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301 | in what ways does god punish people | Prov 28:13 | Aixen7z4 | 104433 | ||
"A person" can face an eternity in hell (Psalm 9:17). Yet, it is not clear that we should call that a punishment. There are those who say God does not send anyone to hell, it is the sinner who chooses to go there. Of course, Psalm 9:17 says that the wicked shall be turned into hell. Revelation 20:15 says that those whose names are not in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire. It should be clear, however, that God does not want to impose the penalties for sin. The penalty was borne by Jesus, and God wants to forgive us. What he requires is repentance, and faith. That is why he says, "If the wicked will turn from all his sins and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die” (Ezekiel 18:21). “As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live”. He begs us, “Turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways”. He asks us, “Why will ye die?” And yet, AO is correct. Even a temporary interruption of his fellowship with God is painful to a believer. This pain is an evidence of his salvation and it is an incentive to repent and return to the Lord. To be turned into hell is the ultimate, as it means to be denied fellowship with God forever. Whether we call it a punishment or a consequence or a choice will not matter. Happily, we are assured that this cannot happen to one who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. “A person” can end up in hell. A believer cannot. When a believer sins, he will be chastened of the Lord, but he will not be condemned with the world (1 Corinthians 11:32; Heb 12:10). |
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302 | why should i bring people | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 104403 | ||
All these men are really good brothers. They may go above your head sometimes because they know the Bible through and through. And sometimes they don’t take too much time to explain. But if you ask a question, they will answer. Try to explain what you mean. Like if you are reading something and can’t understand it, tell us what part of the Bible you’re reading. You will sure find some answers here. Talking about the Holy Spirit! They will tell you that he Holy Spirit never really leaves you. He is always there. But sometimes he fills you up, and then you feel the joy and the power. One of the other things he does in just to lead you, day by day, and that is what happened with that men's meeting. The Holy Spirit just led you there. So enjoy it. And share with us what's happening. And if you have any questions, just ask them. That's what this forum is for. It's like another meeting place. So welcome Brother Buddy. If you want to tell the guys in the men’s group about the forum, tell them. We are just some more Christian friends. By the way, if anybody treats you badly here, just hang in there. Some of the guys can be rough, but they’re nice people, just like in church. Good to have you. Hang in there. And God bless you, man. |
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303 | What is it, about Jehovah's Witnesses? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 104375 | ||
I suspect, Brother Scribe, that some regulars on this forum have learned whose answers they can trust. They may not be looking for theologians but for people who have demonstrated a knowledge of the Bible. I hope so. I have to believe that people look for these names to find answers, because each of these threads can be very long. It would take a long time to read through one and a longer time and something else to separate truth from error. I doubt that people read through a whole thread looking for answers or before providing their own. I do not doubt that some cult adherents come here with an intention to teach or to convert someone to their group or to their way of thinking. It is against the Forum's rules, I know. And yet, I hope that someone would be able to give a direct answer that might redirect the questioner. When Nicodemus came to Jesus, the Lord did not ask, “Are you a Pharisee? Yes or No”. He gave him the truth, and I would hope that we could do so here without getting into a debate with a cultist. I suggest that the one who is wise enough to recognize the cultist should also arm himself with an appropriate answer. |
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304 | why should i bring people | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 104371 | ||
Mikeness, Hank, Kalos: I have a thought. Might this be a case to be handled a little more gently? Put yourself in this person's situation. I get the impression this is a person who has just begun to attend a meeting. They seem to have asked him to bear a burden he is not able to bear. So he comes here for help. Can we help him? We may want to do more than to point out his duty, I think, for in so doing we may also be highlighting his inability to meet it. I am impressed that among Christians it is very easy to tell someone what he ought to do. It is more difficult, but necessary, to help them to do it. This person has apparently had experiences that taught him that other people do not care. Likely, he has had little experience with people caring for him. He asks, “why should i care about others, when they never cared for me ever!” Brothers, it is my impression that this person needs someone to care for him now. And maybe the Lord has led him to you. I suggest that you care for him, and make him feel cared for, instead of pointing out a dozen things for him to do. May God guide us. We do not know if this person is even saved? But he is seeking the Lord’s will. He attended a meeting. He is asking a question. He is revealing something of his past which shows a need. We give him passages to read and we don’t know of his reading capacity. And may I suggest that writing reflects reading? I know that you are trying to help this brother. I am only suggesting that you use a lighter touch. I am suggesting that our friend may not be ready for words such as “Be perfect", and "unwholesome talk” and “selfish ambition” and “vain conceit”. Perhaps we need to begin at a more elementary level. Remember what Paul said to the weak ones: “I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified“. I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. And may the Lord give you wisdom in responding. |
