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Results from: Notes On or After: Thu 12/31/70 Author: DocTrinsograce Ordered by Verse |
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5621 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151561 | ||
Dear Not Yet, Are you thinking, perhaps, of the following? Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. (Philippians 4:5) I don't think it can be used for the purposes you intend, but it is the only verse I can think of that says anything close to being critical of doing things "to excess." In Him, Doc |
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5622 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151576 | ||
Dear Not Yet, You wrote, "You imply that I speak from personal feelings." Then the appropriate thing is to post is "There are many 'positions' in scripture, which cannot be proven absolutely. Please see (some biblical reference that states that there are many positions in scripture that can't be stated absolutely)." You wrote, "Though you may disagree, can you not see the validity of my words?" If I felt that your statement about "positions" were valid, I would agree. NYP, it is not that we mean to be disrespectful or demeaning. We are here to study the Word of God, not the opinions of men. Consequently, our statements must be substantiated by Scripture. If you take exception to what is stated, then cite a Scripture that demonstrates your point. There are many here that will be happy to be corrected, as we are not attempting to validate our personal views, but draw closer to the truth as revealed in the Word. (Proverbs 9:8) This is what is meant in Scripture by sound doctrine. In Him, Doc |
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5623 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151577 | ||
Dear NYP, I am sorry, but I cannot find any Scripture that affirms your definition of sin. In Him, Doc |
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5624 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151578 | ||
Dear NYP, You wrote, "just as in the days of the Apostles, there is so much division." There is also a great deal of unity. You will find, for example, that the Nicene and Apostolic Creeds, which articulate specific Scripture doctrines, are affirmed by very many people. Further, they have stood the test of time, under a great deal of Biblically based scrutiny. You wrote, "but no one can truthfully make the statement that there is any one particular individual who understands �all His communications, coherently an clearly,�" That is why we study, study, study. We do not avoid study because it might dishearten unbelievers are cause some kind of unspecified problems with new believers! On the contrary, we are commanded by God to study and learn! You wrote, "I simply do not believe that there is anyone on the face of the earth who fully understands the whole of the word of God." This assertion differs from your original objection. I have not had opportunity to examine the understanding of everyone on the face of the earth, so I am unable to affirm that position. However, I have the Word of God, a variety of tools, a large quantity of scholarly discussion, and a mind. I intend to use them so that I can come as close to a mastery of what God has graciously provided. A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels. (Proverbs 1:5) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. (Proverbs 1:7) I will post on the doctrines of Scripture in another month or so. We're still working through the order of salvation. In Him, Doc |
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5625 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151591 | ||
Hi, Angel! being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, (Romans 1:29) and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, (2 Peter 2:13) NYP was suggesting that the Bible said that anything done in excess was a sin. Although the things mentioned in those verses are certainly done in excess by the lost, even doing them in moderation would be sinful! Thank you, however, for the suggestions. In Him, Doc |
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5626 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151613 | ||
This is a ditto to Hank's remarks. | ||||||
5627 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151732 | ||
Dear NYP, Very good adages, aphorisms, and attitudes, to be sure. Nevertheless, we want to be as close to Scriptural truth as possible. Hone those research skills, NYP. You'll find they are commodities of great value to the forum! In Him, Doc |
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5628 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151769 | ||
Hi, Nyp! I think the old divines said it best when they wrote, "All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of ordinary means, may attain to a sufficient understanding of them." (2 Peter 3:16; Psalms 19:7; Psalms 119:130) They didn't leave it there, they also wrote, "The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself; and therefore when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched by other places that speak more clearly." (2 Peter 1:20, 21; Acts 15:15, 16) And, finally, my favorite, "The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved." (Matthew 22:29, 31, 32; Ephesians 2:20; Acts 28:23) In Him, Doc |
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5629 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151796 | ||
