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21 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72099 | ||
His sons used to take turns holding feasts in their homes, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would send and have them purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, "Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." This was Job's regular custom. Job didn't have any proof that his children did anything wrong. Although it doesn't use the word feared or afraid, what Job felt is obvious. Job is the personification of both goodie-two-shoes and worry wart. I encourage you to look up different translations of these verses. The Bible says that Job offered these sacrifices continally. It also points out that Job immediately had them purified the after the party and he offered the sacrifices the next morning. The Contemporary English Version seems to state it very well. "Job's sons took turns having feasts in their homes, and they always invited their three sisters to join in the eating and drinking. After each feast, Job would send for his children and perform a ceremony, as a way of asking God to forgive them of any wrongs they may have done. He would get up early the next morning and offer a sacrifice for each of them, just in case they had sinned or silently cursed God." Jesified |
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22 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72134 | ||
I'm not saying that absolutely everything God does is something set in motion by His own creation. As you pointed out, creation would have been impossible. When I say that "faith activates God" I mean that when you have faith in God that He will provide a particular thing, that is when God sends it. For example, Jesus healed people. There are two separate instances where the Bible says Jesus saw someone’s faith (Mark 2:5, Matthew 9:22). In both instances the individuals got what they had faith for; healing. Also, this principle is seen indirectly in other stories, such as Naaman the Syrian in 2 Kings 5. God was just as able to heal him before he dipped 7 times in the Jordan as he was afterward, but God had Elisha tell Naaman to build and exercise his faith. The Brazen Serpent in Numbers 21 is a type of Christ. The brass and serpent are both representative of sin and the serpent was lifted up on a pole. All who looked at it were healed instantly. Christ was lifted up when he was crucified and sin was put on Him. Whoever looks to Him for their healing will be healed. Just as you have to believe (or have faith in) that God through Christ has forgiven you of your sins, you must believe (or have faith in) the fact that God through Christ has healed you. ALL of Christ went on the cross. The whole man was crucified, body, soul, and spirit. This is so that we may be redeemed, body, soul, and spirit. Well, I started preaching off in another direction, but I think you can see what I’m saying now. Oh, and I coined the term Jesified meaning, to act or be made more like Jesus (Galatians 2:20). Jesified |
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23 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72191 | ||
I didn't say Job gave Satan a foot hold. Faith is not manipulating God. God looks at the heart. He knows what's realy driving us and if we're not seeking Him or His blessings with the right heart then we would never receive the blessing. My mistake, I thought that Full Gospel meant that you believed the whole Gospel. If I'm Word of Faith, then I'm Word of Faith. I don't much care what I'm branded with. I know that Jesus died for my complete redemption. There is no denomination in Heaven, only His Church. By the way, if you'd like a schedule of our Kool Aid on the mountain services I'll e-mail it to you. Jesified |
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24 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72199 | ||
I understand that it was the responsibuility of the head of the household to offer those sacrifices, but he should do so with the right motive. I believe that Job did the right thing for the wrong reason. That reason being that, in his heart, he feared what would happen if He didn't make those sacrifices. Not that he sinned, because it clearly says that he didn't. Job feared, and Satan carried out what Job feared. I think we both make a good case for either side, but I know from previous encounters that neither of us will convince each other of our beleifs. So I call for a truce on this issue for the time being. Jesified |
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25 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72210 | ||
Taffi Dollar and Billy Graham are slated as the speakers for a conference helt at Oral Roberts University later this month. I guess he hasn't noticed that these teachers are "severly lacking in sound Biblical preaching." Or that "Many of these "so-called" preachers are also outright heretics and even liars!" These leaders are the LORD's Anointed so I hope you know what you're saying. Jesified |
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26 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72227 | ||
