it does place Jesus' return. before the wrath of God. I see His return after. Again I see the rapture and the second coming as two distinct events. EdB |
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4630 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | EdB | 22906 | ||
Sir Pent Well SAID!!!! EdB |
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4631 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 22881 | ||
Nolan I do not believe the rapture and the return of Christ (Day of the Lord) are the same. If we read the rapture account in 1 Thess 4 we see the Lord in the air not on earth. In the account of the return of Jesus in Revelation and Zech 14:4, Jesus touches down on earth. Further knowing the job of the Holy Spirit to be a companion and comforter John 16:7 in find it hard to believe God would allow his Children to be here at the hardest time without the Holy Spirit to guide and comfort them. In other words to do it in their own strength. My opinion of the sequence is: 1. Rapture 1 Thess 4. 2. Withdrawal of the Holy Spirit from earth 2 Thess. 2 3. Revealing of the antichrist. 2 Thess. 2 4. Tribulation Matt. 24 Daniel 9:27 Daniel’s 70 week 5. Return of Christ, Jesus splits the mountains. 6. Millennial reign of Christ. The only question I have is does the rapture take place before the Tribulation starts or some where within it. It seems likely that the tribulation will have been started before the 1 Thess 4 takes place. As you so well put it. These are just my thoughts, and I am open to any suggests or 'correction' here. If you have something to add here that is based upon the Bible, then by all means, let me know. I have not used any other source other than the Bible to come up with the above 'chronology', but I realize that our focus is not on what is going to happen- our focus is on 'being ready' for the Groom's return for His bride, since the Groom will come just like a 'thief in the night'! (1 Thess. 5:2) EdB |
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4632 | did the wine from the water make you dr | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 22874 | ||
Steve Let me assure you no good wine maker depends on those yeast to make wine. Most of those yeast will cause the wine to go to vinegar. Grapes are carefully washed before they are crushed. Again the wine in Jesus time was made from as you said kool aid (dried grape juice that could be stored a long time). I also fail to believe Jesus would make anything that would kill thousands of brain cells which we know alcohol does. Nor would he make anything that is potentially dangerous to pregnant mother’s babies that quite possibly could be at the wedding, again we know alcohol effects fetal development. EdB |
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4633 | A divorced pastor in ministry? | 1 Tim 3:2 | EdB | 22869 | ||
Raul You make a good case but let me add that verse 4 says this same person must manage his household well. I contend that a divorce shows the household was not always managed well. Now I will concede that a case can be made for a man to have made a mistake and then after some period of time learned to manage his household to the point there would be no further divorce. But this would only be true after many years of faithful service and growing within his life. Today we see men and women divorce and many step right back into the pulpit saying everything is fine. Further your assertion that there are many other Greek words that could have been used there brings me to a point I was trying to make many months ago. Paul used this particular term for a reason and reason was not to make room for divorce (God hates divorce) but rather to insure the man was in fact married and biblically pure. Jesus clearly taught that to divorce and remarry unless the covenant of marriage was broken by adultery had the married person living in adultery. I believe the only divorced person that could fit the standard in 1 Tim 3 would be a person that was divorced and remarried before their salvation. EdB |
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4634 | Should we redefine terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 22864 | ||
This is exactly what cult do, redefine terms. Now please don't anyone read this as me saying they are a cult or whatever. I'm just saying that twisting the meaning of terms to fit our idea is very dangerous. It is even a danger within orthodox Christianity we use terms that mean one thing to one person or part of the country and something completely different to another. We have to be careful of this and in many cases we need to provide the definition rather than the word to insure we are being heard correctly. EdB |
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4635 | did the wine from the water make you dr | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 22860 | ||
Having made a little wine in my day (long before salvation) you can get grapes to ferment but the process is hit or miss and the alcoholic content will be way down. Also to make wine everything has to sterilized or your wine will go bad. Fermentation is the process where yeast bacteria eat sugar and their waste becomes alcohol( doesn’t that sound tasty?). The process continues until the sugar is used up or until the alcoholic content gets so high the yeast die. Example (these figures are examples not fact) lets say it takes 4 cups of sugar to make a gallon of grape juice into wine at it’s highest alcoholic content. That wine would be a tasty but a little dry wine at about 26 percent alcohol level. If you added 5 cups of sugar you would have a very sweet wine at again 26 percent alcohol level. If you added only 3 cups you would have a very dry wine at 10-15 percent alcohol level. If you simply took grape juice and no sugar you would have a fruity but dryish wine at about 1 percent or less alcohol. Since alcohol acts as a preservative the higher the alcoholic content the longer the wine can be stored. A wine with very low alcoholic content would spoil very easy. In France around this time of the year they have a festival called Nouveau Buojelleaux (spelling) Which mean “new wine”. It is wine made naturally (without sugar) and has very low in alcoholic content and therefore without added preservatives a very short shelf life. Basically if it isn’t drank at the festival it begins to go bad and they pour what they call “old wine” out. An interesting note, this “new wine” which is so low in alcoholic content is the wine