Dear NYP, Ignorance of the creeds is easy to remedy. I have never used the word "gibberish" in this forum until this very post -- you can also verify that fact very easily. Please don't put words in my mouth. 2 Timothy 3:7 is speaking of apostate, non-believers. To accuse someone of being outside of the will of God... indeed as one who is an active enemy of God... is a very, very serious charge! I have spoken kindly and respectfully, sir. I will choose to assume that you are simply one who fails to understand the implications of his own words, since the alternatives are far too unpleasant. It saddens me, but I find that interacting with you is failing to edify anyone. In Him, Doc |
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5630 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151830 | ||
Good Quote, Kalos! I wrote in another post that doctrine will divide for all eternity, since it will divide the goats from the sheep. In Him, Doc |
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5631 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 151886 | ||
Hi, MJH... I might add one minor codicil: The Rabbinical method of debate (and the Socratic one, for that matter) presuppose that actual answers will be forthcoming to the questions one poses. If one party or the other will not offer answers -- or abandons lucidity altogether -- it will not matter how well established a tradition of debate is being used: the truth will remain out of reach! (Proverbs 26:4-5) :-) In Him, Doc |
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5632 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163809 | ||
Dear Tim, Always interpret Scripture in the light of Scripture. God always has a remnant that are His (Isaiah 10:21). Obviously, therefore, Paul cannot mean by the word "Israel" in Romans 11:7 every single descendant of Jacob. That would end up excluding Paul himself. :-) Consequently, your question starts with a false premise. Redemption was at one time offered the world through Israel. Now, however, through Jesus Christ redemption is offered to all men. Election does not occur within the confines of time and space. "God hath decreed in Himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably..." The awesome thing is that the elect have obtained grace! Past, present, future. Its a done deal. Romans 11 stands very well in the midst of an entire book affirming that redemption is through faith alone, of grace alone, by Christ alone, to the glory of God alone. Scripture in the light of Scripture. :-) In Him, Doc |
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5633 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163815 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, You've repeated your original question. What can I do but repeat my answer? Clearly the elect can and will be grafted in... if any are grafted in, they are the elect... Read the chapter in the context of the whole book. Scripture is understood in the light of Scripture. In Him, Doc PS "Eternity past" means before time began. |
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5634 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163831 | ||
Yes... there's no such thing as "unelection." Taking the whole Scripture into account, what can we therefore say about Israel? | ||||||
5635 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163852 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, Israel as all of the descendants of Abraham: What is the full context? :-) What did Paul say regarding Israel in chapter 9? It is unlikely that Paul would contradict himself, especially in the same epistle. It is further impossible that Scripture contradict Scripture, unless one does not believe in inerrancy. I don't know of anyone who would contend that Romans 11 is prophetic in genre. The entire epistle, starting with its stated purpose in the first chapter, is didactic. The first verse of Romans 11 also asks the question that Paul is attempting to answer in the whole passage. Remember, he's explaining redemption to a predominantly Gentile church. Today we think of gathering in the Jews, who are outside of the church, into the fold. At the time that Paul wrote, there was still a predominant attitude that Christianity was a Jewish thing. Gentiles were quite concerned about how they fit into the scheme of things. Hence, Paul speaks of Israel through the entire epistle. Remember, "The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself; and therefore when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched by other places that speak more clearly. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; Acts 15:15, 1)" (1689 LBCF, chapter 1, paragraph 9). See my post #158836, Common Mistakes in Biblical Interpretation. When in doubt, always use Scripture to illumine Scripture. Empowered with that illumination, many a passage becomes more clear. Solid structures are built with more than a single brick. In Him, Doc PS "True and unfettered free will of man?" (Jeremiah 13:23; Matthew 6:27; 19:26) Man is described as being dead in sin, not just undecided in sin. |
