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61 | Where are the nine? | Luke 24:19 | Aixen7z4 | 120725 | ||
Amen! But we need to hear more. Jesus on trial today we can see Thousands deridingly ask, "Who is he?" Multitudes follow him, seeking a sign Show them his mighty works. Where are the nine? |
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62 | How does one respond to this? | John | Aixen7z4 | 102764 | ||
Does anyone have a scripturally sound method for dealing with contumelious questions, and with the obsequious immolations that may have innocently been given in response? | ||||||
63 | Can we not ask God to forgive another? | John | Aixen7z4 | 150946 | ||
We do have clear instruction from the Lord to pray for those who hurt us (Matthew 5:44). Please say what you think we should pray for in such cases. I must say I am surprised to hear that we are not authorized to pray that God would forgive them. It is true that we do not have the position of our Lord Jesus Christ; he is God. But was Jesus not acting in his humanity when he made his petition? After all, he did not grant the forgiveness in this situation, but asked the Father to do it. Did not Stephen do the same thing (Acts 7:60) when he prayed, “Lord, lay not this sin to their charge”? And wasn’t Paul expressing the same desire, (in 2 Timothy 4:16) that God would forgive those who would not stand with him during his trial? It seems quite admirable that this person wants to encourage a resolution of the matter at hand, and since the original questioner is having difficulty, it seems appropriate that they be encouraged to pray. But again, what should they pray for? They could have prayed for vengeance. That is preferable to taking it themselves (Romans 12:19) since God has said that is his job (Deuteronomy 32, etc.). Paul prayed for a just recompense for Alexander (2 Timothy 4) and certainly there is a lot in the Psalms of asking God to punish the enemies. It seems the more humane and loving thing to do, to pray that the person would find forgiveness. We are asked to forgive those who trespass against us (Matthew 6) but there is also the requirement that the person repent and ask for that forgiveness (Luke 17). One may say, then, that there is no such thing as forgiveness in the absence of repentance. And who can grant repentance. It is only God, as far as I know (Acts 11:18). I would assume that the one who asks God to forgive someone else is implying a request that God grant that person repentance, without which not even God can forgive that person (Luke 13). It may be said that it in some sense it is not our forgiveness that a person needs, but God’s. A person may trespass against us, and we should forgive them if they repent, but all sin is really against God (Psalm 51) and it is God’s forgiveness that the person really needs. If we really care about the person, and I assume that this person cares about their father, they would desire that God find a way to forgive him of his sins. We do not know what the offense is in this case, but the questioner is having difficulty to forgive the offender. Is it because he has not repented? Is it because the person feels they have been hurt too deeply? Is it because they fear it might happen again? It seems impossible to even suggest a solution when there is such a dearth of information. But it does seem appropriate to ask the person to pray. Not only Jesus, but also Stephen and Paul prayed that God would forgive another, and I am inclined to believe that we can as well. |
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64 | What would Jesus have you do? | John 4:14 | Aixen7z4 | 102977 | ||
In such an awkward situation, what would Jesus do? I note that he did not even sprinkle the man on the cross next to him. But in my travels I have seen so many different things, I wonder if it is Jesus directing them. And now you have reported what you did, that was satisfactory to both you and that dear sister. But believers do not agreed on these things. The people you fellowship with did not agree with you. What did they think you should do? I imagine they would have you do nothing. But you did not feel comfortable with that, especially because the lady wanted to do something. So you did what you did, but you continue to feel uncomfortable. You ask for thoughts. Here is another thought to consider. People baptize in different ways, to say the least. One which disturbed me was to see a pastor ask the person to walk beyond him in the water and baptize herself. He watched as she went down and came up, alone, untouched by hand. Now, in your situation how would you feel about that sister baptizing herself? How could she do that, you ask. You take a doll to represent her and a container of water. You have her to baptize the doll, or you do it for her. If she did it herself, or if you did it with her, then her hand would get wet and you would not have to sprinkle her. As you know, “sprinkle” and “baptize” are two different things. I assure you I am sincere and not being facetious. Fearful of being attacked, but not facetious. I have not seen this being done, but I would not be surprised to see it. What do you think? |
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65 | How do we understand these words? | John 6:63 | Aixen7z4 | 122128 | ||