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305 | why should i bring people | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 104367 | ||
Kalos, Makarios, Tim: Might this be a case to be handled a little more gently? I get the impression this is a person who has just begun to attend a meeting. They seem to have asked him to bear a burden he is not able to bear. So he comes here for help. Can we help him? We may want to do more than to point out his duty, I think, for in so doing we may also be highlighting his inability to meet it. I am impressed that among Christians it is very easy to tell someone what he ought to do. It is more difficult, but necessary, to help them to do it. This person has apparently had experiences that taught him that other people do not care. Likely, he has had little experience with people caring for him. He asks, “why should i care about others, when they never cared for me ever!” Brothers, it is my impression that this person needs someone to care for him now. And maybe the Lord has led him to you. I suggest that you care for him, and make him feel cared for, instead of pointing out a dozen things for him to do. May God guide us. We do not know if this person is even saved? But he is seeking the Lord’s will. He attended a meeting. He is asking a question. He is revealing something of his past which shows a need. We give him passages to read and we don’t know of his reading capacity. And may I suggest that writing reflects reading? I know that you are trying to help this brother. I am only suggesting that you use a lighter touch. I am suggesting that our friend may not be ready for words such as “Be perfect", and "unwholesome talk” and “selfish ambition” and “vain conceit”. Perhaps we need to begin at a more elementary level. Remember what Paul said to the weak ones: “I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified“. I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. And may the Lord give you wisdom in responding. |
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306 | Is lifting His name related to this vs? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104347 | ||
Warning: If we answer this question, then we will have started down a long road of contention, and we will be discussing many other topics that I will list below. We might as well discuss the question of why some of us become a part of a cult. That, I humbly suggest, would be of more value than to consider this first as the expected answer, and the dubious assertions following: God: Unipersonal; His proper name is Jehovah. Jesus: A created angel who has existed in three stages or phases (the archangel Michael, Jesus of Nazareth, an exalted Michael). The Christ: The anointed one; Jesus became "the Christ" at his baptism, at which point He was also spiritually reborn. Holy Spirit: The impersonal active force of Jehovah. Trinity: A pagan superstition devised by Satan to blaspheme Jehovah. Salvation: Man is capable of achieving salvation without spiritual rebirth. Man: A material (not spiritual) creation of Jehovah. Sin: Not so exceedingly sinful. Satan: God’s arch-enemy, yes, but also consider the fact of Satan's annihilation and Watchtower Society teachings on good and evil angels. Second Coming: Occurred invisibly in 1874 (date later changed to 1914). Bible: Authoritative only when interpreted by the Watchtower Society. Heaven or Hell: Heaven is a place reserved for only the 144,000 "elect"; the idea of an eternal hell is a "doctrine of demons." And thanks to Nolan (Makarios) for bring these to our attention. |
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307 | How would you apply Deuteronomy 29:29? | Numbers | Aixen7z4 | 104212 | ||
Excuse me, Aixen, but I think this comment is out of place. Love and respect are good things, but there is a time and place for everything. | ||||||
308 | What are the questions? | Numbers | Aixen7z4 | 104211 | ||
EdB, I respect you highly, and I love you dearly, but I think it is up to jmjeh, who is asking the questions, to say if the answers are satisfactory. Tim always gives good answers, and I did read what he wrote. My post was made regardless. jmjeh does not want to “start any people argueing” and I certainly share his hope. I have no argument with Tim’s reply, but offer mine regardless. I hope that the questioner will read them both. I think I understand how you and Searcher feel, EdB, but both Tim and I are trying to be helpful. The questioners have their own feelings, and I’d love to hear from them. |
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309 | How would you apply Deuteronomy 29:29? | Numbers | Aixen7z4 | 104210 | ||
EdB, I respect you highly, and I love you dearly, but I think it is up to jmjeh, who is asking the questions, to say if the answers are satisfactory. Tim always gives good answers, and I did read what he wrote. My post was made regardless. jmjeh does not want to “start any people argueing” and I certainly share his hope. I have no argument with what Tim wrote, but I wrote mine nevertheless. I hope that the questioner will read them both. EdB, I think I understand how you and Searcher feel, but we are trying to help a person here. I think I understand how the people who ask the questions feel. I’d love to hear from them. |
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310 | Popular TV preachers | 1 Tim 6:5 | Aixen7z4 | 104199 | ||