sought after, it seems their taste have tired of the “old wine” and they are now drinking the “BEST”. At the time of Jesus preservation of food and wine was important, without refined sugar alcoholic content sufficient for preservation as many suppose would be hard to reach. Honey and such could be added but you have the danger of introducing foreign bacteria could cause the wine to spoil into vinegar. The Jewish wine was mostly made from grapes that were crushed and the juice dried by the sun to form a dry film almost like “fruit rollups” the kids have today. Since it was a dry film it would last almost indefinitely and was very practical to carry and store. This dry film was added to water and reconstituted into grape juice when needed. Much like our juice which is labels reconstituted or made from condensed. It was good and for the most part tastes like fresh wine but you could tell the difference so “New wine” or fresh squeezings were sought after. They put new wine in new skins because the chemicals that were used to tan the new skins also killed any foreign bacteria and hence the wine would not begin to ferment, ferment to vinegar not alcoholic wine. Old skins which had been used to store wine would have a bacteria that would cause wine fermentation but alas the gas generated would cause the skin to burst and the wine lost. To make a case that the wine of the Bible was alcoholic is built on shaky ground, while it could have had some alcohol in it you would have to drink more than most could hold to feel any effect. Many say they had to drink it since the water was bad, believe me the water is still bad and they drink it right from the wells today. I’m sure there were those that made high alcoholic wine but that was not the norm and there other alcoholic drinks of the time many were much like what we call beer today, which are easier to make. EdB. |
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4636 | meaning of numbers in the bible | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 22111 | ||
Casiv I learned a lot about numbers from that book and especially the number 11. See what I figured out. The date of the attack: 9/11 - 9 plus 1 plus 1 equals 11 September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 plus 5 plus 4 equals 11 After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran. 1 plus 1 plus 9 equals 11 Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11 The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 I Have More....... State of New York - The 11th State added to the Union New York City - 11 Letters Afghanistan - 11 Letters The Pentagon - 11 Letters Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (convicted of orchestrating the attack at the WTC in 1993) Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 plus 2 equals 11 Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 plus 5 equals 11 How does this effect Planet earth? Oh no ..."PLANET EARTH" has 11 letters, too! I know, the Red Cross can help. No they can't... 11 letters in "THE RED CROSS," can't trust them. I would rely on self defense, but "SELF DEFENSE" has 11 letters in it, too! Can someone help? Anyone? If so, send me email. No, don't... "SEND ME EMAIL" has 11 letters.... Will this never end? I'm going insane! "GOING INSANE???" Eleven letters!! Nooooooooooo!!!!!! I guess I'll die alone, even though "I'LL DIE ALONE" has 11 letters..... But there is a Light at the end of Tunnel 11 -- "Jesus Christ" has 11 So Casiv thanks for helping me figure this all out I feel a lot better now. EdB |
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4637 | Does not tithing disqualify leadership? | Mal 3:10 | EdB | 22055 | ||
Mommapbs I believe many will disagree with this but let them show you scripture to prove their point. The rightly or wrongly the pastor has set down the rules. Now are you under subjection to him or not. If not then what are you doing at that church? Find out where God wants you and get there. If your sure God wants you at that church then follow the Pastor’s rules. Hebrews 13:17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you. Notice it says the Pastor must give an account, you can’t answer for him nor can anyone on this forum, if God lead him to make such a rule then it is for you to obey. If God didn’t lead him to make such a rule then it is for him to explain his action to God for why forced such a rule on you. All you need to decide is this man your God given shepherd or not. Pray about it! EdB |
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4638 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 22011 | ||
After being involved in one I know for a fact that at least half the people that go forward are trained altar workers so what ever number you see on TV at least half and probably a lot more are people that have volunteered to go forward to pray with others. I found most that came were already saved they just wanted to talk. Or renew their commitment or just wanted to be where the action was. So a 2 percent number really does not surprize me. EdB |
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4639 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 22010 | ||
Nolan Your right there is no middle ground on some specific points. And we are still in agreement. The point I'm seeking does election exclude all or does it include all. Calvinist say election cannot be resisted therefore since everyone is not saved election only means select people are offered. I say the Bible tells me salvation or election can be resisted therefore I see Election for as meaning all. EdB |
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4640 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 22002 | ||
Nolan I think we are all in agreement. But I do see a difference in a man initiated salvation and a God initiated salvation. By that I mean I have seen preachers give a heart throbbing, gut wrenching, emotion packed message and then a call to salvation and many that respond seem to be no different than they were before. Then I have seen preachers preach on division of land of Israel among the tribes and have seen people pray the prayer of salvation with a complete change in their life. In the first case I believe the decision was man initiated in the second God initiated. So to the Arminian bent I hold I add that God issues the call and man responses. If man initiates the act I hold the salvation in suspect until I see proof of fruit. EdB |
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