The single sentence in John 6:63 may be exceptional in the number of thoughts it brings together. How can we possibly understand it or properly respond to it? It seems ironic that Jesus is saying it is only through the Holy Spirit that we can understand it. And yet, the people who were hearing him were not understanding. Many of his disciples, when they had heard (his preceding statements), had said, “This is an hard saying; who can hear it?” (John 6:60). I am not sure that Jesus made it any easier when he said, “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63). It seems that the people became exasperated. They walked away (v. 66). The translators are wide apart on their renderings: NKJV It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. NIV The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. (GW) Life is spiritual. Your physical existence doesn't contribute to that life. (LITV) It is the Spirit that gives life. The flesh does not profit, nothing! (YLT) the spirit it is that is giving life; the flesh doth not profit anything; (MSG) The Spirit can make life. Sheer muscle and willpower don't make anything happen. (WEB) It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. (NASB) It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; . (AMP) The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. They all have “The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life”, but what does that mean? (NLT) It is the Spirit who gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. Once again I find myself appreciating the NLT as I see how it uses context to bring out meaning. Thank God for it. But the question remains: What was the Spirit doing in this case? On this occasion, He seems to be keeping the people from understanding (as in Romans 11:25). Later, on the day of Pentecost, He would help people to hear words spoken in another language as if it had been spoken in their own language (Acts 2:8), and they would understand and believe and be saved. I wonder what happens here, today, when people do not understand, and turn away. What role is the Spirit playing? One’s attention is riveted every time that God or Jesus asks the question “Why …?”, And in John 8:43 he asks, “Why do ye not understand my speech?” Amazingly, this seems to have resulted in a stalemate. He said they were of the devil, and they said he had a devil. That time, they did not simply walk away. They took up stones to stone him. They had not understood his words. Jesus was full of the Spirit, but the Spirit was not in them to resonate and give meaning to his words. Today, we have the Holy Spirit. But do we understand those words? |
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66 | How can I glorify God? | John 12:28 | Aixen7z4 | 105735 | ||
How can I glorify God? Sometimes it seems I can do so by simply being. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. As Shakespeare’s Hamlet noted in amazement: “What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form, in moving, how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god!” And yet, he asks, “And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust?” “Man delights not me”, he says. God made man in his own image. All things, including man, all things in heaven and in earth were made by him, and for him. God wants to take pleasure in us, and we are supposed to show forth his glory. And yet God has to strive with man. And God says in Genesis 6:3, “My spirit shall not always strive with man”. And God says (Isaiah 45:9) “Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker!” “Drop down, ye heavens, from above”, He says, “and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together”. “Let righteousness spring up”. So I would yield myself to please him, to glorify him. But how can I do that? He is at work within me to will and to do his good pleasure. But even now there are stirrings within me to things and to say things that will accomplish the opposite. How can I glorify God? |
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67 | Would a gentle spirit work? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 103864 | ||
I have an idea what the person meant by that, and I would like to try it out. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 3 that God has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life. We are ministers, and we have to minister to people in need. The person who quoted that statement had already exposed his need. There is also a possibility that he felt his need. How should we have ministered to him? We gave him the word, and every jot and tittle of what we said was correct. But we said it in a manner which he did not find acceptable. Could we have said it with a different spirit? Is it possible he would have accepted the truth if it had been presented with a gentler spirit? Now, here’s the test. Can you accept the suggestion presented here? I do not wish to make this a complicated issue by going into the exact meaning of 2 Corinthians 3:6. I hope we do not discuss Law and Grace at this time. Let us say that the person referred improperly to this statement (though I do believe that there are elements of it that would apply). I have observed that the experts on this forum have a certain rough way of dealing with people who are weak or wrong, and even when they seem to be either. In turn these people often say, as this person said, “I believe it has come time to part ways”. That means they are leaving, and they do. Is there no room on this forum for those who are weak? Is there not opportunity for us to come forward “in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth” ? Is it possible that people would accept the truth if it is been presented with a gentler spirit? Now, here is the test again. I trust it is being presented with a gentle spirit. Can you accept the suggestion presented here? |
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68 | Are we listening to each other? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104044 | ||
