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1 | speaking with the tongue? | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178817 | ||
Thank you very much for your kind explanation and for your kind suggestions. I am a person who was mearly trying to find a Christian forum, I just automatically presumed that people who posted and discussed on this forum just automatically had the faith in the bible's teachings. My goal was not to argue, but to transmit my love for the Word of God. It would seem the mistake is all mine because I did not wish to adress people of other denominatins than my own. I will mearly move on to were the Spirit brings me, since I am not a baptist, my faith and my explanation of the Gift of the Holy Spirit as an Evangilical Chirstian of the Pentecostal denominations just does not seem to be understood on here. My goal on here was not to present an argumentative stance, but mearly to transmit the pertinant answers to a very pertenant questioning on something I just happen to do when ever the Spirit moves me to do so during an average day, and to present the questioner with the biblical scriptures that accompany it... Of course, if one is not in the same faith as my own, one would tend to misconscrew my answers as argumentative and as an inviation to debate. Which it is not. I shall do before leaving what has been requested of me, to present who I am. You may read about who I am in my profile by clicking on my name. Be blessed all... * You understand that the Forum does not provide the advantage of live, personal interaction. Therefore, the use of humor or extreme brevity in a written message could sometimes be misunderstood and, at times, cause frustration, discouragement or conflict with others and should therefore be avoided. |
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2 | Understanding being saved. | 2 Tim 2:15 | Liliesofthefield | 178280 | ||
Here is verses pertaining to accepting the mercy of God by the salvation through Christ as mentionned above, followed by the impardonnable sin against the Holy Ghost remains to this date, and healing are still with us todate: Accepting mercy through salvation by Christ: Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:2 Wherein, in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh, in the children of disobedience Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Eph 2:5 when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us ther with Christ, by (grace ye are saved;) Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. The Holy Ghost is still on this hearth and is in us. Hence the unpardonnable sin against the Holy Ghost is still possible: Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Joh 14:13 And whatsoever, ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified. (...) John 14:16 And I will pray my father that he shall give anothe5213 another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him but ye know him for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you. John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Healing of sick continues to this day: Then he called his twelve disciples together,and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. (...) Luk 9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing everywhere. |
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3 | Understanding being saved. | 2 Tim 2:15 | Liliesofthefield | 178271 | ||
The Concise Oxford Dictionary: blasheme: talk "impiously", utter "profanity" about, "revile". The Concise Oxford Dictionary: impious: not pious, wicked, profane. The Concise Oxford Dictionary: profane: treat (sacred thing) irreverance or disregard, violate, pollute (what is entitled to respect). The Concise Oxford Dictionary: revile: talk by ill name, abuse, rail at Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up, into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. |
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4 | What did you learn | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178233 | ||
I maintain and reiterate, the first question posed to me, fails to draw any logical link to the subject of tongues and the speaking in tongues. So, I'n not trying to argument, but I present my opinion on the matter. And the subsequent link formed by the next interlocutor, lengthens the discussion... and the failing of the first persons out of context discussion just confuses the issue at hand. Since we are all thinking, I will try to discuss the mater further with you, but I will maintain the context that is to argue with God. An I have been offering biblical support. The rest is but argumentivive, since biblical support has been offered and submitted. As far as linking 1 Cor. 1:29 which is to be taken into this context: that, when they hear the Children of God speaking in tongues, they then think them crazy, etc., 1Co 1:27 comes to explain the spriritual significance of that they are not crazy etc, this is a "sign of the glory of God and not of men", and that is why these people in particalar spoke in tongues: 1 Cor.1:28, 29 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are 1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. That no flesh so glory in his presence, come to support the spiritual notion to render all glory to God and not the understanding and intellegence of man. So, that the speaking of tongues does not come from man's intelegence and works, but comes form God's. And how does it link or relate to Acts 2, well the Pentecost had been giving to the apostles, so that Jesus leaves with them a consolor, the Holy Spirit. Let us be reminded that the Holy Spirit God - God the Father, God the Sun and God the Holy Ghost... There where there present, people from many nations, being there had been a great assembly, many came from far to be with the disciples and the apostles. Upon hearing them speak in tongues a discussion ensued and questioning on what caused these