BradK, I apologize for the sarcasm of my last post. I still slip on the whole "walking in love" issue now and then. I agree that we should not lift them up to the point where they do no wrong. Though we disagree elsewhere. Both of us are fairly well set in our ways and I believe it to be unfruitful to continue discussion. God bless, Jesified |
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27 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72228 | ||
Good point! I forgot all about that verse. I'm glad someone had the wisdom and presence of mind to bring it up while the rest of us are down here in the trenches defending preachers and doctrine. God Bless, Jesified |
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28 | No Joyce Meyer?????????????????? | Acts 17:11 | Jesified | 72367 | ||
Cyclist, Thanks for your well-wishing. I pray that the Lord blesses you with whatever you put you hand and that you seek him earnestly and whole-heartedly. I've seen and read about many healing lines where the people were given a similar command. One in particular where there were four individuals in wheelchairs. The preacher said something to the effect of "Get up!" or "Rise up and walk!" Three walked, the other said, "But I can't walk." The difference in these two types of people is that when given the command those who walked were both obedient and believed that they would be able to walk when they got to their feet. However, the individuals who are not healed looked at their symptoms and didn't act. The man at Bethesda got up and walked. He was obedient and must have believed that his legs would support him. If you don't believe that a bridge can hold you, do you walk out on the bridge? Of course not, so this man had to have believed that his legs would hold him before he got up. Jesified |
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29 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67594 | ||
I agree that Isaiah 53 is in reference to spiritual healing. However, in verse 4 when it refers to our infirmites I think of physical ailment, which leads me to believe that it is also about physical healing. The same blood that was poured out for our sins was also for our physical healing. In reguards to Ex 21:24, that was part of the Law that was set up for government before the Messiah came. When Jesus died, He redemed us from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:13). The Law is not just the 10 Commandments, it is the whole system that the Jews used to reconsile themselves to God. God has never changed how He deals with humanity, but He has clarified the basic element of how we are to deal with anything. The Law was put into effect so that we would have a model of how to deal with each other when situations arose because before Christ the Holy Spirit was not inside the Jews guiding them, so they needed a standard to refer to. Unfortunately, many Jews couldn't see that the central focus of the entire system was to walk in love, but that's a different subject. As for 2 Corinthians 12:7-9, Paul's thorn in the flesh is probably the most commonly misinterpreted subject in the Bible. When Paul says, "a thorn in the flesh," it is probably better translated to modern english as a "pain in the neck." There was a really good, in depth explanation of this on here the other day. If you can find it i suggest reading it, it's right on. Anyway, i'm not saying that Paul lacked faith. Paul's thorn, I believe, was the devil working so hard against him because Paul was doing the will of God. The devil won't persecute a spiritually lathargic Christian, he's got better things to do (such as causing dissention among those who ARE doing God's will). Finally, we need to define Biblical prosperity. Biblical prosperity is all of your needs being met with enough left over to put some extra in the offering with your tithe. Many times we confuse prosperity and wealth. Driving a Mercedes Benz, living in a big house, and wearing the finest clothes but not doing all you can for your brother or sister in Christ is not Biblical prosperity. Not to say that nice clothes, cars, and houses are wrong, but we must get our priorities straight. I don't believe that Jesus was wealthy, but I do believe that He was prosperous. Look at Matthew 9:13. If Jesus was not prosperous enough to feed Himself and the men who travled with him then how could the Pharasees say that the disciples never fasted. If He didn't have the money, then they would occasionally go without, which is not the case. Also, Jesus distinguishes Himself from the poor in Mark 14:7. Although I do agree that my reference in John 13 is an assumption, it is a logical course of reason. The Bible says to love thy neighbor, but does that mean that we stop with the house next to us? Of course not, you have to read into the intent of what the Holy Spirit is saying in these scriptures. I apologize if I have offended you, or come off as dogmatic, but I am simply trying to convey what I know to be the truth as best I can. Jesified |
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30 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67596 | ||