God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not. "Double posting" is just one device we use to try to get a point across. The only purpose of this second of a "double post" is to encourage us to listen to each other. This is obviously hard to do. Those who want to lift up the name of Jesus will not listen because something tells them that they should. Can't we listen to them? Psalm 34:3 allows them to lift him up that. Exalting him and praising him are the same thing. “Exalt ”equals “Lift up”. It is the same thing. "Exalt" is the same as "lift up". The idea is to talk or sing about how great God is. And please don’t say we do not need to do that. Many scriptures encourage us to do that. Our brothers and sisters want to do that and here they tell their reasons. Their main reason is they want unbelievers to hear how great God is and to be attracted to him. That idea is soundly scriptural. Can’t we listen to them? I suggest that we need to read the passages cited and just think a little bit. Swift to hear. Slow to speak. That is what we are encouraged to do. The idea of lifting up Jesus is a scriptural idea. But it is not the kind of lifting up that Jesus was speaking of in John 12:32. Can't we just admit that? Lift him up. But use other scriptures. To insist that the idea is in contained John 12:32 forces us to focus on the cross and to rejoice and feel shame at the same time. It impels others to talk about crucifying him again and bringing him to an open shame. It causes one to wonder whether conversations like this do not bring him to an open shame. What if an unbeliever comes on to read his thread? What are they to think? And yet, some tell me that our 7-11 songs are not lifting up Jesus at all. (I only learned recently that that is what they call some of our songs, where we sing seven words eleven times and there’s no substance to it). "Lord, I lift your name on high". Does that mean that we are lifting his name on high? If I say, "I am preaching the gospel" does that statement constitute a preaching of the gospel? Contrast that with the psalms. Psalm 34:3 "O magnify the LORD with me". That is the call, only the call, the alarum, the alert. "Let us exalt his name together". That is only another alert. It is a "Get ready". Psalm 34:4 "I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears". Now, that is substance. That is praise. Now, we are lifting him up. Psalm 34:5ff "They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed. This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them". That is praise. That is saying good things about him. And do you wonder why we need to do it? It is first of all to give him his due. He says (Psalm 50:23) "Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me". He is pleased with it. Not with empty words that say, "I am lifting you up". Lift him up with words that tell of the character he has and the actual things he has done. If you read Psalm 103, Psalm 104, Psalm 136, you cannot help but see that there is substance there. We need to have more than "I am singing, I am singing". Psalm 34:8 "O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him". This is where we invite the unbeliever to listen. It is his invitation to trust. It is the second reason we lift him up. We lift him up in song. That means we sing about his great deeds, and how wonderful he is. We want our unsaved neighbors to know that. That is one reason we lift him up. Please listen to them and do not accuse them of bad things. But they need to listen also. If it has not been said before, I say this here: Put some substance into the songs. Don’t just say you are lifting him up. Lift him up. Talk of the things he has done. Describe how wonderful he is. But I wonder if you will listen. You used to sing, "O Lord my God, when I with awesome wonder, consider all the worlds thy hands have made. I see the stars. I hear the rolling thunder. Thy power throughout the universe displayed. Then sings my soul, my Savior God to thee, How Great Thou art! ..." But you have abandoned songs like that for songs that say you are praising God when that is all they say. This is not a put down. It is the truth. And I am suggesting here that you listen. I am not suggesting that you listen to me. I am suggesting that you listen to yourselves. And listen to each other. |
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69 | Where have all the old songs gone? | John 12:32 | Aixen7z4 | 104835 | ||
I hesitate to return to this subject. I understand that there is some problem among Christians about the music being used in church. I imagine there are threads on this forum discussing this issue. I have not looked at them. However, I have spent the last several days listening to the modern music on the radio. I confess that I feel the same, that the majority of these songs are shallow. I can understand that these people, I guess they are young people, enjoy listening to these songs. It is my understanding that non-believers also enjoy them. The emotion in the voices seems to indicate that the singers feel something, and I can imagine that the listeners do as well. I have one question. Why do these stations play all of the new songs and none of the old songs? I have noticed that some stations specialize in the old songs. Yet some of the new songs graduate to their play list. I want to say that this makes sense. They listen to the songs very carefully and finally choose them, not as a group but one by one. I imagine that the words, the tunes, the beats, the lifestyles of the authors all play a part. It’s like a canon of songs being established. Let them first be proved. Test all things, hold on to that which is good. I do not see anyone being against the new songs as such. But why are some discarding all the old songs? I employ singing in my counseling and I have many song books in my offices. But I find that the young people do not know the songs in any of the hymnbooks. It seems to me that if the older folk are willing to sing some of the new songs, the young people should be singing some of the old songs. Can it be that they don’t find them to be meaningful? I hesitate to name songs here, but the old songs cover a wide spectrum, from classical Bach and Handel types to Southern gospel bluegrass types. There are songs among them that have brought tears to our eyes and weakness to our knees. The modern songs generally lift us to our feet, and bring us to rejoicing. Is it that the young people do not feel the need to cry or to kneel? I am aware that there are some among us who believe only the 150 psalms should be sung. Are there also some who believe that only the modern songs should be sung? I visit many churches. The ones with hymnbooks sing a few of the new songs. The ones with the projectors and no hymnbooks sing none of the old songs. Please, please, please, please. Think with me and wonder why. I am not saying that all our songs have to be deep. We have always had choruses for the children, and we have sung with them. But for some of our churches I wonder where growth and maturity is reflected in the songs we sing. This is not meant to spark any debate. It is not a matter of right and wrong. But there has been a shift, it seems, and a change is taking place, and part of it is reflected in they songs we sing. |