men, apparently not that high cast in society to speak thus in languages that these people from a large variety of places could understand what they spoke, each in their own languages, native tongues. It is not of their own personal education or background, these men, were but ordinairy fishemen and the like, and yet they were heard speaking in many languages, those of people present. It was a sign!!! Back then, these comments and adjectives, such as vile, crazy etc. were given most especially to christians. And God wants the world to know that, these people called crazy, where not crazy, and that they were given this gift to confound the wise of the world, with a gift of the Holy Spirit who is not of this world. Also, when we speak of these things happening for the glory of God, I am reminded of the battle we lead, we are not fighting the men are would say they are wise etc., we are fighting the principalities and the dominitions, etc., of this world. It is not for our own glory , but for the glory of God. Yes the Spirit of God will be spread on all, who invoques the name of the Lord will be saved. Hope I answered you properly, and to your satisfaction, if not, perhapes you can be a bit more specific. Because being view as being foolish and wise... etc. both of the flesh and of God, as far as I'm concerned I have just answered as clearly as possible. But if you feel I have not, I invited you to further discussion on the matter. |
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5 | tongues? | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178171 | ||
For reasons of brevety I invite you to read the chapters I will provide you with, in its full length. But here are but a few key verses that should sommerize the answer to your request for biblical support. I also invite you to read the entire subject pertaining to the question on tongues and speaking in tongues here in this forum, for it would be to lengthy here to present you with an entire thesis on the matter. Might I remain available for further discussion if need be? Cause this is a long subject to answer, but here we go, brevety!!! The Biblical support to the confounding of the language, and then to abraham's being promissed adoptive children, and Paul's own ministry with the gentils. You can appreciate if I was to cover the entire gamet of these we would be here reading on for hours on end, hey... The confounding of the language at Babel Biblical Times: Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. Where as before they all spoke one tongue, they now had different languages and nations, and family because it was the will of God: Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Even with God having confonded langue, He still wanted us to know about Him and what he is all about and what he does for us: Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time, that it was, there am I and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Isa 48:17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. Isa 48:18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea. Isa 48:19 Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me. Isa 48:20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob. By faith Abraham brings forth numerous children: Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore, innumerable. Paul, the apostle, declared that his office was that of the office: Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as,am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: And why hearing and understanding the teachings of God in our own language? Why would they speak the Word of God in our own language? Because: Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. |
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6 | I desire the gift of tongues how 2receiv | 1 Cor 12:11 | Liliesofthefield | 178130 | ||
Though God does say we are to aspire to the best gifts, it does not mean that we must aspire solely to just and only the first gift on the list. Nor does it mean that we will never be able to receive more than just one of those gifts. I would simply not do spiritualy, either, to accuse one persone of not having one of those gifts as being not in the Holy Ghost, nor would it be more ok spiritually to accuse one pesonne who may demonstrate having many of the gifts as being "more into the Holy Ghost". Because, it is written in 1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh, with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 1Co 14:12 Even so ye, for as much as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 1Cor. 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all 1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. It is wrong for one persone to have one gift and then to accuse his bretheren of not having it. But there is nothing wrong in praying and edifying one's bretheren in Christ to aspire to a gift: Rom 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Rom 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbor for his good to edification. Rom 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. |
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7 | speaking with the tongue? | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178108 | ||