How do they do it, Radioman? The people followed Jesus for the bread and the fishes, but these characters take from the people what they have, and give then only vacuous declarations in return. How do they get away with it? Is it because we are failing to preach the true Gospel? Is it because we are afraid to talk against what the false prophets teach? And we are afraid because if we do, even in place like this, we will be attacked and opposed. We are afraid to even quote the Scriptures that pertain. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among us, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of us This is a new thread and we should perhaps prepare to entertain those who support those charlatans, or suffer the bards of those who deny us the right to call then that. The Scriptures must be fulfilled, but I wonder if our fearfulness, and our silence, and the infighting among preachers of the true Gospel has also been predicted. I do not know any of those popular preachers that you listed, and far be it from me to judge them, but it is their message that is in focus here I think. Truly, the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. But this seems to be the worst kind of evil. The focus on prosperity has created a perversion of the Gospel. With this teaching being so widespread, and with our relative failure to preach the true Gospel, the masses of people hardly know just what the Gospel is. How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who hath believed our report?” But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But the mystery of iniquity doth already work. There are these signs and lying wonders, with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God has sent them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, and for a forum like this that is based on the word of God, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, and the word of God is truth. God has called you by the true gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word of the apostles (as in Acts 20:30,35, etc.), or by their epistles. |
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311 | What are the questions? | Numbers | Aixen7z4 | 104179 | ||
Actually, jm, I think you have too many questions. I know that I asked what the questions might be. But now I think they are too many to be answered on a forum. My suggestion is that you find a mature believer whom you can talk to, face to face, about these things. If you do not know such a person, please go to a church and ask the leaders for a recommendation. You ask good questions and they deserve to be answered. And let me assure you that there are answers. But I think you need to deal with them one at a time. This will take time, and you need someone who is willing to spend that time with you personally. I say this for two basic reasons. One is that I think these questions are a real need for you, and not just intellectual curiosity. You remind me of a young man that I worked with a few days ago. He had similar questions. I spent some three (3) hours with him and answered all of his questions and he was fully satisfied. I suggest that the same results could not have been achieved on a forum with different people answering from different perspectives. All of the answers that I have seen here are good, and some are very deep, but you are still not satisfied. You need the focus of a one-on-one conversation, I think. I think someone in your situation needs a mentor anyway. The personal attention and relationship are good things regardless. My second reason for suggesting a mentor is that your questions, and the sheer number of them suggests there may be a more basic question to be answered. Do you have a personal relationship with God? Do you have assurance of salvation? If you do, I trust you are not offended by the question. If you do not, I humbly suggest that you make that the first question and look into the matter. In my professional opinion many questions suggest one bigger fundamental question. Having the answer to the bigger one makes finding the answers to the others so much easier. Lastly, I would suggest that you pursue one question fully and carefully consider the answer before moving on to another. If you do not have a person to talk to personally you may wish to ask your questions here one at a time. You may need to start a new thread for each one. The question concerning the Trinity has already been answered. Jesus and his Father are one in nature and character and in their working relationship. They are so similar and so consistent that, yes, seeing one is no different from seeing the other. But they are not the same person. They are two separate persons. The Holy Spirit is a third person. Each one is God, and together they are God, but they are three separate beings. If there are people answering you here who have differing views on that, and you are listening to all of them, then you can only be confused. Again, please find one person with a Bible who can personally answer all these questions. This is just one opinion. But as a mentor once said to his protégé, Consider what I say; and the Lord give you understanding in all things. |
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312 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104172 | ||
Hmm. Didn't know that. But "the holy day of the Muslims is Friday. It is considered to be sacred and the Day of Judgement will take place on Friday. Muslims join together shortly after noon on Friday for the Friday congregational prayer in a Mosque. A leader (Imam) gives a sermon (Khutba) and leads (in) congregational prayer“ (http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/Intro_Islam.htm). Also was reminded that “Islam” means “Peace” and wondered if the infighting among Christians turns them off. Yet our Gospel is a gospel of peace (Ephesians 6:15; Romans 10:15; Acts 10: 36) and we are urged to be at peace among ourselves (1 Thessalonians 5:13). There are many things we see our brethren do that are actually contrary to Scripture. Let us draw their attention to those by showing tolerance and acceptance on matters that do not matter, such as the day we pray and the tune of the songs we sing, or the fact we do not have the correct verse to support a behavior which is itself correct and is supported elsewhere. | ||||||
