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6001 | Who does "the dead" include? | Rev 20:12 | DocTrinsograce | 133407 | ||
That's the way I read it. But I often hear others talk about the Great White Throne as the place where Christians are judged. I was curious to know if this was a common opinion. Thank you, prayon! | ||||||
6002 | Hell/Lake of Fire | Rev 20:14 | DocTrinsograce | 171766 | ||
Dear Alanh, Over the years we notice that some forum participants prefer to use the words of others rather than invest the time, energy, and effort in smithing their own words. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. For example, bringing a particularly well written quote from someone with greater authority than our own can often be a valuable exercise for us all. Of course, when we fail to attribute to the rightful owner the words we use, it becomes a different matter. This is what is called plagiarism. Plagiarism is a fancy word for stealing. Its a bit worse than that, however, because it is also an effort to elicit admiration for prowess of intellect, creativity, and academic industry that rightly belongs to another. Consequently, this sort of behavior is rooted in violations of at least two and more probably three of the Ten Commandments; i.e., it is sin. Alan, nothing rooted in sin will bring benefit, either to ourselves or to those around us. On the contrary, underhanded behavior can often detract from the argument. I certainly understand your tenacious and unyielding embrasure of Campbellism. That is your right. I doubt, however, that even folks in the group known as the "Church of Christ" would want you to promote their denominational perspective in anything but an honest and forthright fashion. Some of them might even take umbrage at your using their words as your own. Please, in the future, show greater respect for the Lord, the Lockman Foundation, and your fellow forum members by employing the highest standards of intellectual honesty that you can muster. Take the following aphorism from a man who knows wells from his own bitter, past experience: Character is more easily maintained than restored! In Him, Doc |
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6003 | Hell/Lake of Fire | Rev 20:14 | DocTrinsograce | 171784 | ||
Sure, Alan... Your post #171757 is verbatim from an article by Ronny F. Wade entitled "What Happens After Death." Wade is a fairly well known teacher in Campbellite circles. I can post a URL to the article itself, but I'd rather avoid propagating such teachings. However, if you insist on further evidence I will do so. I'll place it immediately following your post #171757. No rancor here, son. We are all flawed people prone to sin. No one here is better than anyone else! :-) I'm just hoping your participation in the forum will rise to the appropriate ethical level. In Him, Doc |
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6004 | Hell/Lake of Fire | Rev 20:14 | DocTrinsograce | 171785 | ||
...of course, someone else might not hesitate to post the URL. :-) | ||||||
6005 | Hell/Lake of Fire | Rev 20:14 | DocTrinsograce | 171795 | ||
Well, you know, Brother Hank, there are, after all, only a finite number of words and a finite number of combinations in which they can be arranged! :-) Good anecdote, by the way! |
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6006 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 225664 | ||
Hi, Ed... I have heard Campbellites, Unitarians, and Universalists assert that kind of teaching, but never anyone who purportedly embraced sola scriptura. As Pastor Beja has pointed out, scripture does teach that the world will be judged. Indeed, if God's judgment of the world does not take place, His holiness could not stand. Regardless, in a forum dedicated to sola scriptura, we need to cite the specific verses related to the question. In the confession from my own tradition, the salient scriptures on the final judgment are summarized as follows: "God hath appointed a day wherein He will judge the world in righteousness, by Jesus Christ (Acts 17:31; John 5:22, 27); to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father; in which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged (1 Corinthians 6:3; Jude 1:6), but likewise all persons that have lived upon the earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds, and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil (2 Corinthians 5:10; Ecclesiastes 12:14; Matthew 12:36; Romans 14:10, 12; Matt. 25:32-46). "The end of God's appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of His mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of His justice, in the eternal damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient (Romans 9:22-23): for then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and glory with everlasting rewards, in the presence of the Lord; but the wicked, who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast aside into everlasting torments (Matthews 25:21, 34; 2 Timothy 4:8), and punished with everlasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power (Matthew 25:46; Mark 9:48; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). "As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin (2 Corinthians 5:10-11), and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity (2 Thessalonians 1:5-7), so will He have the day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come (Mark 13:35-37; Luke 12:35-40), and may ever be prepared to say, 'Come Lord Jesus; come quickly' (Revelation 22:20). Amen." --1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (32.1-3) In Him, Doc |