Yes!!! I am very glad you underline these two major seperate issues pertaining to 1. the tongues and 2. the speaking in tongues. Though it is the very same gift, it is done in two different ways. 1. By speaking different langues, and then 2. In speaking the language of the Angels. I've been trying uneloquiently to express these language differences oftened observed in the bible and in those who speak in tongues and in those who have the gift of tongues. I prayed for help in explaning this, and there you are!!! So, I am very happy to read you today, because you manage this much better than I could have ever done so. I thank you!!! The gift of tongues can be manifest in two seperate and distinct ways and yet, it is all the same gift and the same Spirit. 1. the various kinds of tongues as we are told in 1 Cor. 12: 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, "diversities of tongues". The "diversities of tongues", for example, is what I am doing now. It refers to the confounding of language at the Babel Biblical time: i.e. as a french speaking person I am trying to type all this out in English, while communicating the Word in a different language than in my mother tongue. The key word here is the word "diversity"... In other words, it is the speaking in the langue of men... 1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not, but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad 1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all That is diversity of tongues, we come from different languages, nations from around the World, yet we are able to talk about one Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This gift is not limited to prophecy only, it is also so the Body of Christ can understand itself, because of the confounding of laguage that took place during Babel Biblical times. We talk of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in divers languages, yet its all the same Gospel. That is the "diversity of the language, diversity in tongues, etc... But then, lest we omit to mention here that, 1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. The above verse refers to when we are limited by our humaness, the Holy Spirit takes over and prays through us, for us... In other words, when our faith reaches its humain limitations, the Holy Spirit carries us further onward... Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost 1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. |
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8 | speaking with the tongue? | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178107 | ||
Be blessed S : Well, actually we can come up with exalting God, yes, and then we can say some prophecising was present and manifest also, yes ofcourse... But, I guess i'd like to add that understanding how the Hopy Spirit and the speaking in tongues work and how to recognize it, that we remind ourselves to not drink just the milk that we can find in the shadow of the light, but to also eat of the meat givin to us bye the light. Paul himself talks about the dangers of the legalistics that Peter himself had to deal with at the time of the Biblical Church. I'm talking speciafically about "how one can receive the Holy Spirit, and who can receive it". This is Peter's teaching on the Holy Spirit to his bretheren: Act 10:44 While Peter spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. It is not written here that there was laying of hands, though it can be giving that way. In this instance, the Holy Spirit fell upon these people by simply and mearely just hearing the word of God itself !!! Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as, we? Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. |
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9 | tongues? | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178106 | ||
Well, yes, and why wouldnt God chose to communicate through His inerrant, inspired, authoritative Word without tongues!!! But the "God being God" theorem does not necessarily forego what God has done, and why he does it, because God being God, well sometimes His wisdom just surpases us all, even me included!!! Here I am a french speaking person, somehow writting all this in English. And why not? We can read in Gen. 11:9 that God, in his wisdom, had to confond language: Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. God, in His wisdom, did create nations: Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Speaking in tongues can be incomprehensible langage to you and me, and it can be also made comprehensible, and for specific reason of course. We can read this in Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 1Co 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other, lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. The reason why God gives the gift of tongues is: 1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. The speaking in tongues is for edification of the Church: 1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church become together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all 1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. 1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. So, as we can see, sometimes God just has a good reason for doing things like encouraging us to talk in tongues... |
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10 | What did you learn | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178100 | ||
And I still ask, how can an offer of scripture study, totally dropped out of the blue, totally taken out of the initial question at hand, accuse me of not being cooperative in discusssing the bible. I reiterate, I am open to discussing one subject at a time, not 2, 3 or 4 subjects pertaining to subjects taken totally out of context. Droping discussions out of subject, is contensuous in itself, and is not in the Holy Spirit at all... Is it not simply more loving and more condusive to a discussion in the Holy Spirit for the interloccutor to simply start a new topic or question, rather than bring a person who attemps to reply in an honest fashion to an entirely different question, to study an argumentive question pertaining to argumenting ones spiritual worthyness, and them in another contentuess topic even more so diverting from the Holy Spirit bring the respondee to another persons religious teachings, not on the subject of tongues and even less on the subject of the speaking in tongues, but rather accuse the person of failing to cooperate and study the bible. Sorry, I was under the empression that this was an Evangilical Christian forum, open to discussion the not only the Bible, but also the teachings of Christ. And since I thought there was an honest question out there on the table, I just wanted to answer the question according to the Evangelical Christian's teaching. And I certainly did not intend to position my response in a non-believer's, non-biblical knowledge point of view. If this is what you expecte of me, to take a stance as a week Christian with week knowled of the Bible, than this forum is most certainly not my place and I leave you with clear sailing and I shall go where to Spirit brings me If failing to be brought out of context and into a subject totally out of subject matter is a subject of contension to you, and if failling to be brought into a teaching subject to distroy a very valid biblicall text is sign of contension for you, than what can I say more, than be blessed and let us pray on the matter, shall we? |