313 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104150 | ||
Saudi Arabia. Muslim. Closed. | ||||||
314 | Is lifting His name related to this vs? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104149 | ||
How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! I have come to see that believers in the Lord Jesus Christ are a really wonderful people. There is no sarcasm here, and I mean every word of it. If you look at an individual tree, you may miss the beauty of the forest. Not that there is no beauty in a tree, but you have to look at it very closely and carefully. Step back and take a broader view and it is easy to see the beauty in a forest. Different kinds of trees jostle together when the wind blows. But together they are beautiful. Some are older, stiffer; show less flexibility and less movement. Some are younger, whippier, more easily excited. But they are together in the wind. They all feel the wind and they want to see the others respond and move in their same direction. That is the reason they bounce each other so. It is not to knock the other down, but to move him. They want to see him move in the right direction. There is resistance and counter-shoving, but the branches and the leaves are all moving and shaking somehow. Look at the forest in the wind. It not only looks good. It is in form, in moving, so express and admirable. But it is as a body that you can judge them best, and with that they would feel more comfortable. The reason? That is what the Bible talks about. They all care what the Bible says. The wind in the forest represents what is happening as the Holy Spirit moves them. But he does not move them from without. He is like an element in their blood or in their muscle, especially the heart muscle, and he moves them from within. They still jostle and push around like trees, but it is like a body that they function. They scratch and squeeze and massage and lean and support and intertwine. But at the end of the day they are all together. It is Jesus who said they are a body and it is his body they are. His life flows through them. His blood flows through them, and they understand that, for the life of the flesh is in the blood. Each part wants to see the life flow through the other part, and that’s why they push each other so. His word flows through them too, and each part wants to see the word flow through the other. And it does, as they push against each other. They are like a flock of sheep, grazing together, moving together, under the watchful eyes of the shepherd. They bunch together here and there, but there is one flock, and one shepherd. God leads them along, Some through the waters, some through the flood, some through the fire, but all through the blood; some through great sorrow, but God gives a song, in the night season and all the day long. Talking about singing, some of them don’t even like to sing. Some shout and some lip-synch and some just mouth the words. Some sing simple songs and some sing profound songs. Some sing old-time songs and some go for the modern type. They all try to influence the others to be more this way or that. They want to see Jesus get more praise. Each group resists. But Jesus blends them all together, and it is music to his ears. Some don’t like the way the others sing, but when they focus on Jesus, they don’t even hear the others. However, he hears all of them, and he accepts the praise. You see, he takes it from the heart. Some are further along in their understanding of Scripture, of course, and they can’t all see eye to eye. But when they look in Jesus eyes they all see eyes of love. Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Father has pity on them that are his. And all who belong to Jesus are his. They all search the Scriptures, and they know that these are they that testify of him. And some love him so much they dig so deeply they may even think they see things that are not even there. Why, this here topic they’ve been squabbling on. Each one just wants to get close to the truth. And they all know that it is He who is the Truth. They all know that he was lifted up on the cross, for them. But they all want to lift him up for the entire world to see, how beautiful he is. And I lift them up here, because they are his body. And how beautiful it is! They may say they don’t need to be lifted up or they don’t want to be lifted up or, that Scripture does not say the church should be lifted up. But I am thinking of the Song of Solomon. The bride praises the groom and the groom praises the bride. You might say they lift each other up. And I know that Jesus finds his church so beautiful, even as she finds him altogether lovely. In all of this we greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, we are in heaviness through manifold argumentations; that the trial of our patince, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, we love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, we rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory. |
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315 | Is lifting His name related to this vs? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104085 | ||
It is true. They do not listen. If you say anything to them they accuse you of ignorance and arrogance. The purpose of this present post is so they can have another chance to say what utter nonsense it is. They do not listen. They do not give you a chance to listen. But they are expert at insulting. By the way, I apologize for painting all modern songs a broad brush. Some of them do have substance and honor God and I sing them. It is my fault that I have not listened to some of them long enough to catch the words. OK. Go ahead and blast me for that. |
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316 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104002 | ||