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5636 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163867 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, The Scriptures use the following terms interchangeably: "Children of Abraham," "Seed of Abraham," "Children of Jacob," "Children of Israel," etc. The term Israel can mean either the descendants of Jacob, or the the nation, or the territories it was given by God. I didn't mean to confusion things that way. The error is the presumption that this verse is stating that none of Israel are the elect. What Tim presented is a logical fallacy called a false dilemma. I was referring Romans 9:27. Those saved are the elect. The elect are those who are saved. See Romans 8, another part of the context. Think in terms of the whole of Romans. What does it put in juxtaposition? Works and law versus faith and grace. Redemption is a work of God that spans history. From before the fall in eternity past to the time of glory. No one will ever come to salvation outside of Jesus Christ. God has a plan and that plan clearly includes Israel, as Paul assures us. But if any are saved it is only through the cross. In Him, Doc PS Thank you for your definition of "free will." Responsibility is a an attribute that exists regardless of what we choose. We are even responsible for those times in which we fail to choose! I'm even responsible for many choices of other people. So I'm not sure that that says all we can say about the will. This is a very involved subject. Truth is not simple or trite... it is profound... perhaps that's why we have God spending so much time to reveal it to us! :-) |
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5637 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163872 | ||
Dear Mark, You wrote, "How could they, that is, the hardened be later grafted in, if they were not of the elect?" Where does it say that everyone hardened is permanently hardened? Certainly that must be true for many, otherwise Paul wouldn't have talked about it. In any case, God saves at the perfect time so that it brings Him the most glory. If it serves His eternal purpose to harden a heart, only later to draw/drag that heart to salvation, that is His Sovereign choice. (His will is even more free than ours!) Puzzles seem inexplicable, sometimes, when you narrow your focus. When you back away, sometimes the bigger picture increases the clarity. Perhaps repetition of my answers will help with the repetition of questions: If someone is grafted in, they are the elect. If someone is the elect, they will eventually be grafted in. What's this thing with numbers have to do with the question? Is God bound by time? Or are you suggesting the doctrine of Open Theists? In Him, Doc PS Yes... every choice is our own. Yes, every man is responsible. Yes, each will die for their own sin. However, the sin of Adam is imputed to all humanity just as though they had done it themselves. However, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to those who are saved by grace just as though they had done it themselves. The latter "howevers" is called "double imputation." I'm really big on sound Biblical doctrine. :-) |
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5638 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163889 | ||
Dear Mark, I honestly can't see your conundrum. The book of Romans is such a finely logical and well structured treatise on the doctrines of grace! I can only encourage a thorough study of the book in its entirety. Its a real blessing! Perhaps, if you are really interested, it would be best for you to level this charge of inconsistency to John MacArthur himself. I just found that a search of his name associated with this verse yields quite a volume of potential research material. (As an aside, I noticed that John Piper has things to say about it as well.) No doubt he explains himself with much greater perspicuity than I have done! Regarding the statement, "No one will be condemned at the Great White Throne for Adam's sin. Each will be judged according to their own works." I can offer no argument -- although you'd probably disagree with my reasons for agreeing with you. :-) The doctrine of original sin having been extensively discussed on the forum many times, I've no doubt that it will find itself argued about many times again. I've posted the orthodox Christian position on this doctrine several times... not much more to add, there. In Him, Doc PS I'm glad you're not an Open Theist. Whew! Have those guys got issues! |
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5639 | Adams sin? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163890 | ||
"You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of text and commentary but of doctrine. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of sola scriptura. That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Study Bible Forum!" | ||||||
5640 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163914 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, Sometimes it is sufficient to give a person a piece of bread. Sometimes they need to receive it in a masticated form. However, when the wheat needs harvesting, stone ground, baked, and pre-digested, time becomes an important factor. Time is one of the most valuable commodities that we are given for use in the Kingdom. We must carefully evaluate how it is used. When we discern that an investment will yield an adequate return, we put the time in and look for the yield. When we discern otherwise, we shift our attention to more productive areas. We must make every effort to wisely use the time God has given us as a good steward. I apologize for contributing to the poor investment of time that this discussion has represented to you. I thought that repeated assertions simply called for repeated answers. I am sorry that my efforts have caused you only rancor. I do, also, look forward to moving on to things that will yield a higher return. :-) In Him, Doc |
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