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70 | Are these words for today? | John 13:35 | Aixen7z4 | 106626 | ||
In some ways John 13:35 seems to be a proof text for our faith. Jesus seems to be saying the fact that we love one another is proof we are his disciples. What when we do not show love for one another? Does that prove we are not his disciples? What when other groups, un-believers, non-believers, show love for one another? The previous verse is a commandment that we love one another, and Jesus seemed to be counting on the fact we would. One wonders what all men would know if we didn't. Jesus prayed, "That they all may be one ...: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me...; that they may be one, even as we are one:..., that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me". One wonders whether God would have to go to some other proofs, depending on our behavior. The Muslims and the Moonies think he did. |
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71 | Then love is a litmus test? | John 13:35 | Aixen7z4 | 106678 | ||
John does give criteria for judgment, does he not? “Believe not every spirit”, he says, “but try the spirits to see whether they are of God.” What then do you make of those in our midst who show no love? John says, “We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren”. Does that mean some brethren, or all the brethren? Does it mean “Us four and no more”, or does it mean all the brethren? Who is my brother anyway? Is he the one who looks like me or talks like me or makes me feel good? I think I am talking about some things we see among professing Christians. John’s words seem to be an acid test. “He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him”. Yet who dares suggest to a person that he’s not saved because he is not showing love? He will say he is saved and he will even say he’s showing love, tough love or something. Some deride the idea of love altogether, choosing instead the criterion of truth. But it seems there are objective ways to perceive love. “Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren”. Some of us are unwilling to sacrifice anything, least of all our lives. There are objective ways to perceive love. A person may say he loves. “But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?” But one may ask, “Who is my brother?” And everyone has those whom they would help. But would they help him simply because he is a brother? All these questions really amount to one question. Is there such a thing as a saved person admitting that he does not have love toward certain other saved people? Or would such an admission mean he is not saved? What then? Does he try to show love? Or does he repent of his sinfulness and seek salvation? A person sometimes wonders if he is saved. A person often wonders if the other person is saved. Is not love for the brethren a litmus test? How does a person know. John says, “We know because we love”. Jesus had said, “By this shall all men know”. |
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72 | How do you say "repent" gently? | Acts 3:26 | Aixen7z4 | 96932 | ||
How do you explain the concept of repentance to a person who is not saved? The word "Repent" may seem harsh and demanding; it may even have connotations of condemnation. And yet, it has its place in a presentation of the Gospel. It is, along with faith, something that God requires if a person will be saved. How do you break this news gently, say, to a friend? I say this to encourage us to not leave it out if we find that it's unpleasant. A person who professes faith without exercising repentance may find himself with an empty profession. We may not want to give someone a false assurance of salvation. And yet, I say, the word "Repent" seems harsh. How do you present it? Peter seems to be saying in Acts 3 (Note verse 26) that God is turning us to himself. Yes, the very thing he is asking us to do, he is helping us to do. The Old Testament saints seem to have understood this as they prayed "Turn us again, O God" (See Psalm 80 and 85, for example). It occurs to me that when a person is willing to listen to the Gospel it shows the Holy Spirit is inclining his heart away from sin and toward God. We might ask the sinner to recognize this, to be thankful for it, and to cooperate with it. |
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73 | What is the exceeding sinfulness of sin? | Rom 7:13 | Aixen7z4 | 125183 | ||
I thought of asking, “What is so bad about sin?” but I felt that some would not understand. They might think that the intent here was to trivialize sin, when the intent is quite the opposite. Nor does it bring out the full meaning, to say that sin is a bad thing. Paul says (Romans 7:13) that sin can be exceedingly sinful. That wording seems to be effective. Ray Comfort emphasizes the fact that people will not understand what it means to be saved until they understand what sin is. And in some sense it is sin that we are saved from. “Thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21). “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins” (Act 10:43). The fact of sin should be emphasized, and Comfort often uses the Ten Commandments to prove the point. People come to accept the fact that they have sinned. All have sinned. Yet that very fact will lead some to say they are only normal, or human. But sin is a very bad thing, and Paul says the Law brings out the fact. But what makes sin such a bad thing? It is my hope that we discuss that here and expose the malignity and wickedness of sin. Perhaps it will help a unsaved to better understand his need of salvation. Perhaps it will help a believer to stay farther away from sin. |