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6007 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 225712 | ||
Dear Ariel, Good question! No, that is something called annihilationism (see http://www.theopedia.com/annihilationism), a heterodoxical teaching. In orthodoxy we believe that the bible teaches a doctrine of eternal life, as well as a doctrine of eternal death (cf Matthew 25:46, etc.); viz: "The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption (Gen. 3:19; Acts 13:36) but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them (Eccl. 12:7). The souls of the righteous being then made perfect in holiness, are received into paradise, where they are with Christ, and behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies (Luke 23:43; 2 Cor. 5:1, 6, 8; Phil. 1:23, Heb. 12:23); and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell; where they remain in torment and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day (Jude 1:6-7; 1 Peter 3:19; Luke 16:23-24); besides these two places, for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledgeth none. "At the last day, such of the saints as are found alive, shall not sleep, but be changed (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:17); and all the dead shall be raised up with the selfsame bodies, and none other (Job 19:26-27); although with different qualities, which shall be united again to their souls for ever (1 Cor. 15:42-43). "The bodies of the unjust* shall, by the power of Christ, be raised to dishonor; the bodies of the just, by His Spirit, unto honour, and be made conformable to His own glorious body (Acts 24:15; John 5:28-29; Phil. 3:21). " --1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (31.1-3) Thank you for asking a good question! In Him, Doc * The word just and unjust are meant in a forensic sense. In other words, the just are those that have been judged and found innocent, perfect and righteous; whereas the unjust are those that have been judged and are found guilty. |
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6008 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 225713 | ||
Dear Ed, I seek to avoid emotion in my posts, because it is always so easily misinterpreted. After all, it is hard enough to be fully responsible for what we are saying as it is. Nonetheless, if I am found passionate, I hope it will always be a passion for the revealed truth of our Lord God (Hebrews 1:1-2). As we will be judged for every idle word (Matthew 12:36), shall we not adjure, encourage, correct, and admonish one another (Titus 1:9) to always speak that which accords to sound doctrine (Titus 2:1; Ephesians 4:29)? For you may know what you mean, and I may know what you mean, but our communication is public, and there will be many who can do no more than take what we write at face value. Now, concerning the passage in John 3, we understand that it is not speaking of final judgment, but the judgment that took place on Calvary. All of the elect's sin was judged and the sentence carried out on Christ on that day. That is why, when we die, we go immediately into God's presence. We must always take every passage within context. Furthermore, we understand every doctrine by a harmonization of all that scripture has to say concerning that doctrine. In Him, Doc |
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6009 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 225720 | ||
Dear Ed, You wrote, "Perhaps that is your understanding..." Yes, no perhaps about it, it most certainly is, and I am not alone. I can cite the many sources if you like. Can you cite a scholarly source that interprets John 3:18 as negating final judgment? You wrote, "...your passion shows..." Perhaps I cannot contain it. As John Calvin once wrote, "A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." Please pray for me that "His Word would be in my heart as a burning fire, and not shut up in my bones" (Jeremiah 20:9). I want to be consumed by love for my Lord, not simply cognizant of His revelation. In Him, Doc |
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6010 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 225742 | ||
Dear Ed, Your retraction is accepted, so consider your break given as requested. As to the other things... If in the SBF the deliberation of the Word devolves to the point where personal spleen carries more weight than careful exegesis, then it has ceased to support the sola scriptura principles on which it is based (2 Timothy 3:16). Lockman has explicitly stated those principles in the Terms of Use. Furthermore, the act of posting is a tacit promise to our host, and our fellow forum members, to uphold those principles in our each and every word. Finally, any hidden agenda fails to contribute positively to the principles of our gracious host (2 Corinthians 4:2), demonstrate respect to its members (Colossians 3:9; Proverbs 27:5), or honor our blessed Lord Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 4:5). Regardless, in any meaningful communication, intent is less pertinent than what is explicitly written. As men who purport to serve a God who has revealed truth through words (Hebrews 1:1-2), let us love Him and one another by intending what we write and writing what we intend (Ecclesiastes 12:11, 14). In Him, Doc |