Kathy: I like your motive, and Tim's. But I am afraid we simply have to look to other scriptures. Can it be that Jesus was using the word with a double meaning, when he spoke in the passage at hand of being lifted up? If we looked it up we’d get G5312: hupsoo From G5311; to elevate (literally or figuratively): - exalt, lift up. How could we decide if Jesus was using the word literally, or figuratively, or both? By looking at the word we could not tell. And that is why I say again, we do not look at the word. We get the meaning from the context. From the context we understand that the word is to be taken literally and not figuratively. Why could it not be taken figuratively? We need to look at the context of the rest of Scripture. When Jesus went to the cross was he being exalted? No. He was being degraded. He was brought low. He was despised and rejected. No one in heaven or in earth was rejoicing. Even his persecutors were watching in apprehension, wandering if he would come down from the cross. But he was wounded for our transgressions. His body was high, but his spirit was low. He was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. He was being made sin for us. He was being made a curse. He was put to grief when his soul was made an offering for sin. He was not being exalted in any way. A word can always have many meanings. It is the context that gives it the real meaning. So again I say, we can lift Jesus high. But not on the cross. John 12:32 does not suggest it, and John 12:33 does not allow it. Hebrews 6 says if we put him back on the cross we crucify him afresh and bring him to an open shame. We can praise him for what he accomplished on the cross, but we do not rejoice to see him there. The cross is a place of sorrow and shame, and I think we ought to leave it at that. But now, But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor. He is risen, and ascended. He is at the right hand of the father. One more we can sing “Glory to God in the highest”. |
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317 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 103998 | ||
But there is another way to look at this. If we were searching for the most powerful passage on evangelism, I might have returned with 1 Corinthians 15:3 and 4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. That, after all, is the Gospel. But I also think of Matthew 11:28. Jesus said, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest”. I think of Mark 1:14,15 After that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. I think of Luke 15:21 and following. The son said unto him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son”. But the father said to his servants, “Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet: And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry: For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found”. I think of Luke 24:46 and 47 He said unto them, “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations”. I think of John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. I think of 1 Timothy 1:15. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Come to think of it, I’m glad I do not have to choose between them. In the hands of the Holy Spirit, any of these is dynamite. Any of the others, too. The gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth. |
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318 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 103993 | ||
Tim: It is good to see you again. I heard you say something about parting ways and I was afraid we had lost you. Your enthusiasm is refreshing, and I hope you will stay around to inspire us with it. The men on this forum are Bible scholars and they can be rough if they think you are straying even an inch from the truth. So you have to be very careful. Search the Scriptures before you write, and as the note says, review what you are saying to be sure it is Bible based. Better to ask a question rather than to make a bold statement without double-checking, because they will catch you. It also helps to be humble and to simply admit when you made a mistake. Now I am sure you have gotten the point about lifting Jesus up. There's been a lot of good points made in this thread. If we reviewed them, we would all be wiser. It hurts to see Christians calling each other names, as has been done here, and I hope that part is over. I hope we can make up and move on. As you have said, there is work to be done. We should be presenting Jesus to the world and spreading the good news. Perhaps this forum serves to sharpen the message so we can tell it straight when we go. God bless you. |
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319 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 103914 | ||
So true. Except that it is for me. I must know not only what it says but how I should respond to it. It must have meaning, then, in and of it itself, but also in my life. I must respond to the truth, not by making it fit my present life but by adjusting my life to it. The truth we receive should change us. Jesus was saying he would be lifted up on the cross. Now, how do I respond to that? He was saying he would draw all men to heimself. Now, how do I respond to that? |
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320 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 103913 | ||
Kathy, we should do all that. And you are correct: We should do it, not primarily for our sake but for His sake, and for their sakes, those who do not yet know Him. We should exalt him (Exodus 15:2;Isaiah 25:1). We should praise him (Isaiah 25:1; Isaiah 42:12) . We should boast of him (Psalm 34:2; Psalm 44:8). We should glory in his name (1 Chronicles 16:10;Psalm 105:3). We should magnify the Lord (Psalm 34:3; Psalm 69:30; Luke 1:46). It will affect and draw those who are humbly seeking him. The only point is that none of this is suggested in Luke 12:32. That passage is speaking of Jesus being lifted up on the cross. Maybe we should start another thread on the role of praise in evangelism and base it on Psalm 69:30-32. |
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