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74 | How high is your self-esteem? | Rom 12:3 | Aixen7z4 | 97596 | ||
It's hard to know what to think. For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. So what do we do? We would like to serve. We would like to feel fulfilled. We would like to use our gifts for the benefit of others. But even as we attempt to do so we are aware that some will accept us and some will not. It will affect our self-esteem. We dare not be proud, because we have learned that God resists the proud. We must be clothed with humility. And yet we are told that we are the sons of God. As believers in the Lord Jesus Christ we are, each of us, the child of a king. A royal priesthood. He has made us kings and priests to God. Yet, you see your calling, brethren that God has chosen the weak things, the base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not. No flesh should glory in his presence. There is no boasting. Our salvation is not of ourselves. It is a gift of God. Our spiritual gift is a gift from God. That's why it is called a gift. What do you have that you did not receive? If you received it, why do you boast about it? If you are different, isn't it because God has made you different? Yet it has been said that there are three versions of you: 1. What you think of yourself. 2. What others think of you. 3. What you really are. Some of us have very low self-esteem, based in part on what others have said of us. But is that not an affront to God? Some of us think very highly of ourselves. But what if it is too high? What if it equals pride? Some of us have yet to learn what God has built into us. Yet this latter seems to be the focus of the scripture saying that we should think soberly. We should recognize and accept what God has made us. How high then should be your self-esteem? |
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75 | How do I (you, we) come across? | Rom 12:3 | Aixen7z4 | 97625 | ||
I agree. So now please tell us: How high is your self-esteem? Do you think of yourself as a king or as a servant? Do you combine them both? And then what do you get? Romans 12:3 is in the context of fitting into the body, the church. Does it not matter then, how you come across to people? The question has the serious goal of helping us to have a proper self-concept and to carry ourselves accordingly. |
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76 | How high? How low? How? | Rom 12:3 | Aixen7z4 | 97688 | ||
Ah, EdB, you make it sound so easy. Part of my motivation for asking the question was a conversation I had with a client yesterday afternoon. She confided that she has been saved for 12 years. And yet, up to this point she has thought of herself as worthless. The fact that she was abused as a child and also in her marriage has something to do with it. It is apparent that some of our brethren are like that sister was, walking around with low self-esteem. Others are haughty, arrogant, even proud. Some answer the telephone with, "Can I help you", giving the impression they are only here on this earth to give help. So I guess I think the matter is not quite that simple. And I should have known. Why did Paul think it necessary to "say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think"? It seems to me that some think too highly and some think too lowly. Or am I wrong about that? |
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77 | And not so low that ...? | Rom 12:3 | Aixen7z4 | 97839 | ||
Yes! And on the other hand, not so low that ...? | ||||||
78 | What do you like about the ... church? | 1 Cor 3:22 | Aixen7z4 | 95694 | ||
It will be difficult for you to participate in this discussion if you are predisposed to be critical. It is easier for many people to find the faults in others. However, we may find that there is some good in every corner of the church. If f we criticise every system that we see, then the sum of it all may be that we nullify ourselves. If we look for the good everywhere and seek to incrporate it in our own lives, then we may maximize the chances of improving ourselves. A wise man has said, "Don't look for the flaws as you go through life, and even when you find them, it is often kind to be somewhat blind, and to look for the virtues behind them". I wonder if he got the idea from James who said, (Jas 4:11) "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge". I cannot recall a scripture which says we should look for the good in others. But if one carries and reads and tries to practice the word of God, there must be something that they do right. No comment need be taken to indicate that one approves of a denomination as a whole. On the other hand, no one should be offended by the question or take it to suggest that there is very little right with that system. But I would like to see what we appreciate about each other. So let's say this thread is all about positive things. whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. What do you think is good and praiseworthy in say, the Roman Catholic Church? |
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79 | Aren't those parts good? | 1 Cor 3:22 | Aixen7z4 | 95730 | ||
I thought of the decency and order in their meetings. Is that not good? (See 1Co 14:40). I thought of the piety and devotion that leads them to sometimes lead monastic lives. Is that not good? (See Luke 9:23). I thought of their submission to authority. Is that not good? (See Hebrews 13;7,17). I would hope that we would not have to give up ideals such as the priesthood of all believers (1Pe 2:9), the need to work (2Th 3:12), or the need to also follow Christ (1Co 11:1) in order to emulate those. |
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80 | What can we learn from the Baptists? | 1 Cor 3:22 | Aixen7z4 | 95790 | ||
What do you think is good and praiseworthy in the Baptist Church? What are some of the ways they follow the scriptures, and what are some of the things we can learn from them? |
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