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6011 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 240076 | ||
Hello, maus... I will focus on a single subject: Do I rightly understand that you believe that there are portions of the Scriptures that are superfluous? In Him, Doc |
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6012 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 240083 | ||
Hi, Maus... So you do not believe that any particular word, sentence, pericope, paragraph, or book of Scripture is capable of interpretation/ In Him, Doc |
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6013 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 240088 | ||
Hi, Maus... Okay, that's good, otherwise we'd be left in a Study Nonsense Forum. You mentioned something about experts annoying one another with differing views of hell. Given the context of our forum, I am assuming that by experts you mean there are orthodox Christian exegetes or theologians who disagree on eternal perdition. Would you please name a couple of them and tell how their views differ? In Him, Doc |
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6014 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 240093 | ||
I would prefer if you could summarize your assertion, please. | ||||||
6015 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 240105 | ||
Hi, Maus... You are the one posting on the forum, under the responsibilities and presuppositions as specified by our gracious host. Wikipedia is not. The onus of responsibility is on you to substantiate your assertions. Granting the benefit of the doubt might yield something instructive to us all. As our Lord stated on one occasion, "Wisdom is vindicated by all her children" (Luke 7:35). Your responses have not lent credence to what you have stated so far. Furthermore you offered to discuss a single subject at once (post #240074), which thing I had supposed to be a sincere offer. Since the Socratic approach failed... allow me to explain... The NASB translation is based on a doctrine called sola Scriptura. The forum itself is rooted in the support of that presupposition. Indeed, as Christians, we live by every word of God (Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4) -- not on some of them or the ones we like or even just the ones we understand. All Scripture is God breathed and all of it is necessary (2 Timothy 3:16-17) -- not some of it or the parts we like or even just the ones we understand. God spoke and we are required to listen to Him (Hebrews 1:1-2) -- not just to some of what He says or the parts we like or even just the parts we understand. Suppression of the truth is a very dangerous thing (Romans 1:18). Outside of God's self-revelation, we would only vaguely know Him (Romans 1:19). God Himself has revealed His righteousness to us (Exodus 9:27; Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 119:137; Isaiah 45:21; Jeremiah 12:1; Micah 7:9; Romans 7:12), His Holiness (Leviticus 19:2; Psalm 22:3; Isaiah 6:3 Ezekiel 36:21-23; Habakkuk 2:20; Revelation 4:8; 15:3-4), His justice (Exodus 23:7; Matthew 5:20; 25:31-46; Luke 19:22; Revelation 20:11-15). The doctrine receives more attention by our Savior than does the doctrine of heaven -- I will leave you to search that out for yourself. So if God Himself has taught us of these things, do you actually come to us to tell us they are unimportant? I doubt your "experts" represent Christendom. The doctrine of hell (as a place of eternal damnation) is averred by Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism. Indeed, relative to Protestantism the doctrine is explicitly affirmed in such documents as the Three forms of Unity, the Book of Concord, the Westminster Standards, the Savoy Declaration, etc. etc. Some of our non-confessional friends have even expressed it here. As to Plato... One of my theology professors used to say, "Even a blind hog can stumble upon an acorn from time to time." Have you taken the time to read the Terms of Use -- the ones you agreed to when you joined the forum? You should understand that every time you post you are explicitly affirming your agreement with those terms. Consequently, when one posts things contrary to those terms, one's persuasiveness drops precipitously. We are necessarily an eccumenical community; but there are doctrinal prerequisites in the Terms of Use. Son, you may be able to contribute to our forum in a positive way, despite a rocky start. Reading the Terms of Use, then walking them out on this forum, will give the best evidence of good intentions. In Him, Doc |
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6016 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | DocTrinsograce | 240107 | ||
Hi, Maus... So tell us: are you a Russellite ("Jehovah Witness")? In Him, Doc |
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6017 | Four Common Views of the End Times | Rev 21:2 | DocTrinsograce | 190475 | ||