Steve, Believers might be healed of all ailments when they are saved, I'd love to see that. However, that's not exactly what I'd all the "proper application." Just as you would have to appropriate your salvation made available through the blood of Jesus, you must also appropriate you healing. We are saved because we believe that Jesus' blood has the power to atone for our sins. Likewise, we are healed because we believe that Christ bore our infirmities and in His blood is the power to heal us. Jesified |
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31 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67610 | ||
Jesus' primary mission was redemption. However, His "mission" had many other points. Showing us the Father, physical healing, and prosperity are other points of Jesus' ministry that, sad to say, are often ignored. Jesified |
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32 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67615 | ||
I think that you're exactly right when you say that us as Christians glorify God through giving to the poor. I'd love to see the world without poverty though. I don't think God wants anyone to suffer lack, the problem is that so often, our theology is so far of to one extremity or the other that we miss the basic point. God does not want His children to suffer a lack, the fact that there are poor among us just shows how we as Christians get too concerned with other things and forget to preach the gospel and love our neighbor. For example, in the Dark Ages, the Church of the was so concerned with protecting it's doctrine that not one missionary was sent out. It's sad to think of the number of souls that were lost due to the Church's preoccupation with technicalities and lack of love. Jesified |
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33 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67624 | ||
BradK, I'm sorry, I phrased that the wrong way. I didn't mean to say that the words are interpreted from the Greek wrong, I meant that the meaning itself is misinterpreted. "Thorn in the flesh" is Hebrew slang. As you know, slang can't be interpreted literally. If the shoe were on the other foot, Paul would probably have a difficult time interpreting some of our sayings. For example, "We were chilling in my crib." Now as a 19-year-old I interpret that as, "We were fellowshipping at my house." But if Paul, or even my grandfather, were to try to interpret that literally they would think that we were in low temperature where I used to sleep as a baby. As you can see, the point that I intended to convey is lost when it's meaning is not properly interpreted. I believe that is the case with 2 Corinthians 12:7-9. Jesified |
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34 | i want a in depth answer on romans 8:28 | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67625 | ||
My bad, I was mixing John 3:16 with 2 Peter 3:9, I'm glad that someone caught that. They are often quoted together in my church and I did't realize what I typed. I don't believe God to be supersticious and cross his fingers. However, if God did not intend for ALL of mankind to be redeemed then why were ALL the sins of the world put on Jesus? God is all knowing, why wouldn't he just put the sins of the people who would come to repentance? It's because Jesus did not die for only the Jews, or for only those who would believe in Him. God so loved the WORLD (John 3:16, that reference is right this time), not just the decentants of Abraham (both geneological and spiritual). To tell you the truth, I really don't know what to think of Romans 9. But I do know that God is love and that love does not divide by race or position. Pharoah's heart was probably not hardened because he was Egyptian or because he ruled over the Israelites. My best guess is that Pharoah was acting like the brother of the prodigal son. What I mean is Pharoah was probably thinking too highly of himself and jealosy and hatred for the Israelites, whom he more than likely considered lower than him, was welling up in his heart because he did not have even the most remote sense of love for them. As seen in 1 Corinthians 13:1-3, you can do the most nobel and spiritual acts, but with out love they are nothing. How much emptier is an act that is neither nobel nor spiritual and has not love? Jesified |
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35 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67641 | ||
First, I'd like to get a few misconceptions out of the way. I didn't mean to imply that all of the money that Jesus spent during His earthly ministry was all there in one lump sum. It may have been, but I don't think so and I don't believe that the Bible specifies that. Actually, with money constantly going in and out Judas would have a much easier time embezzeling. (by the way I found the reference for when Judas embezzeled it's John 12:6) I only said that it was Judas' only job because I haven't seen anywhere else in the scriptures where Judas was handling any other task, but that's really a minor detail. Second, when did Jesus become poor? Couldn't be at birth because as Matthew 2:11 says, He was given gold, frankinsence and myrrh, which were expensive gifts. You're right Jesus BECAME poor, but that wasn't until the cross when everything was taken everything from Him and the sins of the entire world were placed on Him. Also, think about Jesus' vesture. In three gospels, it says that the Roman soldiers cast lots for His vesture. Now, if the Roman's did not believe there to be anything special about Jesus, why would they want His vesture? The only logical conclusion that I come to is that it was a pretty nice article of clothing. With that in mind, where would a poor man get the money to buy nice clothes? Would Jesus have lived in poverity and spent the money it would have taken to have nice clothes? Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say that Jesus wore the Armani of His time. Somewhere it says that there would be nothing about His appearance that would attract us to Him, so they probably weren't lavish garments. However, they were probably well made garments that looked nice, not the rags of a pauper. Matthew 8:20 doesn't say that Jesus was homeless, it means that the ministry of Jesus was on the move. If it said that He was homeless then it would contradict the list of scriptures and translations following this that say He, in fact, did have a house. Matthew 4:12-13 (NIV) He lived in Capernaum. Matthew 9:1 (NIV) Jesus came to His own town. How do you have a home town if you don't have a home? Mark 2:1(NIV) Jesus came home. Again, how do you come home if you dont' have a home? The Williams and Wuest translations of these three verses also support the fact that Jesus did have a home. You're exactly right, we don't deserve anything but eternal damnation. But what about Psalm 103:10? It says that God doesn't give us what we deserve, that's mercy. Then you have to ask yourself, what's grace? Grace is God giving us what we don't deserve (ie salvation, healing, the means to supply our needs). I'm not saying that Jesus lived an extravagant lifestyle, but I am saying that His needs and the needs of those around Him were met. Jesified |
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36 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67643 | ||
The point I was getting at is that the FACTS of health and wealth are ignored. Yes, the idea of it is preached everywhere, unfortunately, that has resulted in people moving from one extreme to the other. In the 40's and 50's, it was the commonly held opinion that God wanted His people poor to teach them humility. That was eventually further perverted into the idea that God uses sickness to teach us lessons. If either of these were actually true then God would be guilty of child abuse. Now, churches have taken it to the other extreme. It's common place to think that God will supply every lust of the flesh. Although God will supply all our needs (Philippians 4:19) and even the desires of our heart (Psalms 37:4) we must remember that these needs and desires must be in line with God's word. For example, a cocaine addict needs cocaine, but God won't supply drugs to them because it harms them. Also, if the desire of you heart is a particular someone, He won't over-ride their free will just to satisfy the desire of you heart (which is more acurately lust). The scripture says to delight yourself in the Lord and the context is supporting the idea that you've got His word in your heart. When you've got God's word in your heart governing your thoughts and desires, unless you open the door to other desires, you don't even want something outside of the will of God. Jesified |
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37 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67648 | ||
Jesus did. Read Luke 4:14-21. The reference to which Jesus is referring is in Isaiah 61:1-2. Jesus stops reading half-way through the 2nd verse because it wasn't time for the other half yet. Also, we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8). Romans 10:17 says that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word. So when you hear the word of God pertaining to salvation preached it builds your faith to be saved. Likewise, when you hear the word of God concerning healing your faith for healing is built up. You've got to hear what God's word says on the matter, have faith or believe that He is willing and able to change your circumstances (be it for salvation or healing) and pray asking God for either your healing or to save your soul. To say that both must be instantaneous at the moment of beleif would say that the preacher gave a message embracing both spiritual and physical healing. And that the individual believed both truths at the same time. That's not uncommon. The problem is that most times the sermon is only on physical healing or only on spiritual healing and you're asking that we get (pardon the crudity of my expression) a strawberry-kiwi flavor out of just using strawberry juice or just using kiwi juice. Jesified |
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38 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67669 | ||