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11 | What did you learn | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178035 | ||
I appreciate you taking this time to comment and all, except that I would like to know if you are an owner of this forum and if you are thus a morderator. You fail to understand, I am new on this forum and you just simply introduce yourself to me with a such a comment implying you have this authority on deciding ive nothing to contribute on the subject of tongues or on the speaking of tongues and then you just simply state I am infringing on the terms of you of this forum etc., etc., etc. and you state that I am not demonstrating the work of the Holy Spirit in my life in a convincing fashion. You are not only pontificating on the mater, your note to me implies you have this authority. So apparantly, according to the way you place and formulate your note, you state that you have baned me and barred me from adressing the subject of tongues and the speaking in tongues thereoff. Am I correct in stating your note means to your are in such of position to do so? If so, I think you could at the very least let me know, because I dont even know you at all from the word go!!! |
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12 | Understanding being saved. | 2 Tim 2:15 | Liliesofthefield | 178032 | ||
Actually, since I mention doing a biblical research, give me a bit more time please, and I'll submit for your reading some biblical examples. Meanwhile, I think it would be very spiritually uplifting if we would all try finding some. I'm trying to think if there are books on the subject but just cant think of any at the moment. Except to ask, isnt the Bible an entire book on to itself on this subject? So, give a bit more time to compile and present the biblical examples on the matter... :) | ||||||
13 | What did you learn | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 178007 | ||
I doubt very much I am not contributing to dialogue on the subject. Sorry u feel this way, what I am underlying is the lack of connecting the two subjects in the first comment adressed to me. Plus I am interested in discussing on the subject I have answered in the first place. Plus, I dont feel I should be made to go off on tangents that are simply not in my own personal faith, nor do not relate to my personal faith. In my faith, we speak in tongues, so, sorry if I refuse to be brought out of my own personal faith. I have answered a question as honestly and as true to my own faith, and have provided the biblical text to support it. So sorry if some do not adhere to it. Up to you to pray on it, or not. |
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14 | Understanding being saved. | 2 Tim 2:15 | Liliesofthefield | 178006 | ||
Well, actually, i did give the biblical text pertaining to the exhistence of the blaspheme against the Holy Spirit in comparison to just the other sins who are fogivable. As far as biblical text examples per say in which there is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, well, one would have to begin by understanding what is "the blaspheme against the Holy Spirti". Then, one might consider the text pertaining to the entire fall of the angels from Heaven, the text are numerous and I would invite you to do a good biblical research on the fallen angels themselves. Because they are the example by prediliction about unforgiven sin and the sentence they fall under. |
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15 | What did you learn | Bible general Archive 3 | Liliesofthefield | 177987 | ||
You coments and scripture quoting just fell out of the blue!!! And what i was answering to the person who initially asked the question pertaining to tongues, was directly pertaining to tongues and to the speaking in therefore... Just coming up with out of the blue quotes of scriptures and invitations to bible studies with you, is in fact a confronttion, since it is out of context to the subject being discussed... So, since I have time and energy to discuss the subject of tongues and the speaking in tongues, i invite you to open your own subject and questions, and discussions, and to not change the subject. Hope to read you in the future in your very own subjet and discusions and questions. Be blessed... |
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16 | what is the job of the holy spirit | Luke 11:13 | Liliesofthefield | 177841 | ||
Well, it is not "I" that arrives at such a conclusion, it is Jesus himself who teaches this and who offers the Holy Spirit as a comforter and as the teller of truth". I put all of my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the one who said it, Jesus Himself said this to his apostles!!! Jesus himself calls the Holy spirit the "Comforter and the teller of truth", I also provided the Bible scriptures in which Jesus spells it out!!! Here are the scriptures in which you may revise what Jesus Himself has said to His apostles: John 14:26, 15:26, 16:7 and 16:13 Be blessed Kalos and good Bible reading!!! |
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