Historical Pre Millenalism (HPM) At the end of the present age there will be great tribulation, followed by the second coming of Jesus Christ. When He comes, the Antichrist will be judged, the righteous resurrected, Satan bound and then will follow a thousand year reign. At the end of the millennium Satan will be released for a short time in which he leads a rebellion against our Lord before been destroyed. The unrighteous will now be raised for judgment followed then by the New Heavens and Earth. This view more or less developed was the dominant position from 100-350AD It was held by Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen, Tertullian etc. After 500AD (Augustine destroyed it with his A Mill position which carried the day and the Church till 1800) it fell into disuse until its revival under the Dispies in the last century. Dispensational Pre Millennialism (DPM) This is by far the most complex of the four views, furthermore it is also radically different from HPM since it teaches that Israel (always separate from the Church) are the recipients of the blessing of the Millennium, not the Church of Christ. They teach that the eschatological watch stopped for the age of Israel at the end of the 69th week at the death of Christ and therefore the rejection of the Messiah and His Kingdom. There is now a eschatological gap between the 69th and the 70th week (Dan 9) . The clock has stopped ticking for Israel and will not continue to tick again until the last week begins which will be ushered in by a political leader making a covenant with Israel. Thereafter, the Saints are raptured as Christ's returns in the clouds (not second coming) for His people. In the middle of the seventh week (31/2 years into the 7 year tribulation) the political leader will cease sacrifices in the rebuilt temple and the great tribulation will end with the battle of Armageddon, which will see Christ destroy His enemies. Now the nations who supported Israel will be gathered into the Millennium Kingdom, those who did not will be cast into the Hades to await the last the last judgment. Christ will reign from His throne in Jerusalem, the Temple will be re built, sacrifices (memorial) re instituted and Israel shall be exalted amongst the nations. At the end of the 1000 years Satan will be released, unbelievers will be marshaled and the rebellion against Christ will begin. It will be quickly destroyed. Then there will be the last judgment and finally the eternal state ushered in. Post Millennialism (PM) PM like AM believe the Millennium is that time between the first and second coming of Christ. They teach that there will be a golden age when the gospel will draw men to Christ in unprecedented numbers, ethnic Israel will be gathered in to receive her Messiah and the nations will be Christianized. There is an expectation of the whole nations being converted. At the end of such a golden age, there will be a brief rebellion, which will be destroyed. Christ then returns and ushers in the eternal state. Amillennialism (AM) Like PM, AM believes that the 1000 tears are symbolic of the time of the last days (from first to second coming). AM expect a parallel growth of both good and evil, side by side. At the end of the Last days there will be great evil and tribulation followed by the second coming, general resurrection, last judgment and the introduction of the eternal state of the new heavens and earth. --Darren R. Middleton |
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6018 | JOHN 2:25 DOES THIS MEAN FOREVER? | Rev 21:2 | DocTrinsograce | 220375 | ||
We will be praying for you. Does the church you attend know about your condition? | ||||||
6019 | family in heaven | Rev 21:4 | DocTrinsograce | 243380 | ||
Hi, Lionheart... Jonathan Edwards, in one of his famous sermons in 1741 said, "There will be something accomplished and brought to pass, that will be dreadful with a Witness. When the great and angry God hath risen up and executed his awful Vengeance on the poor Sinner; and the Wretch is actually suffering the infinite Weight and Power of His Indignation, then will God call upon the whole Universe to behold that awful Majesty, and mighty Power that is to be seen in it." For which he sites Isaiah 33:12-15, "The peoples will be burned to lime, Like cut thorns which are burned in the fire. You who are far away, hear what I have done; And you who are near, acknowledge My might. Sinners in Zion are terrified; Trembling has seized the godless. Who among us can live with the consuming fire? Who among us can live with continual burning? He who walks righteously and speaks with sincerity, He who rejects unjust gain And shakes his hands so that they hold no bribe; He who stops his ears from hearing about bloodshed And shuts his eyes from looking upon evil." We will be witness to God's loving kindness as well as His wrath. The former to the glory of His loving kindness and the latter to the glory of His righteous holiness. I do not fully understand, nor do I think that any of us can understand, but one thing is certain: God will be glorified in everything that He does. When we think about this now, there seems to be a great horror and grieving in our imagination concerning these things. We must remember, though, that we see darkly as in a mirror. When we are made like our Lord Jesus, we will see clearly, and be witnesses to God's glory. In Him, Doc |
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6020 | God's Goal is Glory | Rev 21:5 | DocTrinsograce | 167169 | ||
"This life is not righteousness, but growth in righteousness, not health, but healing, not being but becoming, not rest, but exercise. We are not yet what we shall be, but we are growing towards it, the process is not yet finished, but it is going on, this is not the end, but it is the road. All does not yet gleam in glory, but all is being purified." --Martin Luther (1521) | ||||||
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