I apologize for not being 100 percent clear. Let me clarify what I've been saying because I know that this post was directed right at me. 1. Jesus was prosperous, not rich. He had the resources to provide for Himself and those around Him. However, it's not even remotely practical to think that He came down here and lived a lavish lifestyle when He could live comfortably and give to the poor. He had compassion on people (see Matthew 14:14, 15:32, 18:33). If Jesus had compasson but ignored the poor then how could John write verse 1 John 3:17? It doesn't click. Anyway, Jesus lived comfortably and gave to the poor. 2. Judas and Matthew were disciples, not stockbrokers, not inside contacts, disciples. Judas was in charge of the money, you can't deny that it says it in John 12:6. I recommend reading multiple translations of that verse because the KJV isn't as direct and obvious as most of the others. 3. Jesus had a house. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus had a mansion. If He did, which I highly doubt, He probably would have let the homeless stay in one of His 20 spare rooms and given them a chariot or two. Maybe even let them take one of those TVs when they felt they were ready to go out on their own. 4. Ok, the maybe the robe was valuable to the soldiers because they were poor. The point is not that it was gold plated and diamond encrusted, because it obviously wasn't. Isaiah 53:2 (best rendered in NIV) says that Jesus would look like your average Jew. I would say that His clothing would be part of His appearance, and lavish clothing would attract people. You can get a nice shirt at Wal-Mart for cheap (please don't assume that I'm saying Jesus shopped at Wal-Mart it's the principle that I'm trying to convey). I'm simply stating that Jesus did not wear a pauper's rags, but I'm not saying that He wore a golden raiment full of diamonds, rubies, and pearls. 5. In didn't say that God was abusing us by LETTING children become sick. I said God WOULD be guilty of child abuse (abusing us, His children) if He were the one who placed sickness and disease on us, which He doesn't for ANY reason. Your father is exactly right, anyone either clever or stupid enough can twist the Bible to mean whatever they want. However, you will see where the lies are when it comes to consistancy. If an interpretation is inconsistant, then either the circumstances of the two or more situations are different, or the interpretation is wrong. I honestly don't mean to argue. I just believe strongly in some of these truths. There's a saying, and I'm not sure where it comes from, but it reads, "When fishermen aren't fishing they're fighting." I take that to mean that if we become so focused on doctrine and principles we can forget that there's a world out there waiting to hear the gospel. With this in mind I advise everyone to search the Bible for their answers and to give them with love, keeping in mind that the purpose of this site is to ask and answer Bible questions. It is not a place for us to bicker and fight over our beleifs as many of us, myself included, are guilty of. I suggest that we each present what we believe to be the truth and if clarification is needed, or if you have a different view, then provide it. Let's try to concentrait more on what we agree with than what we don't, and put petty disputes behind us. Honestly, if Jesus was prosperous or poor, He still died for us. I think we need to keep our focus on Christ and the power of His perfect blood that redeemed us, not on arguing over technicalities. Jesified |
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39 | Why not Brothers? | 1 Cor 11:3 | Jesified | 67627 | ||
Exactly!! Also, since Jesus could not be corrupted by sin or sin nature He had to be born of a woman. The sin nature of man was passed from Adam to all of us through the blood line. Now, when a baby is being formed in it's mother's womb, the chromosomes of it's parents decide everything about it. This is so cool, don't miss this next point. The blood type is decided by the father's chromosomes. Therefore, Jesus had to be the Son of God to inherit His Father's blood line. This blood line was not corrupted by sin because there is no sin in God. Thus, the power of Jesus Christ that washes away sins and heals disease is found in the only completely pure and innocent blood ever on earth and that is the blood of God Himself. I just preached myself happy!! I hope this blesses you as much as it did me to type it. Jesified |
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40 | Should we ask God for the gift of tongue | 1 Cor 12:11 | Jesified | 111663 | ||
Paul's reference to tongues in 1 Cor 12:29-30 is public tongues. Not all of us are meant to operate in the gift of speaking in tongues publicly and I totally agree in that aspect, but you can still receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit to speak with tongues privately, ie between just you and God. You will notice that Paul also said that "I would that you all speak in tongues..." Why would Paul desire us all to speak in tongues if he knew that it was a direct contradiction to God's direction? You are exactly right, we should ask what the Word of God says, but because we're human all of us won't have the same interpretation of scripture, although we should. I meant agreeing or disagreeing with any preconceived notion of what Kenneth Hagin Ministries stood for. That was more of a lack of eloquence on my part. I was trying to suggest them because they are the best I've read on the subject. You are also right in saying that you can learn about tongues without reading a Kenneth Hagin book. I don't care what pipe the water comes from so long as it's clean water, if you now what I'm saying. God Bless, Jesified |
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